Trump asked how he will make Mexico pay for his wall...

[Sovereign Nation]

Whether or not he will build the wall isn't what I find interesting.

What I find interesting is all of the people that say they will flee the country if Trump is elected seem to think that Mexico isn't an option for some reason. They all seem to want to flee to Canada.

[Benton]

(03-11-2016, 09:43 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: 1k? Apparently you haven't gone thru the process. My wife and i paid a minimum of 2300 and had to wait amost 5 total years. Then n-400 costs 1,040 by itself. Then there is the visa that you use, and i29f and finally the usc application. 

Doubling the price seems fair to me since they wont have as long to wait.

Maybe we should charge 1k for every year they were here illegally? 

Your last comment blows my freaking mind. 
First, you complain about people being deported.
Now you don't want to give them a path to legal citizenship......
Make up your mind.

You know as well as I do that any path to USC staus is going to involve money. Take their money, use it to improve the US and to pay for deporting people we don't want here. Just get it over with.

no, I've never gone through the process. The grand comment based off what I've been told by others who have. Yours was considerably higher, so using that number, it's closer to $8k? I don't think the majority of illegal immigrants can come up with $8k very quickly.

as far ad the rest, I think you have me confused with someone. I've never complained about deporting people here illegally. I'm in favor of that. U.s. Citizenship is something special, it shouldn't be something you get just because our lawmakers failed to fund immigration controls or because you crossed an invisible line. What I've said time and again is that a wall won't fix the problem, the only way to do so is to fund enforcement of existing penalties for employers who hire illegal workers.

[fredtoast]

(03-11-2016, 09:43 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: 1k? Apparently you haven't gone thru the process. My wife and i paid a minimum of 2300 and had to wait amost 5 total years. Then n-400 costs 1,040 by itself. Then there is the visa that you use, and i29f and finally the usc application. 

Doubling the price seems fair to me since they wont have as long to wait.

So it cost $2300 now and these people are not paying, but if we raise it to $5000 they will?

[StLucieBengal]

(03-11-2016, 09:43 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: 1k? Apparently you haven't gone thru the process. My wife and i paid a minimum of 2300 and had to wait amost 5 total years. Then n-400 costs 1,040 by itself. Then there is the visa that you use, and i29f and finally the usc application. 

Doubling the price seems fair to me since they wont have as long to wait.

Maybe we should charge 1k for every year they were here illegally? 

Your last comment blows my freaking mind. 
First, you complain about people being deported.
Now you don't want to give them a path to legal citizenship......
Make up your mind.

You know as well as I do that any path to USC staus is going to involve money. Take their money, use it to improve the US and to pay for deporting people we don't want here. Just get it over with.

I wish it only cost 1k haha

[StLucieBengal]

(03-13-2016, 12:12 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So it cost $2300 now and these people are not paying, but if we raise it to $5 they will?

The only way they will start paying is if we start rounding them up. Which really we should be doing to the criminals. We need them gone anyway.

They could also make it so you can only get services if you have a US passport. This means enrolling kids into school. At some point we need to make life uncomfortable so they have incentive to pay.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(03-13-2016, 12:12 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So it cost $2300 now and these people are not paying, but if we raise it to $5 they will?

Wow, dippy, if they are here illegally, then they can't apply to become a USC (marriage to a USC is the only option they would have to become a USC, and even then, the US might make them return home for the process).
 
If there is a path open to them, then yes, you bet they will save up for it.

[*Nately120*]

(03-12-2016, 01:28 AM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: Whether or not he will build the wall isn't what I find interesting.

What I find interesting is all of the people that say they will flee the country if Trump is elected seem to think that Mexico isn't an option for some reason.  They all seem to want to flee to Canada.  

They don't have a giant wall built along the border, so I really can't think of any conceivable reason why they simply wouldn't be overrun by American refugees.

[GMDino]

I'll add this story here as it relates to Drumpf's ability to actually get things done...at all.

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2068227_2068229_2068223,00.html

Top 10 Donald Trump Failures

Donald Trump is very proud of himself for forcing President Obama to release his birth certificate, ending the debate over whether he was legally fit to lead the country. But not everything the Donald has put his name behind has succeeded. TIME takes a look at some gambles that went bust


Trump Airlines

Quote:In October 1988, Donald Trump threw his wallet into the airline business by purchasing Eastern Air Shuttle, a service that for 27 years had run hourly flights between Boston, New York City and Washington, D.C. For roughly $365 million, Trump got a fleet of 17 Boeing 727s, landing facilities in each of the three cities and the right to paint his name on an airplane. Trump pushed to give the airline the Trump touch, making the previously no-muss, no-fuss shuttle service into a luxury experience. To this end, he added maple-wood veneer to the floors, chrome seat-belt latches and gold-colored bathroom fixtures. But his gamble was a bust. A lack of increased interest from customers (who favored the airline for its convenience not its fancy new look) combined with high pre–Gulf War fuel prices meant the shuttle never turned a profit. The high debt forced Trump to default on his loans, and ownership of the company was turned over to creditors. The Trump Shuttle ceased to exist in 1992 when it was merged into a new corporation, Shuttle Inc. No word on whether the gold-plated faucets survived the merger.

Trump Vodka

Quote:The Donald had a vodka. Trump vodka (labeled super premium, naturally) was introduced in 2006 to much fanfare. Under the slogan "Success Distilled," the liquor was touted as the "epitome of vodka" that would "demand the same respect and inspire the same awe as the international legacy and brand of Donald Trump himself." At the time, Trump predicted the T&T (Trump and Tonic) would become the most requested drink in America, surpassed only by the Trump Martini. On Larry King Live, he said he got into the vodka business to outdo his friends at Grey Goose. Six years later, Grey Goose is still on top shelves throughout the country. As for Trump vodka? Yeah, we'd never heard of it either. The New York City blog Gothamist reports the vodka has stopped production "because the company failed to meet the threshold requirements." Two weeks ago, Trump's company filed an injunction to prevent an Israeli company from selling Trump vodka without his consent or authorization. Meaning the Donald stopped the only people in world who wanted to drink his vodka from doing so.

The Bankruptcies

Quote:"I don't like the B word," Donald Trump said in 2010 while testifying in a New Jersey bankruptcy courtroom about his gambling company, Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc., which had filed for bankruptcy for the third time. Given the number of times Trump has flirted with bankruptcy, you'd think he'd be used to that word by now.

In 1990, the banking institutions that backed his real estate investments had to bail him out with a $65 million "rescue package" that contained new loans and credit. But it wasn't enough, and nine months later the famous developer was nearly $4 billion in debt. He didn't declare personal bankruptcy, although his famous Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, N.J., did have to file for it (bondholders ended up taking a 50% stake in the investment). Trump's economic troubles continued through the early '90s, while he was personally leveraged to nearly $1 billion. In 2004, Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts also filed for bankruptcy. The company was only a small portion of Trump's real estate empire, but he did still have to personally cough up $72 million to keep it afloat. In 2009, the same company (by then renamed Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc.) filed for bankruptcy again. Yet during all of this, no one ever told Trump, "You're fired!" Probably because no one could.

Trump Mortgage

Quote:In April 2006, Trump announced that, after years in the real estate business, he was launching a mortgage company. He held a glitzy press conference at which his son Donald Jr. predicted that Trump Mortgage would soon be the nation's No. 1 home-loan lender. Trump told CNBC, "Who knows more about financing than me?" Apparently, plenty. Within a year and a half, Trump Mortgage had closed shop. The would-be lending powerhouse was done in by timing (the housing market cratered in 2007) and ironically enough, given Trump's Apprentice TV show, poor hiring. The executive Trump selected to run his loan company, E.J. Ridings, claimed to have been a top executive at a prestigious investment bank. In reality, Ridings' highest role on Wall Street was as a registered broker, a position he held for a mere six days.

Trump: The Game

Quote:In 1989, the Donald teamed up with Milton Bradley to release Trump: The Game, a Monopolyesque board game in which three to four players must buy and sell real estate and try to trump one another in business deals. A year later Trump admitted the game was vastly underselling the predicted 2 million units he and the toy company had hoped for. Not one to abandon ridiculous ideas, Trump revived the game 15 years later after his success on The Apprentice, making sure to incorporate the series catchphrase "You're fired!" into the game. Other updated features included a sterner-looking Trump on the box cover, somewhat simpler rules and cards with business tips. Enduring feature? The considerable tack factor of a Donald Trump board game.

The China Connection

Quote:"The problem with our country is we don't manufacture anything anymore," Donald Trump told Fox News a year ago. "The stuff that's been sent over from China," he complained, "falls apart after a year and a half. It's crap." That very same Donald Trump has his own line of clothing, and it's made in ... China. (O.K., O.K. — not all of it. Salon, which reported this intriguing, head-scratching fact, notes that some of his apparel is from Mexico and Bangladesh.)

Trump Casinos

Quote:Donald Trump's gambles don't always go as planned. Especially when that gamble is gambling itself. In February 2009, Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc. filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection for the third time in a row — an extremely rare feat in American business. The casino company, founded in the 1980s, runs the Taj Mahal, the Trump Plaza and the Trump Marina. All three casinos are located in Atlantic City, N.J., where the gambling industry has faced a decline in tourists who prefer gambling in Pennsylvania and Connecticut instead. Trump defended himself by distancing himself from the company, though he owned 28% of its stock. "Other than the fact that it has my name on it — which I'm not thrilled about — I have nothing to do with the company," he said. He resigned from Trump Entertainment soon after that third filing, and in August of that year he, along with an affiliate of Beal Bank Nevada, agreed to buy the company for $100 million. The company reported it emerged from bankruptcy in July 2010.

And lastly the one that ties in with his military threats.




The Middle East 'Policy'

Quote:When recently discussing oil prices on air with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, Donald Trump blustered on about the scheming malfeasance of OPEC and the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Trump insisted the U.S. could leverage its military supremacy to persuade OPEC to lower prices. In his words: "I'm going to look 'em in the eye and say, 'Fellas, you'd have your fun. Your fun is over.'" But this rather naive suggestion of bullying one of the U.S.'s most longstanding and essential allies in the Middle East — not to mention the recent customer in a megabillion-dollar U.S. weapons sale that would create tens of thousands of American jobs — was comparatively harmless when set against his next suggestion. Trump bemoaned U.S. costs sustained during its wars in the Middle East and floated the idea of "taking" Iraqi oil. Stephanopoulos countered incredulously, "So, we steal an oil field?" Trump responded, "Excuse me. You're not stealing anything. You're taking — we're reimbursing ourselves." Given how many U.S. leaders have had to stress to their Middle East interlocutors that they're not in it simply for the oil, Trump would be starting off regional relations on pretty slippery ground.

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(03-13-2016, 12:12 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So it cost $2300 now and these people are not paying, but if we raise it to $5 they will?

I'm not sure that would be raising it.

[Benton]

(03-23-2016, 01:54 PM)GMDino Wrote: I'll add this story here as it relates to Drumpf's ability to actually get things done...at all.

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2068227_2068229_2068223,00.html
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The Middle East 'Policy'

Our consumers need cheaper oil? We'll just spend a couple trillion taking it!

[JustWinBaby]

(03-14-2016, 12:36 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: If there is a path open to them, then yes, you bet they will save up for it.

How much do the undocumented illegals pay smugglers to sneak them in?