GOD COPS: NEW MOTTO GRACES POLICE CARS

[BonnieBengal]

(07-26-2015, 01:21 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: Oh, Jesus Herbert Christ, liberals are not going to ban your books.  Remove the tinfoil hat and stop with the ridiculous statements.

Are you telling me you didn't see all the calls to ban Gone with the Wind after the Charleston shooting?  It was tied in with the Confederate Flag bannings.  

Here's an article about the attack on Gone with the Wind movie and book.  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3140256/Should-Gone-Wind-banned-Anger-confederate-symbols-turns-classic-movie-writer-tweeting-original-book-line-line-gets-shunned.html 

Yes there is racism in the book and movie.  But our past is our past.  We can't ban books and pretend it didn't happen.

And here's an article about classic books being dropped from the Common Core education curriculum in favor of instructional manuals on plants and insulation. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/9729383/Catcher-in-the-Rye-dropped-from-US-school-curriculum.html

[Johnny Cupcakes]

(07-26-2015, 01:30 PM)bfine32 Wrote: There is perhaps no more misused phrase than this and this is another example of such. Folks even think this is in the Constitution; it was simply a statement uttered by Thomas Jefferson, but that is an entirely different discussion.

I'm not saying it's a constitutional law.  I just said that I was for it. The closest that the constitution gets are the establishment and free-exercise clauses.  

Regardless of whether it's an idea that was in the constitution or introduced 20 minutes ago, I support it.  This country needs a complete separation of church and state.

[GMDino]

(07-26-2015, 01:33 PM)BonnieBengal Wrote: Are you telling me you didn't see all the calls to ban Gone with the Wind after the Charleston shooting?  It was tied in with the Confederate Flag bannings.  

Here's an article about the attack on Gone with the Wind movie and book.  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3140256/Should-Gone-Wind-banned-Anger-confederate-symbols-turns-classic-movie-writer-tweeting-original-book-line-line-gets-shunned.html 

Yes there is racism in the book and movie.  But our past is our past.  We can't ban books and pretend it didn't happen.

And here's an article about classic books being dropped from the Common Core education curriculum in favor of instructional manuals on plants and insulation.  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/9729383/Catcher-in-the-Rye-dropped-from-US-school-curriculum.html

Pointing out the racism in the book and movie and suggesting we shouldn't revere it as it has been for that reason is not book burning or calling for a ban.

It is discussing how history was portrayed and how we look back from almost 80 years later and realize it was a bad time.

Here's the article where the film is discussed.

http://nypost.com/2015/06/24/gone-with-the-wind-should-go-the-way-of-the-confederate-flag/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow


Not one word about banning it.  None.

[Johnny Cupcakes]

(07-26-2015, 01:33 PM)BonnieBengal Wrote: Are you telling me you didn't see all the calls to ban Gone with the Wind after the Charleston shooting?  It was tied in with the Confederate Flag bannings.  

Here's an article about the attack on Gone with the Wind movie and book.  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3140256/Should-Gone-Wind-banned-Anger-confederate-symbols-turns-classic-movie-writer-tweeting-original-book-line-line-gets-shunned.html 

Yes there is racism in the book and movie.  But our past is our past.  We can't ban books and pretend it didn't happen.

And here's an article about classic books being dropped from the Common Core education curriculum in favor of instructional manuals on plants and insulation.  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/9729383/Catcher-in-the-Rye-dropped-from-US-school-curriculum.html

Ha....you have shown that a single (one) movie critic thinks that the MOVIE "gone with the wind" should be banned.  Your second link has more to do with educational standards and what children should be taught.  It says nothing about these books being "banned for being offensive" but rather being "replaced with something of more educational value".

Can you reach any farther?

[BonnieBengal]

(07-26-2015, 01:40 PM)GMDino Wrote: Pointing out the racism in the book and movie and suggesting we shouldn't revere it as it has been for that reason is not book burning or calling for a ban.

It is discussing how history was portrayed and how we look back from almost 80 years later and realize it was a bad time.

Here's the article where the film is discussed.

http://nypost.com/2015/06/24/gone-with-the-wind-should-go-the-way-of-the-confederate-flag/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow


Not one word about banning it.  None.

I've already read that article and the title itself says it should "go the way of the confederate flag."  The article itself talks about banning it from cinemas.  

[GMDino]

(07-26-2015, 01:45 PM)BonnieBengal Wrote: I've already read that article and the title itself says it should "go the way of the confederate flag."  The article itself talks about banning it from cinemas.  

He says the flag has gone the way of only being in museums.

Quote:If the Confederate flag is finally going to be consigned to museums as an ugly symbol of racism, what about the beloved film offering the most iconic glimpse of that flag in American culture?

I’m talking, of course, about “Gone with the Wind,’’ which won a then-record eight Academy Awards, including Best Picture of 1939, and still ranks as the all-time North American box-office champ with $1.6 billion worth of tickets sold here when adjusted for inflation.


Fred Crane (from left), Vivien Leigh and George Reeves in the 1939 classic “Gone with the Wind.”Photo: Everett Collection

True, “Gone with the Wind’’ isn’t as blatantly and virulently racist as D.W. Griffith’s “Birth of a Nation,’’ which was considered one of the greatest American movies as late as the early 1960s, but is now rarely screened, even in museums.

...


That studio sent “Gone with the Wind’’ back into theaters for its 75th anniversary in partnership with its sister company Turner Classic Movies in 2014, but I have a feeling the movie’s days as a cash cow are numbered. It’s showing on July 4 at the Museum of Modern Art as part of the museum’s salute to the 100th anniversary of Technicolor — and maybe that’s where this much-loved but undeniably racist artifact really belongs.

This isn't demanding it get banned...its not calling for burning of all copies.

Quit exaggerating.

[RoyleRedlegs]

When John Kasich tried to get Fargo pulled from Blockbuster shelves.

[BonnieBengal]

(07-26-2015, 01:49 PM)GMDino Wrote: He says the flag has gone the way of only being in museums.



This isn't demanding it get banned...its not calling for burning of all copies.

Quit exaggerating.

And you quit quibbling.  Whether you keep it from the public by burning it or by putting it basically out of reach as you say by "only being in museums," what's the difference?  

[GMDino]

(07-26-2015, 01:58 PM)BonnieBengal Wrote: And you quit quibbling.  Whether you keep it from the public by burning it or by putting it basically out of reach as you say by "only being in museums," what's the difference?  

uh, one is out to destroy any evidence it ever existed.  The other allows for people to see it in context.

And not for nothing it HASN'T been banned.  Its one article from a film critic who correctly points to how the message in the film does not resonate with today's society.

[*bfine32*]

(07-26-2015, 01:38 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: I'm not saying it's a constitutional law.  I just said that I was for it. The closest that the constitution gets are the establishment and free-exercise clauses.  

Regardless of whether it's an idea that was in the constitution or introduced 20 minutes ago, I support it.  This country needs a complete separation of church and state.

So the sticker does bother you.

Remember your statement about honesty to Bonnie

[Johnny Cupcakes]

(07-26-2015, 02:09 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So the sticker does bother you.

Remember your statement about honesty to Bonnie

Yes, it bothers me that there is no separation of church and state.  I've said that all along.  Does it hurt my feelings personally?  No...I'm not offended by it, as it's harmless, for the most part.  Unlike Bonnie though, I don't really care if you feel that I'm being honest with you or not, as reasoning with you will not change your mind.

[BonnieBengal]

(07-26-2015, 02:07 PM)GMDino Wrote: uh, one is out to destroy any evidence it ever existed.  The other allows for people to see it in context.

In whose context?  Why, the people in control of it in museums.  If the public can't easily access something and it's in control of the government, it's essentially banned.

[*bfine32*]

So the Confederate Flag and Gone With the Wind in museums only?

It appears Ms POTUS was right.

[GMDino]

(07-26-2015, 04:31 PM)BonnieBengal Wrote: In whose context?  Why, the people in control of it in museums.  If the public can't easily access something and it's in control of the government, it's essentially banned.

In the context of a book and movie from the 30's looks and sounds very racist with the world view of the 21st century.  Just as we no longer look fondly at performers in black face.

But nonetheless no one said ban it or burn it.  

You made that up in your mind because someone even questioned whether, in the context of history, the film is relevant anymore.

Would you provide the same defense to "Birth of a Nation"?  

[fredtoast]

(07-26-2015, 01:13 PM)BonnieBengal Wrote: Nobody is excluded from protection.  No matter what is on the car.  

Actually they give the impression that they are favoring Christians over others.

How do you think a Muslim feels when he has been in a dispute with a Christian and the "God cops" show up?  Even if the cop is acting fairly it does not appear that way based on the sticker on his car.

Would you feel that you were getting a fair trial if the judge was the brother of the person who was suing you?  if you say "yes" then you are a liar.  There are strict rules about "conflicts of interest" that public servants have to avoid.  And all of these laws are based on an "appearance of bias", because it is often difficult to prove actual bias.

It is ridiculous for a police department to chose sides on religious issues, and it gives a very strong appearance of bias.

What if you were a black person and a cop car rolled up with a "White Power" sticker on it?

[*bfine32*]

(07-26-2015, 10:50 PM)fredtoast Wrote: How do you think a Muslim feels when he has been in a dispute with a Christian and the "God cops" show up? 

Pretty sure Muslims believe in God. 

[BonnieBengal]

(07-26-2015, 10:50 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Actually they give the impression that they are favoring Christians over others.

How do you think a Muslim feels when he has been in a dispute with a Christian and the "God cops" show up?  Even if the cop is acting fairly it does not appear that way based on the sticker on his car.

Would you feel that you were getting a fair trial if the judge was the brother of the person who was suing you?  if you say "yes" then you are a liar.  There are strict rules about "conflicts of interest" that public servants have to avoid.  And all of these laws are based on an "appearance of bias", because it is often difficult to prove actual bias.

It is ridiculous for a police department to chose sides on religious issues, and it gives a very strong appearance of bias.

What if you were a black person and a cop car rolled up with a "White Power" sticker on it?

It says "In God We Trust," not "In Christ We Trust," so you can't say it favors Christians.  I don't think a Muslim would be bothered by an In God We Trust sign.   Your other arguments are not comparable.  In God We Trust is not racism or nepotism.  

[fredtoast]

(07-26-2015, 04:31 PM)BonnieBengal Wrote: In whose context?  Why, the people in control of it in museums.  If the public can't easily access something and it's in control of the government, it's essentially banned.

No it is not "essentially banned".

There are no laws banning it.  Even if theaters chose to stop showing it that would be a financial decision, not because of any law.  And it would still be available to anyone who wanted to see it.

There are no longer any big screen porno theaters in the area where I live, but that does not mean porno has been banned.  And there will always be plenty of people selling confederate flags.

Stop trying to play the victim card.

[fredtoast]

(07-26-2015, 10:57 PM)BonnieBengal Wrote: It says "In God We Trust," not "In Christ We Trust," so you can't say it favors Christians.  I don't think a Muslim would be bothered by an In God We Trust sign.   Your other arguments are not comparable.  In God We Trust is not racism or nepotism.  

If you are seriously trying to claim that the "In God We Trust" motto is not referring directly to the Christian God then you are either completely ignorant of U.S. history or a big liar like Johhny claimed.

So which is it?

[*bfine32*]

(07-26-2015, 11:03 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If you are seriously trying to claim that the "In God We Trust" motto is not referring directly to the Christian God

What is the difference between the "Christian God" and the 'Muslim God"?