Health Care Reform

[BmorePat87]

It’s been two weeks since Trump told Chris Wallace that there’d be a “full and complete health care plan” released “within 2 weeks”. Like his previous claims on having a health care plan, this promise was unfulfilled.

4 years in with no plan from his administration, just orders dismantling the ACA, causing 7 million more uninsured, what reform do you want to see in the health care system?

What’s the biggest move that needs to be made?

[Benton]

(08-02-2020, 02:59 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: It’s been two weeks since Trump told Chris Wallace that there’d be a “full and complete health care plan” released “within 2 weeks”. Like his previous claims on having a health care plan, this promise was unfulfilled.

4 years in with no plan from his administration, just orders dismantling the ACA, causing 7 million more uninsured, what reform do you want to see in the health care system?

What’s the biggest move that needs to be made?

Basic affordable insurance is the biggest thing. It's a huge obstacle for those working multiple part time jobs and small business owners. I said recently in another post, it's one of the biggest obstacles for people looking to start a business.

It wouldn't drive out insurance for profit as it exists today. Employers could still offer plans to supplement and expand the basic coverage.

Drug price regulations also need to be overhauled. I'm ok with patent laws, but price gouging needs to be addressed (capped).

[BrownAssClown]

There's no plan and I don't believe there's going to be one. I remember when Obama, in his first term, called a round table discussion with the Republicans and ask for their input on his plan, McConnell had his arms folded and didn't say a word. They had no plan then and have no plan now. Later, when Republicans tried to repeal the ACA, a dying John McCain knew they had no plan and gave Mitch the big 'ol thumbs down. The ACA is not perfect by no means, but instead of trying to fix it, the Republicans have been trying to kill it since the beginning. I guess they think 47 million Americans with no health insurance wasn't a problem, that or they're in the pocket of the big insurance companies. To Trumps credit, he did just sign an executive order to get the cost of prescription drugs down, it's an election year, so he's trying to throw the dog a bone. "Gentleman! We have to protect our "phoney-baloney" jobs!"

[*jason*]

(08-02-2020, 03:30 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: There's no plan and I don't believe there's going to be one. I remember when Obama, in his first term, called a round table discussion with the Republicans and ask for their input on his plan, McConnell had his arms folded and didn't say a word. They had no plan then and have no plan now. Later, when Republicans tried to repeal the ACA, a dying John McCain knew they had no plan and gave Mitch the big 'ol thumbs down. The ACA is not perfect by no means, but instead of trying to fix it, the Republicans have been trying to kill it since the beginning. I guess they think 47 million Americans with no health insurance wasn't a problem, that or they're in the pocket of the big insurance companies. To Trumps credit, he did just sign an executive order to get the cost of prescription drugs down, it's an election year, so he's trying to throw the dog a bone. "Gentleman! We have to protect our "phoney-baloney" jobs!"

I'm surprised he even did that with the prescription drugs... Hydroxychloriquine is cheap.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

Finally, a topic conservatives can contribute to in order to provide balance to this subforum.

[NATI BENGALS]

Eliminate private health insurance. Health workers and researchers deserve to be paid well. Cut out the middle man and the mega million executive bonuses we pay and give that money to the people who deserve it.


Oh and a new mandatory 2 years of service for 18 year olds. Army navy national guard marine corps Air Force space force border patrol and health force. Your choice if you score high enough

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

https://youtu.be/hBO6QXretrE

[*jason*]

(08-02-2020, 06:34 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Eliminate private health insurance. Health workers and researchers deserve to be paid well. Cut out the middle man and the mega million executive bonuses we pay and give that money to the people who deserve it.


Oh and a new mandatory 2 years of service for 18 year olds. Army navy national guard marine corps Air Force space force border patrol and health force. Your choice if you score high enough

What's the purpose of the conscription?

I just want universal healthcare like all the non "shit hole" countries have... Figure it out.

[NATI BENGALS]

(08-03-2020, 12:18 AM)jason Wrote: What's the purpose of the conscription?

I just want universal healthcare like all the non "shit hole" countries have... Figure it out.

Current events. I consider myself a version of a nationalist and I feel like we are stupidly weak right now.

This is just a virus from our planet actively screwing our brains out. Pushing our health care capabilities to the limit. Interplanetary travel will have more dangerous bio-threats presumably. Human existence will require interplanetary travel eventually. Forced service doesn't have to be about fighting and destruction it can be about helping and healing. 

Thanks to the current administration patriotism is at an all time low in my lifetime. This is the greatest country our world has ever known. That must be restored. A self serving, draft dodging, narcissistic, conman is prez. If the next generation follows in those footsteps our country will no longer exist. 

Oh and there are a lot of old poopy butts out there that need wiped and people that need taken care of. Tasks that top health care workers shouldn't be responsible for because their talents/time is needed for more intellectually challenging events.

[NATI BENGALS]

(08-03-2020, 12:03 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: https://youtu.be/hBO6QXretrE

You have to at least tell me what it is before I click on it

[*Nately120*]

(08-03-2020, 01:29 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: You have to at least tell me what it is before I click on it

Hopefully it's a pic of his ding dong and/or a video of that guy who looks like Andy Dalton singing about not giving me up.

[Dill]

(08-02-2020, 02:59 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: It’s been two weeks since Trump told Chris Wallace that there’d be a “full and complete health care plan” released “within 2 weeks”. Like his previous claims on having a health care plan, this promise was unfulfilled.

4 years in with no plan from his administration, just orders dismantling the ACA, causing 7 million more uninsured, what reform do you want to see in the health care system?

What’s the biggest move that needs to be made?

There are two:

1. Elect Biden in November.

2. Return control of the Senate to the Democrats.

When that is done, probably the only realistic possibility for the moment is to tweak Obamacare into a system which functions nationally.

The public debate needs more clearly articulated alternatives. Any Dem politician with a platform needs to be discussing a two-tier system like Germany's or a Statutory Health Insurance System like Japan's. Both countries have universal coverage, but don't make government the "single payer." Neither are "socialist." (Not that "socialist" is bad--just not likely to get votes in a still very "anti-Communist" and disinformed US.)

But back to 1 and 2: nothing positive will happen at all regarding healthcare if the party of NO controls any part of the legislative and exec branches. Get people who actually WANT to govern in office.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(08-03-2020, 01:29 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: You have to at least tell me what it is before I click on it

It’s malware so I can steal your identity.

[Goalpost]

Being retired is my perception. But I can tell you they really get you when you are retired. It's close to quadrupled what I used to pay.

All I really want is people to spell it out and not politicize it. I don't want pork in any bills. I appreciate Obama tried to do something with it, but just be honest about it. Obama care meant that my deposits went up and my allowable visits went down. And the jerk who wrote it got muzzled after he said everyone was too dumb to read it. It is easy to say, like Bernie did...everyone should get it free...but then not fully explain how it's paid for. So I don't want to sound cruel or anything but we cant just open borders and give it free to people...i'd rather that money goes to the needy people in our own country.

[treee]

I just don't want to deal with any billing. Why cant we just get the healthcare we need without deductibles and copays and all that? Why cant people just go to the doctor? Why all the red tape?

[Dill]

(08-03-2020, 03:10 PM)treee Wrote: I just don't want to deal with any billing. Why cant we just get the healthcare we need without deductibles and copays and all that? Why cant people just go to the doctor? Why all the red tape?

When I lived in Germany there was ALMOST no billing. Everything went to the insurance company, which never rejected anything. We just called the doctor and made an appoint. Never saw the bill . . .

. . . One exception--for hospitals stays, we got a separate bill for roughly $2.50 a night. Our co pay, I guess. 

Easy to figure out why there is billing in the US if it helps ins. companies to "select" whether and what to pay for.  It's another layer of bureaucracy between doctor and patient. Also, many people won't fill out the paperwork if it is confusing and troublesome, so it is meant to be that.

[Dill]

(08-03-2020, 02:50 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Being retired is my perception.  But I can tell you they really get you when you are retired.  It's close to quadrupled what I used to pay.

All I really want is people to spell it out and not politicize it.  I don't want pork in any bills.  I appreciate Obama tried to do something with it, but just be honest about it. Obama care meant that my deposits went up and my allowable visits went down.  And the jerk who wrote it got muzzled after he said everyone was too dumb to read it.  It is easy to say, like Bernie did...everyone should get it free...but then not fully explain how it's paid for.   So I don't want to sound cruel or anything but we cant just open borders and give it free to people...i'd rather that money goes to the needy people in our own country.

Could you explain that part a little more?  Just curious. I don't understand how this works.

Question addressed to anyone who knows and can give a specific example.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(08-03-2020, 02:50 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Being retired is my perception. But I can tell you they really get you when you are retired. It's close to quadrupled what I used to pay.

All I really want is people to spell it out and not politicize it. I don't want pork in any bills. I appreciate Obama tried to do something with it, but just be honest about it. Obama care meant that my deposits went up and my allowable visits went down. And the jerk who wrote it got muzzled after he said everyone was too dumb to read it. It is easy to say, like Bernie did...everyone should get it free...but then not fully explain how it's paid for. So I don't want to sound cruel or anything but we cant just open borders and give it free to people...i'd rather that money goes to the needy people in our own country.

Obamacare was meant to provide basic coverage as a safety net for the uninsured. It was never intended to replace employer sponsored health insurance or Medicare. At most, it tried to expand Medicaid so people could avoid Obamacare policies. But, most (if not all) Republican controlled states voted to block the Medicaid expansion. Apparently, Republicans would rather people have no health insurance rather than basic, minimal coverage.

[Goalpost]

(08-03-2020, 03:44 PM)Dill Wrote: Could you explain that part a little more?  Just curious. I don't understand how this works.

Question addressed to anyone who knows and can give a specific example.

So I guess I said deposit instead of deductible...so sorry for that confusion.  Let's say I have a hospital stay and it was 3000 dollars.  I have to pay a deductible and the rest is covered.  Let's say the deductible is 1000 that I have to pay and the rest insurance pays.  This is just one example, but deductibles went up when Obama care went into effect.  At least it did in my insurance and I worked for a major corporation with a big name insurance company.  
With the company I worked for we had meetings once a year called by human resources where we could change our coverage or keep the same coverage.  They...human resources....would go over the changes every year in the health plans..,again to us, the employees....to inform us.  That's what I remember.  We all came out of that meeting knowing our insurance had increased deductibles.  I also remember them explaining certain numbers of 'allowable' visits for certain health situations...let's say you were covered up to three a year for something...were now reduced to you were covered up to 2 now instead.  I just got the feeling that Obama care didn't raise my premium much...my monthly insurance out of my paycheck.....but when it came to using it.....that's where the price increase, or decreased benefits happened.  
That was my experience with it.  Obama care was made to cover those with no insurance partly...and the insurance companies weren't going to pickup the tab...so the increase in costs were hidden in reduced benefits to an average joe like me.  The monthly premium was mostly the same but I would have to pay more if something happened to me. 

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(08-03-2020, 05:23 PM)Goalpost Wrote: So I guess I said deposit instead of deductible...so sorry for that confusion.  Let's say I have a hospital stay and it was 3000 dollars.  I have to pay a deductible and the rest is covered.  Let's say the deductible is 1000 that I have to pay and the rest insurance pays.  This is just one example, but deductibles went up when Obama care went into effect.  At least it did in my insurance and I worked for a major corporation with a big name insurance company.  
With the company I worked for we had meetings once a year called by human resources where we could change our coverage or keep the same coverage.  They...human resources....would go over the changes every year in the health plans..,again to us, the employees....to inform us.  That's what I remember.  We all came out of that meeting knowing our insurance had increased deductibles.  I also remember them explaining certain numbers of 'allowable' visits for certain health situations...let's say you were covered up to three a year for something...were now reduced to you were covered up to 2 now instead.  I just got the feeling that Obama care didn't raise my premium much...my monthly insurance out of my paycheck.....but when it came to using it.....that's where the price increase, or decreased benefits happened.  
That was my experience with it.  Obama care was made to cover those with no insurance partly...and the insurance companies weren't going to pickup the tab...so the increase in costs were hidden in reduced benefits to an average joe like me.  The monthly premium was mostly the same but I would have to pay more if something happened to me. 

Health insurance companies were doing what you described decades before Obamacare and still are.