Hillary Clinton.... not a role model

[Rotobeast]

I'm just posting this for discussion.
It's a little heavy...lol

https://transformativespaces.org/2016/07/29/for-little-girls-inspired-by-hillary-clinton/

Quote:For Little Girls Inspired By Hillary Clinton

[/url]JULY 29, 2016 ~[url=https://transformativespaces.org/author/bullhorngirl/]KELLY HAYES


As an Indigenous woman who organizes in the hopes that both Black and Brown people might know greater freedom, safety and self determination, I am no fan of electoral politics. I’m a street level organizer and a direct action trainer. I see voting as an act of harm reduction, and even within that spectrum, I am very selective about how and when I engage with it. That said, I will not be hassling anyone on the left about their choices with regard to the upcoming presidential election. It’s not my area of organizing and I understand that there are hard questions in play. Do I want a Trump presidency? Of course not. Do I loathe Hillary Clinton? More than words can say. Do I understand why people would vote for her to keep Trump out of office? Absolutely.

I likewise understand why a great many people will find themselves unable to co-sign her presidency, regardless of how frightening they may find Donald Trump. While many call such abstention an act of privilege, most of the people I know who have stated that they simply cannot cast their lot with Hillary, no matter what, are people living in the margins who are simply unwilling to feel complicit in their own destruction, and the destruction of other marginalized people.
But I really do understand all sides of the to-vote-for-her-or-not debate. I truly do.
What I couldn’t stomach was waking up the morning after Hillary’s coronation at the Democratic National Convention to a wave of posts about how, despite her flaws, Hillary’s ascension was a victory for women everywhere. When I would correct the people who had composed such comments, reminding them that a victory for rich white women is not a victory for all women, I was told several times to think of all the little girls who may now believe that they too could be president one day.
Well, I have taken a moment to think about them, and I’d like to share what I might actually say to those little girls, if they were listening.
To all the little (white) girls who may now believe that they too could grow up to drone Brown people one day:
May you find better role models and aspirations.
Your country is anti-Black, anti-Indigenous and wages endless wars. A rich, cut throat woman who has committed countless crimes against marginalized people should not be the stuff your dreams are made of. You can be whatever you want to be, but my advice is to be kind and humane in your dealings with others, and to do all that you can to amplify the voices of those ground under by white supremacy — rather than trying to claw your way to the top of some electoral mountain.
You are probably too young right now to understand the harm Hillary Clinton has done to so many, both as a supporter of her husband’s policies when he was president, and as Secretary of State. You may even be shielded from these discussions, because many white liberal families make the mistake of believing that you shouldn’t understand racism at a young age, the way Black and Brown children are forced to.
But one thing you may soon understand is that when your textbook tells you about important milestones for women in the United States, they mean “white women.” You will one day read, for example, that “women” in the United States won the right to vote on August 18, 1920. Your grade school history books will lift up the names of white suffragettes who toiled to make that victory possible. But what they probably won’t mention is that those same suffragettes often invoked racist language to further their arguments, because the gains of white women in the US have often been made at the expense of Black and Brown people, just as Hillary’s gains are today.
As little girls, I hope you are being taught to dream big and beyond anything you’ve been told is possible. I hope you learn to ignore men who order you to smile and write off commercials that tell you to buy some lotion, hairspray or bra to “fix” everything about yourself. I hope you grow up strong, ready to defend yourself against the violence of rape culture and patriarchy. And I hope you grow up understanding that your worth is not altered by the pending coronation of a woman who will bring misery and death to so many who don’t look like you. Your potential is your own. You can do great things. And I hope that you will. Because we need you, and a better world needs you.
What the world doesn’t need is another Hillary Clinton.
And if you’re looking for heroes, there’s no shortage out there. One of them was named Berta Cáceres. You should look her up one day, and never forget the role that Hillary Clinton played in taking her from this world.

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[GMDino]

(08-01-2016, 02:06 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: I'm just posting this for discussion.
It's a little heavy...lol

https://transformativespaces.org/2016/07/29/for-little-girls-inspired-by-hillary-clinton/



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Seem fair to look at Clinton's place in history through the eyes of others who suffered a different fate due not to their gender but to the race.

[fredtoast]

Another person calling Hillary the devil without being able to give a specific example of what she has done that is so bad.

If her "crimes" are countless why not give an example?

And what gains by white women have come at the expense of black and brown people.

Empty rhetoric like this is a total waste of time.

[BengalHawk62]

I was at a parade this weekend where one of the floats was a "Bomb Hilary.  Hilary for prison.  '16"  They had a guy in a Hilary mask inside a "prison" and were handing out water balloons asking you to "bomb" Hilary in prison.  And people were going NUTS for this float. Lining up and hurling these water balloons towards 'her'.  It was at this moment that I became nervous for our future.  How are these nutjobs going to react if/when Hilary does get elected?        

[Belsnickel]

I always have disliked the idea of role models. I've never had one because I'm cynical. Everyone has faults. It's like when people get pissed about a professional athlete showing themselves to be morally bankrupt. They are a human being and human beings are flawed. Don't put people on a pedestal. Are their traits I like about certain people? Absolutely. Can I agree or disagree with someone on politics and still find things I like and dislike about them? Yep. Am I going to put any of these people up on a pedestal? Hell no.

I should take a moment to say, however, that I do expect people in the public light to act respectable. But I honestly expect it of everyone. I hold everyone to the same standards, including myself. Everyone falls short, though. That's life.

[NATI BENGALS]

(08-01-2016, 03:11 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: I was at a parade this weekend where one of the floats was a "Bomb Hilary.  Hilary for prison.  '16"  They had a guy in a Hilary mask inside a "prison" and were handing out water balloons asking you to "bomb" Hilary in prison.  And people were going NUTS for this float. Lining up and hurling these water balloons towards 'her'.  It was at this moment that I became nervous for our future.  How are these nutjobs going to react if/when Hilary does get elected?        

The same way they did with Obama. Call it a failed presidency from the day she is sworn in. And the obstructionist republicans will continue to contribute almost nothing but headaches for people trying to solve problems. 

Fear of the black man president spawned the Tea Party. I wonder what they will create to battle the white woman.

[Rotobeast]

(08-01-2016, 02:43 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Another person calling Hillary the devil without being able to give a specific example of what she has done that is so bad.

If her "crimes" are countless why not give an example?

And what gains by white women have come at the expense of black and brown people.

Empty rhetoric like this is a total waste of time.

We all know there's nothing solid, whether it be well hidden or fabricated by detractors.

Most are things like this....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/foreign-governments-gave-millions-to-foundation-while-clinton-was-at-state-dept/2015/02/25/31937c1e-bc3f-11e4-8668-4e7ba8439ca6_story.html

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[fredtoast]

(08-01-2016, 03:21 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: We all know there's nothing solid, whether it be well hidden or fabricated by detractors.

Most are things like this....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/foreign-governments-gave-millions-to-foundation-while-clinton-was-at-state-dept/2015/02/25/31937c1e-bc3f-11e4-8668-4e7ba8439ca6_story.html

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OMG!!!

The Clinton's run a charitable organization that spends billions of dollars to help the poor and needy?

What could be worse than that?

[Rotobeast]

(08-01-2016, 03:25 PM)fredtoast Wrote: OMG!!!

The Clinton's run a charitable organization that spends billions of dollars to help the poor and needy?

What could be worse than that?

The churches from which they pirated their "charitable" game plan ?


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[fredtoast]

I guarantee that the Clinton Foundation has done a million times more to help "black and brown people" than Kelly Hayes.

[fredtoast]

(08-01-2016, 03:29 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: The churches from which they pirated their "charitable" game plan ?

Maybe they based their charitable foundation on a private model like the Carnegie Foundation, the Pew Charitable Trusts, or the Rockefeller Foundation.

[*bfine32*]

(08-01-2016, 03:11 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: I was at a parade this weekend where one of the floats was a "Bomb Hilary.  Hilary for prison.  '16"  They had a guy in a Hilary mask inside a "prison" and were handing out water balloons asking you to "bomb" Hilary in prison.  And people were going NUTS for this float. Lining up and hurling these water balloons towards 'her'.  It was at this moment that I became nervous for our future.  How are these nutjobs going to react if/when Hilary does get elected?        

Sure water ballons and floats are scary, but the only cases of actual violence I have read about are those protesting Trump.

How are these nutjobs going to react if/when Trump does get elected?

[*michaelsean*]

(08-01-2016, 03:11 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: I was at a parade this weekend where one of the floats was a "Bomb Hilary.  Hilary for prison.  '16"  They had a guy in a Hilary mask inside a "prison" and were handing out water balloons asking you to "bomb" Hilary in prison.  And people were going NUTS for this float. Lining up and hurling these water balloons towards 'her'.  It was at this moment that I became nervous for our future.  How are these nutjobs going to react if/when Hilary does get elected?        

What parade was it? 

I imagine the nut jobs will act exactly the same as the ones you guys worried about 8 years ago.  

[*michaelsean*]

(08-01-2016, 03:17 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I always have disliked the idea of role models. I've never had one because I'm cynical. Everyone has faults. It's like when people get pissed about a professional athlete showing themselves to be morally bankrupt. They are a human being and human beings are flawed. Don't put people on a pedestal. Are their traits I like about certain people? Absolutely. Can I agree or disagree with someone on politics and still find things I like and dislike about them? Yep. Am I going to put any of these people up on a pedestal? Hell no.

I should take a moment to say, however, that I do expect people in the public light to act respectable. But I honestly expect it of everyone. I hold everyone to the same standards, including myself. Everyone falls short, though. That's life.

Nobody said role models are faultless or have to be on a pedestal, but if you admire someone and what they have achieved or how they have lived their life, there is nothing wrong with trying to do things as they did.  

[Belsnickel]

(08-01-2016, 04:14 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Nobody said role models are faultless or have to be on a pedestal, but if you admire someone and what they have achieved or how they have lived their life, there is nothing wrong with trying to do things as they did.  

I always understood the concept of role models to be someone you put on a pedestal.

[GMDino]

(08-01-2016, 03:17 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I always have disliked the idea of role models. I've never had one because I'm cynical. Everyone has faults. It's like when people get pissed about a professional athlete showing themselves to be morally bankrupt. They are a human being and human beings are flawed. Don't put people on a pedestal. Are their traits I like about certain people? Absolutely. Can I agree or disagree with someone on politics and still find things I like and dislike about them? Yep. Am I going to put any of these people up on a pedestal? Hell no.

I should take a moment to say, however, that I do expect people in the public light to act respectable. But I honestly expect it of everyone. I hold everyone to the same standards, including myself. Everyone falls short, though. That's life.

Really the only person I have aspired to live up to is my father.

And since I will end up woefully short of that I just try to make him think I am still trying!  

[Rotobeast]

(08-01-2016, 03:38 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Maybe they based their charitable foundation on a private model like the Carnegie Foundation, the Pew Charitable Trusts, or the Rockefeller Foundation.

I honestly have no idea.
I was just running off at the mouth.
(hence the ninja)

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[SunsetBengal]

(08-01-2016, 03:17 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I always have disliked the idea of role models. I've never had one because I'm cynical. Everyone has faults. It's like when people get pissed about a professional athlete showing themselves to be morally bankrupt. They are a human being and human beings are flawed. Don't put people on a pedestal. Are their traits I like about certain people? Absolutely. Can I agree or disagree with someone on politics and still find things I like and dislike about them? Yep. Am I going to put any of these people up on a pedestal? Hell no.

I should take a moment to say, however, that I do expect people in the public light to act respectable. But I honestly expect it of everyone. I hold everyone to the same standards, including myself. Everyone falls short, though. That's life.

I agree, I don't have a public role model either.  However, I do have a role model.  A man that I idolized as a child, rebelled against as a youth, and have grown to become best friends with as an adult.  That man, my Father.

I realize that sounds a bit sappy, particularly in a P&R thread, but it's the truth.  If more American men were actual fathers to their children, I could easily see half of the US perceived problems disappear.

[McC]

(08-01-2016, 04:36 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I always understood the concept of role models to be someone you put on a pedestal.

You might be confusing role model with "idol."

[McC]

(08-01-2016, 03:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I guarantee that the Clinton Foundation has done a million times more to help "black and brown people" than Kelly Hayes.

I believe I read that is also paying for her campaign, since there is a limit on foreign campaign donations and this is the way they got around that law.