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(03-20-2016, 12:54 PM)GMDino Wrote: That phrase has been bandied about for a week. Let's look at what he said:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/14/john-kasich-defends-immigration-stance-ohio-rally/
Seems very pragmatic. Of course, there will be those that say all illegal immigrants are, by definition, criminals. Which is definitely true. But, providing a path to citizenship for those non-violent among them is more cost efficient and beneficial than trying to deport them all. Doing this in tandem with comprehensive immigration reform to close the holes in our system that allowed such a large amount of illegal immigrants, as well of funding these plans, would work well for the future.
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(03-20-2016, 12:47 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Kasich's religion isn't his Issue. It's the progressive democrat policies he is running his campaign. Amnesty in the first 100 days lol. This guy is a joke.
Actually passing new laws and spending more money to deport them all would be MORE "progressive" while just leaving them here with no additional government intervention would be LESS "progressive".
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(03-18-2016, 02:56 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I was kind of embarrassed I voted for him after that.
Perfect exampl of the problems we have with American voters.
They base their choice of candidates on things like "confetti use" instead of policy issues.
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(03-20-2016, 01:37 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Actually passing new laws and spending more money to deport them all would be MORE "progressive" while just leaving them here with no additional government intervention would be LESS "progressive".
Wrong. Forced deportation would just be following the laws.
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(03-20-2016, 12:54 PM)GMDino Wrote: That phrase has been bandied about for a week. Let's look at what he said:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/14/john-kasich-defends-immigration-stance-ohio-rally/
Ohio is an open primary state . He did. It to attract democrat voters to cross over and vote in the GOP primary. Whether he does it or not is another story .... But the fact he felt he had to pander to democrats to win his own state is a joke.
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(03-20-2016, 01:46 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Wrong. Forced deportation would just be following the laws.
Well, laws would have to be passed to make it happen because right now we can't afford to enforce the current laws.
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(03-20-2016, 01:46 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Wrong. Forced deportation would just be following the laws.
Requiring massive increases in government spending and bureaucracy.
How progressive of you to support such a position, Lucie.
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(03-20-2016, 01:51 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, laws would have to be passed to make it happen because right now we can't afford to enforce the current laws.
Just start another operation wetback. Focus on felons first.
And we can't afford a lot of things yet we keep doing them..
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(03-20-2016, 01:53 PM)FOfredtoast Wrote: Requiring massive increases in government spending and bureaucracy.
How progressive of you to support such a position, Lucie.
Sure. Short term increase in spending to ease the long term financial burden.
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(03-20-2016, 01:55 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: And we can't afford a lot of things yet we keep doing them..
Isn't this the exact mantra of the progressives?
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(03-20-2016, 01:56 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Sure. Short term increase in spending to ease the long term financial burden.
It would not be short term.
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(03-20-2016, 01:57 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Isn't this the exact mantra of the progressives?
No. There is no sunset in their spending.
Running a modern day operation wetback for 5 years would do wonders.
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(03-20-2016, 01:48 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Ohio is an open primary state . He did. It to attract democrat voters to cross over and vote in the GOP primary. Whether he does it or not is another story .... But the fact he felt he had to pander to democrats to win his own state is a joke.
Actually that is just politics.
The fact that Drumpf says whatever small minded thing he wants and 30-40% of his party votes for him is what is a joke.
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(03-20-2016, 01:59 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: No. There is no sunset in their spending.
So you believe if we throw them out they will never come back?
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(03-20-2016, 01:59 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Running a modern day operation wetback for 5 years would do wonders.
So your are saying that a new government program would do wonders?
Sounds pretty progressive to me.
Why not just let the free market fix the problem? Why does the government need to get involved at all?
Or why don't you just move to a country that has immigration policies you agree with? isn't that your answer to everything for everyone else?
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(03-20-2016, 02:31 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So your are saying that a new government program would do wonders?
Sounds pretty progressive to me.
Why not just let the free market fix the problem? Why does the government need to get involved at all?
Or why don't you just move to a country that has immigration policies you agree with? isn't that your answer to everything for everyone else?
Not sure it's a gov program to enforce the law.
If you want to turn law enforcement over to free market solutions then that's fine. It's good to see you are interested to non government solutions. However border security is a government issue.
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(03-20-2016, 02:47 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Not sure it's a gov program to enforce the law.
If you want to turn law enforcement over to free market solutions then that's fine. It's good to see you are interested to non government solutions. However border security is a government issue.
Now we are getting somewhere.
Illegal entry into the UNited States is just a misdemeanor punishable by a maximum of 6 months in jail or a $250 fine.. Most law enforcement agencies do not even extradite criminals from another state for such a small offense. And of course every single one of them will be entitled to a trial. So that is going to be expensive for taxpayers. How much do you think you and your friends to scrape up to pay private police to handle this?
Residing in the United States without proper permission is not a criminal offense. It is only punishable by civil action. So how much do you think you can raise to pay private police to round all of them up?
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(03-20-2016, 05:28 PM)Hfredtoast Wrote: Now we are getting somewhere.
Illegal entry into the UNited States is just a misdemeanor punishable by a maximum of 6 months in jail or a $250 fine.. Most law enforcement agencies do not even extradite criminals from another state for such a small offense. And of course every single one of them will be entitled to a trial. So that is going to be expensive for taxpayers. How much do you think you and your friends to scrape up to pay private police to handle this?
Residing in the United States without proper permission is not a criminal offense. It is only punishable by civil action. So how much do you think you can raise to pay private police to round all of them up?
Doesn't DHS start deportation when a foreign national gets a misdemeanor?
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(03-20-2016, 06:11 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Doesn't DHS start deportation when a foreign national gets a misdemeanor?
I think you mean ICE.
And not always.
Plus you have to realize that ICE is not the one who supplies the manpower yo go out and find these people. They just step in when some other agency has the offender in custody for an offense unrelated to illegal entry into the country.
Local authoritie may get involved in "illegal entry" cases on the border. But local authorities genrally don't hunt down people and try to arrest them on illegal entry charges.
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(03-20-2016, 06:56 PM)Ufredtoast Wrote: I think you mean ICE.
And not always.
Plus you have to realize that ICE is not the one who supplies the manpower yo go out and find these people. They just step in when some other agency has the offender in custody for an offense unrelated to illegal entry into the country.
Local authoritie may get involved in "illegal entry" cases on the border. But local authorities genrally don't hunt down people and try to arrest them on illegal entry charges.
Ice is part of DHS.
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