Matt Drudge Issues Major Challenge to Obama and Hillary: ‘I Dare You!’

[GMDino]

(10-08-2015, 02:36 PM)Naranja Tigre Wrote: UCC has a gun free policy. 

They're required by law to allow c&c but it's a gray area. 

try again. 

So they're allowed to carry...by law...but you consider it a "gun free zone".  Got it.

[Naranja Tigre]

(10-08-2015, 02:56 PM)GMDino Wrote: So they're allowed to carry...by law...but you consider it a "gun free zone".  Got it.

Not me, the school. 

But go ahead and disavow a national trend with this one grey example. That shows me that you're not biased against "gunz" at all. 

[GMDino]

(10-08-2015, 03:16 PM)Naranja Tigre Wrote: Not me, the school. 

But go ahead and disavow a national trend with this one grey example. That shows me that you're not biased against "gunz" at all. 

sigh....

Even the one example you deny.

https://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/its-not-a-gun-free-zone-firearms-were-common-on-umpqua-community-college-campus/

Quote:‘It’s not a gun-free zone': Firearms were common on Umpqua Community College campus


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05 OCT 2015 AT 09:53 ET                   

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When a gunman killed eight students and a teacher at an Oregon college last week, he also revived a debate on the need to change firearm laws and whether the school’s “gun-free zone” policy only made easier for him.

President Barack Obama quickly pleaded for stricter gun laws to prevent similar tragedies, angering conservatives such as Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee. “It’s clear that gun-free zones are sitting-duck zones,” Huckabee said.





But about a dozen students and others connected to Umpqua Community College in Roseburg said many students carried guns despite the campus ban and that this was common knowledge.

“You are allowed to conceal and carry on that campus,” said Umpqua student and part-time wildland firefighter Jeremy Smith, 24. “It’s not a gun-free zone.”

Smith said he would never return to campus without a handgun.

“I’m an avid gun owner,” he said. “I carry, like just about anybody else does.”

Although Oregon state law allows concealed weapons, Umpqua’s student handbook says firearms are prohibited on college property “except as expressly authorized by law or college regulations.”

The school includes firearms training in its criminal justice program for people accepted into a Police Reserve Academy. Students use the Roseburg Rod and Gun Club, a short drive from campus, to shoot or get help registering for a concealed-carry permit, an employee there said.

While there were two unarmed security guards at the sprawling campus, several current and former students said legally carrying concealed handguns was not unusual, particularly among the hundreds of military veterans who attend classes and frequent the Student Veterans Center.

The question of who had a gun to defend a classroom instantly struck one teacher when gunshots rang out on campus Thursday.
“When I got into the room that was locked down, one of the professors asked if anyone was concealed carry,” said student John Parker, an Air Force veteran, who had a gun on his hip.

“I raised my hand and said: ‘Don’t worry, nobody is coming through that door.'”

Beyond the veterans’ community, however, other students said they were convinced the campus was in fact gun-free, citing the school’s code of conduct and the broader culture among the roughly 3,000 full-time students.

GUN CULTURE
While Oregon leans liberal, guns are woven into the cultural fabric of Roseburg’s Douglas County, where a large population of hunters, sport shooters, and military veterans are backed by Sheriff John Hanlin, a staunch Second Amendment rights proponent.

About one in 16 Oregon adults have concealed-carry permits, local media reported. Roseburg Mayor Larry Rich told Reuters he was getting such a permit and frequently visited the pistol range near campus.

Former Umpqua Community College President Joe Olson told U.S. media that a sharply divided campus in recent years had rejected plans for armed security officers. Current college officials did not respond to requests for comment.

“In the past,” said local pastor Ted Johnson, “you could drive on campus at the high school or at UCC, and it would not be uncommon to see pickups (trucks) all over the parking lot with gun racks and guns in the back window.”

Jared Norman said he knew several fellow Umpqua students who brought guns to campus but usually left them in their cars. He also planned to take a gun safety course and obtain a conceal to carry permit in the wake of the shooting

“It does not surprise me that students carry on campus,” he said. “Honestly, knowing that there are responsible gun owners on campus made me feel safer that day.”

An Oregon appeals court ruled in 2011 that universities could not prevent gun owners with concealed weapons permits from bringing their firearms to campus.

The Oregon legislature, the only body with the authority to regulate firearms, has proposed bills over the past several years seeking to clarify guns-in-school laws, but none passed. One proposal would have banned all guns on school grounds.

Oregon law prohibits firearms in public buildings except for a person with a concealed carry license, said Kristina Edmunson, a spokeswoman for the state attorney general. However, community college and university boards have broad authority to enact policies, she added.

This ambiguity has fueled a debate over the extent of control colleges have in setting their own policies and whether more law-abiding gun-carriers could subdue future killers and save lives.

“I would have loved to see more students with the ability to turn around and send this son of a ***** back to the great beyond,” said Kevin Starrett, director of the Oregon Firearms Federation gun rights group.

Apart from Oregon, legally concealed weapons are allowed on campuses in Colorado, Idaho, Mississippi, Utah and Wisconsin, and in Texas under a new law that takes effect in August.

Some educators, students and parents, and anti-gun policy groups, however, are deeply opposed to a campus culture with hordes of armed pupils, saying more guns would increase violence. They are urging lawmakers to enact stronger weapons restrictions, improve campus security and strengthen the mental health system.

Toni Paul, whose daughter attends Umpqua, said: “I’m a gun owner myself, and I’ve been wanting to get my concealed weapons permit. But for my daughter? I think the security people should be able to have guns, but not students.”

[Naranja Tigre]

(10-08-2015, 03:39 PM)GMDino Wrote: sigh....

Even the one example you deny.

Because it's one example. You gunz grabbers are going to have to find several before you disprove the truth that shootings occur in gun free zones because shooters don't want to get shot by their victims. 

It's just common sense. 

[GMDino]

(10-08-2015, 03:46 PM)Naranja Tigre Wrote: Because it's one example. You gunz grabbers are going to have to find several before you disprove the truth that shootings occur in gun free zones because shooters don't want to get shot by their victims. 

It's just common sense. 

No because you won't even accept the truth about one, let alone the rest.

I'm sure you wouldn't think that the vast majority of attacks that DID occur in a "gun free zone" had nothing to do with it BEING a "gun free zone" but rather the point of the shooters angst (work, targeting a person or type of person, etc.)

But even with ALL OF THAT...it has nothing to with trying to LIMIT the amount of people who have guns and should not.  

[fredtoast]

(10-08-2015, 12:43 PM)Naranja Tigre Wrote: Given that the vast majority of these shootings are occurring in gun free zones, there wouldn't be shoot outs if the NRA had their way. 

Mass shooting are the exception to the rule.

by an overwhelming majority most guns detahs occur in places where anyone is allowed to carry a gun.  In fact a of lot gun violence is between gang members who are both armed with guns.  And with most gun deaths the killer knows the victim.

[Naranja Tigre]

(10-10-2015, 07:17 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Mass shooting are the exception to the rule.

by an overwhelming majority most guns detahs occur in places where anyone is allowed to carry a gun.  In fact a of lot gun violence is between gang members who are both armed with guns.  And with most gun deaths the killer knows the victim.

You are absolutely correct, but the left doesn't like to talk about gang violence because it only involves minorities and occurs in metro areas that are controlled by the left. Take obama's home town of Chicago, nicknamed Chiraq. Many many gun deaths, no press. 

[fredtoast]

(10-10-2015, 09:36 PM)Naranja Tigre Wrote: You are absolutely correct, but the left doesn't like to talk about gang violence because it only involves minorities and occurs in metro areas that are controlled by the left. Take obama's home town of Chicago, nicknamed Chiraq. Many many gun deaths, no press. 

There is tons of press about the gun deaths in Chicago.

Do you live under a rock?

[JustWinBaby]

(10-08-2015, 12:00 AM)GMDino Wrote: Did I get that right?

No, you still don't get it.  Keep trying.

I'll give you a hint: without guns, Hillary would still have a security detail because - SHOCK! - people. not guns, kill.

[JustWinBaby]

(10-08-2015, 12:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: what kind of regulations we can impose to try and limit the amount of gun violence is where I differ.

"Gun control" limiting anything is kind of like man-made climate change....it's great political propaganda but in practice will have negligible impact because when the rubber meets the road even pandering politicians aren't going to make stupid policy.

And while intelligent people know gun control is going nowhere, that doesn't stop politicians from buying votes fear mongering the issue, on both the left and right.

[GMDino]

(10-11-2015, 07:54 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: No, you still don't get it.  Keep trying.

I'll give you a hint: without guns, Hillary would still have a security detail because - SHOCK! - people. not guns, kill.

But Mrs Drudge want her to get rid of her guns...to prove that people can be safe without them.

That infers that people are NOT safe without guns.   But we all know guns don't kill people.  So why does anyone need guns?

Hint:  Because we know Drudge meant everyone needs guns to protect themselves from everyone else with a gun.

And he feed the right wing noise machine so he had to say SOMETHING.

[GodHatesBengals]

(10-10-2015, 11:26 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Do you live under a rock?

If the things he says are any indication, he just got hit in the head with one a couple dozen times.