Mohammod Youssuf Abdulazeez - The Shooter

[GMDino]

(07-16-2015, 11:37 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Pretty simple to sort out.   Arab guy goes on a shooting spree.   Targeting a reserve base.   Yet another place those guys can't carry a weapon.

http://www.apd.army.mil/jw2/xmldemo/r190_14/head.asp

Carrying of Firearms and Use of Force for Law Enforcement and Security Duties

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Quote:SUMMARY of CHANGE
AR 190-14 
Carrying of Firearms and Use of Force for Law Enforcement and Security Duties
This revision--
* Implements applicable portions of Department of Defense Directive 5210.56 .
* Clearly establishes minimum qualification requirements for military police and Department of the Army law enforcement and security personnel ( para 2-3 ).
* Expands authorization documentation options for authorizing officials ( para 2-4 ).
* Limits and controls the carrying of firearms by Department of the Army military and civilian personnel ( para 2-6 ).
* Prohibits the carrying of non-Government owned or issued weapons or ammunition ( para 2-6 ).
* Prohibits carrying of firearms by persons taking prescription drugs or other medication that may cause drowsiness or impair reaction or judgment ( para 2-7 ).
* Prohibits consumption of alcohol within 8 hours of carrying firearm or flying in aircraft (paras 2-7 and 4-3 ).
* Requires the use of deadly force with firearms be applied equally to personnel using a weapon or equipment which, when properly employed in their intended application, would exert deadly force ( para 3-2 ).

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Quote:1-5. Policy


a. The authorization to carry firearms will be issued only to qualified personnel when there is a reasonable expectation that life or Department of the Army (DA) assets will be jeopardized if firearms are not carried. Evaluation of the necessity to carry a firearm will be made considering this expectation weighed against the possible consequences of accidental or indiscriminate use of firearms.
b. DA personnel regularly engaged in law enforcement or security duties will be armed.
c. DA personnel are authorized to carry firearms while engaged in security duties, protecting personnel and vital Government assets, or guarding prisoners.

The have weapons.

[*bfine32*]

I have refrained from this thread because I don't wish to cheapen the gravity of the loss. WTS I find it ironic that "we are not sure if this is an act of terror yet" and that this appears to be "lone wolf" instead of some systemic problem (like a flag).

http://news.yahoo.com/little-known-suspect-fatal-shooting-marines-082020823.html#

[*Nately120*]

So let's say this guy is a terrorist and a Muslim and completely in line with what they say, do, believe and is completely representative of the middle east. Er, aren't we already at war with terrorists? What should we do? Go to extra-war with them?

The confederate flag thing was new. We're already at war with people like this guy (minus the American citizen part, mostly) so what's the issue?

[GMDino]

(07-17-2015, 01:11 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I have refrained from this thread because I don't wish to cheapen the gravity of the loss. WTS I find it ironic that "we are not sure if this is an act of terror yet" and that this appears to be "lone wolf" instead of some systemic problem (like a flag).

http://news.yahoo.com/little-known-suspect-fatal-shooting-marines-082020823.html#

Because up until the event yesterday he was, by all appearances, a nice, normal American citizen.

I did see a report where he had traveled to the middle east, or moved there depending on the source, for a while before this happened.

So until they get to the source of what he did (probably unlikely as he is dead) they have to hedge their bets.

OR they could raise the terror alert to rainbow and tell everyone to buy plastic and duct tape.  Or maybe something in the middle.

Also, the "systemic problem" with the SC shooting was racism.  As symbolized by a flag.  You can (and probably do) own one and wave it out your window and every person you see while shouting "FREEDOM" but if you go shoot a bunch of minorities it will be clear why you had the flag.  The problem is not the flag...its the ahole who waves it while hating minorities.

[*michaelsean*]

(07-17-2015, 02:09 PM)GMDino Wrote: Because up until the event yesterday he was, by all appearances, a nice, normal American citizen.

I did see a report where he had traveled to the middle east, or moved there depending on the source, for a while before this happened.

So until they get to the source of what he did (probably unlikely as he is dead) they have to hedge their bets.

OR they could raise the terror alert to rainbow and tell everyone to buy plastic and duct tape.  Or maybe something in the middle.

Also, the "systemic problem" with the SC shooting was racism.  As symbolized by a flag.  You can (and probably do) own one and wave it out your window and every person you see while shouting "FREEDOM" but if you go shoot a bunch of minorities it will be clear why you had the flag.  The problem is not the flag...its the ahole who waves it while hating minorities.

Sounds like every serial killer ever.  Just one time I'd like to hear, "Hell yeah I believe it.  Dude was nuts.  Should have been in prison on potential alone."

[GMDino]

(07-17-2015, 02:30 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Sounds like every serial killer ever.  Just one time I'd like to hear, "Hell yeah I believe it.  Dude was nuts.  Should have been in prison on potential alone."

Oh my God!  I always say the same thing!

"Dude was loud and crazy!  We knew he'd kill someone some day!"

[StLucieBengal]

(07-17-2015, 10:40 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: You don't even attempt to veil your racism anymore, do you?

What about Christians from the Middle East or Israelis. Are they cool?

We already dont let them come in... Holder stopped them when they were being killed in Egypt.

How is what I said racist?

[*jason*]

(07-17-2015, 01:11 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I have refrained from this thread because I don't wish to cheapen the gravity of the loss. WTS I find it ironic that "we are not sure if this is an act of terror yet" and that this appears to be "lone wolf" instead of some systemic problem (like a flag).

http://news.yahoo.com/little-known-suspect-fatal-shooting-marines-082020823.html#

It's all semantics, but he seemed to be targeting military personnel.  Aren't terrorist attacks primarily directed at civilians?  At any rate, I hope the guy burns in hell with flag boy, and the Colorado
guy when he gets there.  Lone wolf terror attacks are what scare me most.  Especially with ISIS and their "do what you can, when you can" internet thing.  I remember right after 9/11 when we would always see the same footage of Al Qaeda training camps where guys seemed to be training for mass shooting sprees... I'm tired of this shit, but I refuse to blame all Muslims for the actions of a few.

[*jason*]

(07-17-2015, 05:14 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: We already dont let them come in...  Holder stopped them when they were being killed in Egypt.  

How is what I said racist?

It may not be racist, but you like to paint with a broad brush.  Half the time I'm not sure that you don't just do it for a reaction.  It may not be racism, but it sometimes comes off ignorant and sorta scared little girl-ish. 

[StLucieBengal]

(07-17-2015, 07:54 PM)jason Wrote: It may not be racist, but you like to paint with a broad brush.  Half the time I'm not sure that you don't just do it for a reaction.  It may not be racism, but it sometimes comes off ignorant and sorta scared little girl-ish. 

Because I think we should stop visa's from an area we are currently at war?   How is that unreasonable in a time of war?    To call it racist is quite a joke.

That's not "little girlish" that's called reasonable immigration policy.

[BmorePat87]

(07-17-2015, 05:14 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: How is what I said racist?

You said that we shouldn't let a whole group of people come to our country because of their nationality.

[BmorePat87]

(07-17-2015, 09:17 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Because I think we should stop visa's from an area we are currently at war?   How is that unreasonable in a time of war?    To call it racist is quite a joke.

We're not at war with the area, and technically the war against terror is global.

[*bfine32*]

(07-17-2015, 07:46 PM)jason Wrote: It's all semantics, but he seemed to be targeting military personnel.  Aren't terrorist attacks primarily directed at civilians? 

Barracks bombing in Libya, USS Cole, 911 Pentagon, Fort Hood Shootings, Fort Dix Six. All just off the top of my head. Given time I could probably come up with a few more.

[GMDino]

(07-17-2015, 11:16 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Barracks bombing in Libya, USS Cole, 911 Pentagon, Fort Hood Shootings, Fort Dix Six. All just off the top of my head. Given time I could probably come up with a few more.

Oklahoma City, the Unabomber, The DC Sniper...

[BmorePat87]

(07-17-2015, 11:19 PM)GMDino Wrote: Oklahoma City, the Unabomber, The DC Sniper...

I think he's just showing examples of how terrorist attacks can also be directed at military targets.

[StLucieBengal]

(07-17-2015, 10:45 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: You said that we shouldn't let a whole group of people come to our country because of their nationality.

Yeah because we at war in that region. That's standard procedure for most. Sorry I cant be like Wilson and FDR and round up arab Americans and put them into camps. You would probably be more comfortable with that.... But I just wanna stop anyone from the area from coming in here .... While we are at war.

[BmorePat87]

(07-18-2015, 12:11 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Yeah because we at war in that region.    That's standard procedure for most.   Sorry I cant be like Wilson and FDR and round up arab Americans and put them into camps.    You would probably be more comfortable with that.... But I just wanna stop anyone from the area from coming in here ....   While we are at war.

We're not at war with that religion. We're also not at war with the region itself.

[GMDino]

O'Reilly Pushes Bogus ISIS Link To Chattanooga Shooting While Admitting It Might Not Be True

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/07/oreilly-pushes-bogus-isis-link-chattanooga

Quote:As John Amato already explained here, Fox "news" and wingnut Pamela Geller almost immediately tried tying the Chattanooga shooter to ISIS this Thursday, facts be damned, which should surprise no one, since anytime there's someone with a Muslim name involved in a shooting, they're going to ramp the fearmongering up to eleven.

And as Media Matters reported, they also had to start walking those claims back and did just that on Bret Baier's show, which airs a couple of hours before Bill O'Reilly comes on.

That didn't stop Bill-O from making it the subject of his Talking Points Memo at the start of the show, and even though he admitted there might be problems with the story and he did not know if the ISIS ties were true, he was going to use it as an excuse to attack President Obama anyway and to try to scare the hell out of the geriatric crowd that watches his show and unfortunately actually takes him seriously.

From Fox's blog: O'Reilly on Terror Attack: If ISIS Is Involved 'All Hell Is Gonna Break Loose' :

Quote:In his Talking Points Memo tonight, Bill O'Reilly reacted to the vicious terror attack in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

O'Reilly warned about the potential fallout if ISIS is found to be connected to what happened today.

“If ISIS is involved, even indirectly, all hell is gonna break loose in this country,” he stated. "For months, those savages have been encouraging people on the net to attack Americans."

"The Factor" host also blasted President Obama's ISIS strategy, stating that it has not been an "urgent campaign."

"I firmly believe that President Obama is making a major mistake in the tentative nature of his response to ISIS and I have said that many times," O'Reilly explained.

He added that he hopes Obama's strategy will change, because "ISIS is a direct threat to all Americans."



Here's the full quote on the ISIS tweet they omitted from their post:

O'REILLY: There is one sensational report tonight that I have to mention, even though it is not exactly clear whether it's accurate. Apparently a tweet from an ISIS-based source announced the terror action before it actually happened. Catherine Herridge is on that story and will join us shortly. If ISIS is involved, even indirectly, all hell is going to break loose in this country.


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Here's more on how long it took him to finally acknowledge there might be a problem with the reporting:

UPDATE #2: On The O'Reilly Factor, this story was addressed at least three more times.

At the top of the Factor, O'Reilly reported the "sensational" ISIS tweet story, even after admitting it wasn't "exactly clear whether it's accurate."

Midway through the show, Catherine Herridge reappeared and admitted that "there are now some questions about the time stamp on one of the ISIS tweets earlier today." When O'Reilly pressed her on how she learned about the tweet, she said, "I first saw it this afternoon, it was part of the social media that was circulating."

At the end of the Factor, Special Report anchor Bret Baier clarified the timing of the tweet, saying that "all indications now are that it came out after the attack." When O'Reilly asked if that meant the ISIS tweet story was "a bogus situation," Baier replied, "yeah."

[*michaelsean*]

(07-18-2015, 01:11 PM)GMDino Wrote: O'Reilly Pushes Bogus ISIS Link To Chattanooga Shooting While Admitting It Might Not Be True

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/07/oreilly-pushes-bogus-isis-link-chattanooga

And? Are we afraid Bill is trying to make ISIS or the shooter look bad? The obsession with Fox News is bizarre.

[*bfine32*]

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