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New Leaked Russian Documents
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This is an interesting read, especially when they talk about the ability to unleash viruses of misinformation that will replicate and spread against the U.S. In the end it confirms a lot of what we thought or knew, but it also shows they had Trump pegged dead on from the start. Now these could be fake, although based on other recent reports it definitely feels like they could be real, but if true the Russians were playing chess while we were playing tiddlywinks. I actually think Russia intentionally put them out there to keep fanning some of the discourse, but it doesn't mean parts or all of it aren't true either.

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Quote:Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House
Exclusive: Documents suggest Russia launched secret multi-agency effort to interfere in US democracy

Luke Harding, Julian Borger and Dan Sabbagh
Thu 15 Jul 2021 06.00 EDT

Vladimir Putin personally authorised a secret spy agency operation to support a “mentally unstable” Donald Trump in the 2016 US presidential election during a closed session of Russia’s national security council, according to what are assessed to be leaked Kremlin documents.

The key meeting took place on 22 January 2016, the papers suggest, with the Russian president, his spy chiefs and senior ministers all present.

They agreed a Trump White House would help secure Moscow’s strategic objectives, among them “social turmoil” in the US and a weakening of the American president’s negotiating position.

Russia’s three spy agencies were ordered to find practical ways to support Trump, in a decree appearing to bear Putin’s signature.

By this point Trump was the frontrunner in the Republican party’s nomination race. A report prepared by Putin’s expert department recommended Moscow use “all possible force” to ensure a Trump victory.

Western intelligence agencies are understood to have been aware of the documents for some months and to have carefully examined them. The papers, seen by the Guardian, seem to represent a serious and highly unusual leak from within the Kremlin.

The Guardian has shown the documents to independent experts who say they appear to be genuine. Incidental details come across as accurate. The overall tone and thrust is said to be consistent with Kremlin security thinking.

The Kremlin responded dismissively. Putin’s spokesman Dmitri Peskov said the idea that Russian leaders had met and agreed to support Trump in at the meeting in early 2016 was “a great pulp fiction” when contacted by the Guardian on Thursday morning.

The report – “No 32-04 \ vd” – is classified as secret. It says Trump is the “most promising candidate” from the Kremlin’s point of view. The word in Russian is perspektivny.

There is a brief psychological assessment of Trump, who is described as an “impulsive, mentally unstable and unbalanced individual who suffers from an inferiority complex”.

There is also apparent confirmation that the Kremlin possesses kompromat, or potentially compromising material, on the future president, collected – the document says – from Trump’s earlier “non-official visits to Russian Federation territory”.

The paper refers to “certain events” that happened during Trump’s trips to Moscow. Security council members are invited to find details in appendix five, at paragraph five, the document states. It is unclear what the appendix contains.

“It is acutely necessary to use all possible force to facilitate his [Trump’s] election to the post of US president,” the paper says.

This extract from a secret Kremlin document gives details of the Russian operation to help an impulsive and ‘mentally unstable’ Donald Trump to become US president

This would help bring about Russia’s favoured “theoretical political scenario”. A Trump win “will definitely lead to the destabilisation of the US’s sociopolitical system” and see hidden discontent burst into the open, it predicts.

There is no doubt that the meeting in January 2016 took place – and that it was convened inside the Kremlin.

An official photo of the occasion shows Putin at the head of the table, seated beneath a Russian Federation flag and a two-headed golden eagle. Russia’s then prime minister, Dmitry Medvedev, attended, together with the veteran foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov.

Also present were Sergei Shoigu, the defence minister in charge of the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence agency; Mikhail Fradkov, the then chief of Russia’s SVR foreign intelligence service; and Alexander Bortnikov, the boss of the FSB spy agency.Nikolai Patrushev, the FSB’s former director, attended too as security council secretary.

According to a press release, the discussion covered the economy and Moldova.

The document seen by the Guardian suggests the security council’s real, covert purpose was to discuss the confidential proposals drawn up by the president’s analytical service in response to US sanctions against Moscow.

Donald Trump addresses a press conference following his victory in the Florida state primary in West Palm Beach, Florida, in March 2016
Donald Trump after winning the Florida state primary in West Palm Beach, Florida, in March 2016. A report prepared by Putin’s expert department recommended Moscow use ‘all possible force’ to ensure a Trump presidential victory. Photograph: Rhona Wise/AFP/Getty Images
The author appears to be Vladimir Symonenko, the senior official in charge of the Kremlin’s expert department – which provides Putin with analytical material and reports, some of them based on foreign intelligence.

The papers indicate that on 14 January 2016 Symonenko circulated a three-page executive summary of his team’s conclusions and recommendations.

In a signed order two days later, Putin instructed the then chief of his foreign policy directorate, Alexander Manzhosin, to convene a closed briefing of the national security council.

Its purpose was to further study the document, the order says. Manzhosin was given a deadline of five days to make arrangements.

What was said inside the second-floor Kremlin senate building room is unknown. But the president and his intelligence officials appear to have signed off on a multi-agency plan to interfere in US democracy, framed in terms of justified self-defence.

Various measures are cited that the Kremlin might adopt in response to what it sees as hostile acts from Washington. The paper lays out several American weaknesses. These include a “deepening political gulf between left and right”, the US’s “media-information” space, and an anti-establishment mood under President Barack Obama.

The paper does not name Hillary Clinton, Trump’s 2016 rival. It does suggest employing media resources to undermine leading US political figures.

There are paragraphs on how Russia might insert “media viruses” into American public life, which could become self-sustaining and self-replicating. These would alter mass consciousness, especially in certain groups, it says.

After the meeting, according to a separate leaked document, Putin issued a decree setting up a new and secret interdepartmental commission. Its urgent task was to realise the goals set out in the “special part” of document No 32-04 \ vd.

Members of the new working body were stated to include Shoigu, Fradkov and Bortnikov. Shoigu was named commission chair. The decree – ukaz in Russian – said the group should take practical steps against the US as soon as possible. These were justified on national security grounds and in accordance with a 2010 federal law, 390-FZ, which allows the council to formulate state policy on security matters.

According to the document, each spy agency was given a role. The defence minister was instructed to coordinate the work of subdivisions and services. Shoigu was also responsible for collecting and systematising necessary information and for “preparing measures to act on the information environment of the object” – a command, it seems, to hack sensitive American cyber-targets identified by the SVR.

The SVR was told to gather additional information to support the commission’s activities. The FSB was assigned counter-intelligence. Putin approved the apparent document, dated 22 January 2016, which his chancellery stamped.

The measures were effective immediately on Putin’s signature, the decree says. The spy chiefs were given just over a week to come back with concrete ideas, to be submitted by 1 February.

Written in bureaucratic language, the papers appear to offer an unprecedented glimpse into the usually hidden world of Russian government decision-making.

Putin has repeatedly denied accusations of interfering in western democracy. The documents seem to contradict this claim. They suggest the president, his spy officers and senior ministers were all intimately involved in one of the most important and audacious espionage operations of the 21st century: a plot to help put the “mentally unstable” Trump in the White House.

The papers appear to set out a route map for what actually happened in 2016.

A matter of weeks after the security council meeting, GRU hackers raided the servers of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and subsequently released thousands of private emails in an attempt to hurt Clinton’s election campaign.

The report seen by the Guardian features details redolent of Russian intelligence work, diplomatic sources say. The thumbnail sketch of Trump’s personality is characteristic of Kremlin spy agency analysis, which places great emphasis on building up a profile of individuals using both real and cod psychology.

Moscow would gain most from a Republican victory, the paper states. This could lead to a “social explosion” that would in turn weaken the US president, it says. There were international benefits from a Trump win, it stresses. Putin would be able in clandestine fashion to dominate any US-Russia bilateral talks, to deconstruct the White House’s negotiating position, and to pursue bold foreign policy initiatives on Russia’s behalf, it says.

Other parts of the multi-page report deal with non-Trump themes. It says sanctions imposed by the US after Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea have contributed to domestic tensions. The Kremlin should seek alternative ways of attracting liquidity into the Russian economy, it concludes.

The document recommends the reorientation of trade and hydrocarbon exports towards China. Moscow’s focus should be to influence the US and its satellite countries, it says, so they drop sanctions altogether or soften them.

‘Spell-binding’ documents

Andrei Soldatov, an expert on Russia’s spy agencies and author of The Red Web, said the leaked material “reflects reality”. “It’s consistent with the procedures of the security services and the security council,” he said. “Decisions are always made like that, with advisers providing information to the president and a chain of command.”

He added: “The Kremlin micromanages most of these operations. Putin has made it clear to his spies since at least 2015 that nothing can be done independently from him. There is no room for independent action.” Putin decided to release stolen DNC emails following a security council meeting in April 2016, Soldatov said, citing his own sources.

Sir Andrew Wood, the UK’s former ambassador in Moscow and an associate fellow at the Chatham House thinktank, described the documents as “spell-binding”. “They reflect the sort of discussion and recommendations you would expect. There is a complete misunderstanding of the US and China. They are written for a person [Putin] who can’t believe he got anything wrong.”

Wood added: “There is no sense Russia might have made a mistake by invading Ukraine. The report is fully in line with the sort of thing I would expect in 2016, and even more so now. There is a good deal of paranoia. They believe the US is responsible for everything. This view is deeply dug into the soul of Russia’s leaders.”

Trump did not respond to a request for comment.
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I guess this what the word indeed was created for.

And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

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I am shocked. SHOCKED I SAY.
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#4
I believe in the big lie and the russian hoax. Why would a greedy narcissist conman want power? All fake to make in innocent reincarnated bald eagle wrapped in an American flag Donald look bad.
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(07-15-2021, 04:54 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: I believe in the big lie and the russian hoax. Why would a greedy narcissist conman want power? All fake to make in innocent reincarnated bald eagle wrapped in an American flag Donald look bad.

I understood none of this.  
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(07-15-2021, 10:11 AM)Au165 Wrote: This is an interesting read, especially when they talk about the ability to unleash viruses of misinformation that will replicate and spread against the U.S. In the end it confirms a lot of what we thought or knew, but it also shows they had Trump pegged dead on from the start. Now these could be fake, although based on other recent reports it definitely feels like they could be real, but if true the Russians were playing chess while we were playing tiddlywinks. I actually think Russia intentionally put them out there to keep fanning some of the discourse, but it doesn't mean parts or all of it aren't true either.

I'm a bit skeptical, but only because the documents so accurately reflect the dominant narrative regarding Putin's preference for Trump, and because unintended Kremlin leaks are so much more unlikely than Trump admin. leaks.  

No doubt that a Trump win was big for Putin, though. And this does line up with our own intel and Trump's behavior.

This is the essence of it:

They agreed a Trump White House would help secure Moscow’s strategic objectives, among them “social turmoil” in the US and a weakening of the American president’s negotiating position.

Russia’s three spy agencies were ordered to find practical ways to support Trump, in a decree appearing to bear Putin’s signature.

By this point Trump was the frontrunner in the Republican party’s nomination race. A report prepared by Putin’s expert department recommended Moscow use “all possible force” to ensure a Trump victory.
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Ex-KGB Dictator's government "leaks" documents that confirm all of the worst fears people had about Ex-KGB Dictator's attempts to cause social turmoil, in an effort to cause social turmoil. People eat it right up.

This pretty much fulfills his goal regardless of if it's true or not.
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(07-15-2021, 09:45 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Ex-KGB Dictator's government "leaks" documents that confirm all of the worst fears people had about Ex-KGB Dictator's attempts to cause social turmoil, in an effort to cause social turmoil. People eat it right up.

This pretty much fulfills his goal regardless of if it's true or not.

Well stated.  I would also ask, exactly what strategic objectives did Russia achieve during Trump's four years in office?  Honestly, if I'm recalling correctly, Moscow was rather subdued, comparatively, during the Trump administration.
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I am actually pretty sure that Qanon is the russian FSB.

And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

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(07-16-2021, 01:25 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Well stated.  I would also ask, exactly what strategic objectives did Russia achieve during Trump's four years in office?  Honestly, if I'm recalling correctly, Moscow was rather subdued, comparatively, during the Trump administration.

Note:  I agree or at least lean toward Russia leaking this themselves.  With that said.....

You mean aside from Trump alienating our allies, tearing down decades worth of goodwill, trying to go isolationist and the Russians laughing their asses off at all of the above?  

Maybe no strategic objectives, but I am sure there was a lot of popcorn consumed why they settled back quietly as you say and watched the shyt show.
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(07-16-2021, 09:36 AM)Stewy Wrote: Note:  I agree or at least lean toward Russia leaking this themselves.  With that said.....

You mean aside from Trump alienating our allies, tearing down decades worth of goodwill, trying to go isolationist and the Russians laughing their asses off at all of the above?  

Maybe no strategic objectives, but I am sure there was a lot of popcorn consumed why they settled back quietly as you say and watched the shyt show.

I don't know, I'd call fostering the biggest threat to their democracy that your rival has seen in decades pretty damn strategic.
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Looking like these "documents" might not be so authentic.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/disinformation-experts-doubt-authenticity-of-leaked-documents-describing-a-russian-plot-to-help-trump-in-2016/ar-AAMe1J9?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds
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(07-16-2021, 10:17 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Looking like these "documents" might not be so authentic.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/disinformation-experts-doubt-authenticity-of-leaked-documents-describing-a-russian-plot-to-help-trump-in-2016/ar-AAMe1J9?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds

Thankfully people in this country listen to experts and not laypersons they agree with on social media.  Ninja
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(07-16-2021, 10:17 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Looking like these "documents" might not be so authentic.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/disinformation-experts-doubt-authenticity-of-leaked-documents-describing-a-russian-plot-to-help-trump-in-2016/ar-AAMe1J9?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds

I mean it's MSN saying it - can we really trust the MSM?
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(07-15-2021, 09:45 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Ex-KGB Dictator's government "leaks" documents that confirm all of the worst fears people had about Ex-KGB Dictator's attempts to cause social turmoil, in an effort to cause social turmoil. People eat it right up.

This pretty much fulfills his goal regardless of if it's true or not.

That's what raises my skepticism. I don't see any value for the Kremlin in leaking those documents--unless Putin's people are following Trump's in leaking info to manage in house battles. But I'm not a Kremlinologist.

This leak could only make people more skeptical of social media posts tied to Russia, and why would Russia want that? 
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(07-16-2021, 10:06 AM)CKwi88 Wrote: I don't know, I'd call fostering the biggest threat to their democracy that your rival has seen in decades pretty damn strategic.

Yes, Russia got quite a return on their "investment" in Trump. And that was apparent long before 1/6.

They got a president who was inclined to dismiss his own intel services when intel conflicted with his vanity, and especially regarding Russian espionage. His own generals were prepared to subvert a possible coup.

a president who pulled the US out of the TPP and the Paris Accords, creating a leadership vacuum and an opening for China.

a president who smashed the Iran Deal, and with it US diplomatic credibility among the major players in the world. Now the word of an American president is no good beyond election cycles, and our allies are adjusting their own policies to this new problem.

This list could go on, but I'll just end it here with the claim that, with regards to Russia's anti-democratic foreign policy goals, Trump is the gift that keeps on giving--as shown by the AZ recount, the mass of "Election integrity" laws currently dividing the nation, and his continued leadership and control of an increasingly anti-democratic party with a real chance of winning back the House in 2022. 

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(07-16-2021, 10:06 AM)CKwi88 Wrote: I don't know, I'd call fostering the biggest threat to their democracy that your rival has seen in decades pretty damn strategic.

I meant if they released it themselves, not if it were true
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(07-16-2021, 11:10 AM)BigPapaKain Wrote: I mean it's MSN saying it - can we really trust the MSM?

no
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(07-16-2021, 03:40 PM)Stewy Wrote: no

Exactly, someone is trolling the American mainstream media, knowing full well that they will run with any story that paints negatively on Donald Trump, because they won't even take the time to determine if there is any factual basis or not.
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I don’t understand the big deal about Russia. In 2012 our beloved President laughed at the suggestion they were dangerous. Everyone got a chuckle out of his quick wit. Perhaps if he didn’t think they were such a joke, 2016 wouldn’t have happened.
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