Norway handles migrants

[StLucieBengal]

http://news.yahoo.com/no-means-no-norway-sends-migrants-anti-rape-212933003.html

By telling them it's not ok to rape women. And actually giving a course on the matter.

Sorry but if you don't know that you can't rape women at your pleasure like some sort of animal then you should be shipped out.

What a joke .... The fact They actually think this is necessary is reason enough to close borders and ship these people out.

[GMDino]

(01-21-2016, 02:39 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/no-means-no-norway-sends-migrants-anti-rape-212933003.html

By telling them it's not ok to rape women.   And actually giving a course on the matter.  

Sorry but if you don't know that you can't rape women at your pleasure like some sort of animal then you should be shipped out.    

What a joke ....  The fact They actually think this is necessary is reason enough to close borders and ship these people out.

That doesn't even work with American men...how would it work with those savages?

[Belsnickel]

Interesting fact, rape is a crime against God in Islam as it is sex outside of marriage. In the case of rape, the man receives the punishment and the woman does not. So if they are Muslim, they know not to rape.

Most people know not to rape, really, that just doesn't stop them. It doesn't stop Muslim men, it doesn't stop the Polizei in Germany that have been raping refugees, it doesn't stop clergy of Christian denominations, it doesn't stop anyone. Rape happens regardless of the society, the religions, whatever. Punish those that do it and strive to provide a safe environment for those that are sexually assaulted to report the crimes.

[fredtoast]

(01-21-2016, 02:39 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/no-means-no-norway-sends-migrants-anti-rape-212933003.html

By telling them it's not ok to rape women.   And actually giving a course on the matter.  

Sorry but if you don't know that you can't rape women at your pleasure like some sort of animal then you should be shipped out.    

What a joke ....  The fact They actually think this is necessary is reason enough to close borders and ship these people out.

So are you starting one of these classes in your neighborhood or are you fine with American Citizens raping women?

9.4 percent of women in Norway report being raped.

17 percent of women in Florida report being raped.

You sound silly calling others "savages" when you live among them yourself and do nothing about it.  Why are you n ot telling the savages in Florida that they are not allowed to rape?

[Vas Deferens]

(01-21-2016, 11:45 AM)fredtoast Wrote: So are you starting one of these classes in your neighborhood or are you fine with American Citizens raping women?

9.4 percent of women in Norway report being raped.

17 percent of women in Florida report being raped.

You sound silly calling others "savages" when you live among them yourself and do nothing about it.  Why are you n ot telling the savages in Florida that they are not allowed to rape?

Where did you get this 17% number Fred?  I dont even know what to say if that is the case...

[fredtoast]

(01-21-2016, 02:45 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Where did you get this 17% number Fred?  I dont even know what to say if that is the case...

https://www.fcasv.org/information/sexual-assault-statistics

[Mike M (the other one)]

(01-21-2016, 11:45 AM)fredtoast Wrote: So are you starting one of these classes in your neighborhood or are you fine with American Citizens raping women?

9.4 percent of women in Norway report being raped.

17 percent of women in Florida report being raped.

You sound silly calling others "savages" when you live among them yourself and do nothing about it.  Why are you n ot telling the savages in Florida that they are not allowed to rape?

Post links to both numbers please.
Norway Link and Florida link.
I would like to see what all is bundled up in those numbers.

I see the FL numbers, just need a link for Norway.

[Vas Deferens]

(01-21-2016, 03:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: https://www.fcasv.org/information/sexual-assault-statistics

Quote:General Sexual Assault Statistics

According to the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey, 2010*(1):

Women:

• 1,266,000 women in Florida have been raped at some point in their lives. That’s 17% or 1 in 6 women in Florida. 
• 41.8% of women, or 3,111,000, in Florida have been victimized by sexual violence other than rape.
• 79.6% of female victims who have experienced one or more completed rape experienced the first rape before the age of 25; 42.2% were under 18 at the time of the first completed rape.
  

Men:

• 20.4% of men, or 1,437,000 men, in Florida have been victimized by sexual violence other than rape.
• More than one-quarter (27.8%)  of male victims who have experience at least one completed rape experienced thefirst rape when they were 10 years of age or younger.
  

*For this survey, rape is defined as completed forced penetration, attempted forced penetration, or alcohol/drug facilitated forced penetration. “Sexual violence other than rape” means unwanted sexual contact short of penetration, and unwanted, coerced penetration.

That is ***** horrifying.  What the **** is going on here? 

You're right Fred, we need to focus our attention here at home when it comes to this issue.  

This is really ***** sad.

[GMDino]

(01-21-2016, 11:45 AM)fredtoast Wrote: So are you starting one of these classes in your neighborhood or are you fine with American Citizens raping women?

9.4 percent of women in Norway report being raped.

17 percent of women in Florida report being raped.

You sound silly calling others "savages" when you live among them yourself and do nothing about it.  Why are you n ot telling the savages in Florida that they are not allowed to rape?

I'm sure that 17% is all the savages who immigrated there and never assimilated.

We need a breakdown of ethnicity and probably their religion to make sure we can continue to minimize the crimes of good god fearing white people.  

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Quick question and I only ask this because I don't know and want the answer.

Is it or is it not true that in countries that are under Islamic rule, if a woman is raped they need a witness to the crime to be able to bring charges? I thought I had read somewhere that if a Muslim woman was raped by a Muslim man in a Muslim country, that woman would have to have at least two woman or one man testify that they witnessed the crime.

[Belsnickel]

(01-22-2016, 06:00 AM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: Quick question and I only ask this because I don't know and want the answer.

Is it or is it not true that in countries that are under Islamic rule, if a woman is raped they need a witness to the crime to be able to bring charges? I thought I had read somewhere that if a Muslim woman was raped by a Muslim man in a Muslim country, that woman would have to have at least two woman or one man testify that they witnessed the crime.

There may be countries with that in their laws, however according to Shariah, no witnesses are needed for the rape charge. Also, for regular adultery in Shariah, the women needs to bring no witnesses against the man, but the man must bring three witnesses against the woman. Some countries have corrupted the Islamic laws to be more patriarchal in recent history.

[StLucieBengal]

Belsnick Wrote:Interesting fact, rape is a crime against God in Islam as it is sex outside of marriage. In the case of rape, the man receives the punishment and the woman does not. So if they are Muslim, they know not to rape.

Most people know not to rape, really, that just doesn't stop them. It doesn't stop Muslim men, it doesn't stop the Polizei in Germany that have been raping refugees, it doesn't stop clergy of Christian denominations, it doesn't stop anyone. Rape happens regardless of the society, the religions, whatever. Punish those that do it and strive to provide a safe environment for those that are sexually assaulted to report the crimes.

Don't Muslims see non Muslims as slaves and not real people... They basically have the belief they can treat them like an animal .

[StLucieBengal]

fredtoa Wrote:So are you starting one of these classes in your neighborhood or are you fine with American Citizens raping women?

9.4 percent of women in Norway report being raped.

17 percent of women in Florida report being raped.

You sound silly calling others "savages" when you live among them yourself and do nothing about it.  Why are you n ot telling the savages in Florida that they are not allowed to rape?

See the difference is we can't deport American citizens here in Florida. But in Norway they can deport migrants who are raping away at will.

Citizens need to be sorted by the legal system. But non citizens need to be sent out. Can't follow the laws then we need to get them out.

[Belsnickel]

(01-22-2016, 11:57 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Don't Muslims see non Muslims as slaves and not real people... They basically have the belief they can treat them like an animal .

No. Islam allows for slavery of non-Muslims (according to most scholars) but not all non-Muslims are considered slaves. In fact, other members of the Abrahamic faiths are to be treated the same as Muslims unless they show themselves to be enemies of Islam. What has happened is that through Wahhabist thought the colonialism that the West engaged in has placed us in the status of enemy of Islam for those extremists following the Arab school on the matter and so they use that to justify their actions.

[Vlad]

The  logic around here baffles me. Women get raped in America anyways, so its OK.

Why doesn't a liberal give a second thought to question the character or mindset of people who commit rape after being welcomed into countries with open arms?
 
Because the consequences of your good thoughts deeds are irrelevant. The fact that you are compassionate is whats most important.

[Belsnickel]

(01-22-2016, 01:42 PM)Vlad Wrote:

The  logic around here baffles me. Women get raped in America anyways, so its OK.

Why doesn't a liberal give a second thought to question the character or mindset of people who commit rape after being welcomed into countries with open arms?
 
Because the consequences of your good thoughts deeds are irrelevant. The fact that you are compassionate is whats most important.

It has more to do with certain people being prejudicial in their statements about those involved rather thantwo wrongs making a right. No one here feels that two wrongs do make a right, they are just pointing out these issues exist here at home as well to counter any sweeping generalizations made about certain ethnicities or cultures in an effort to point out that these are people to blame, and not a religion, or a society, and blaming all of those that share a similar background should not be held accountable for the actions of some of the members of their group. For if we do such a thing we might have to take a hard look at some groups here at home. Like America's penis.

[StLucieBengal]

(01-22-2016, 01:07 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: No. Islam allows for slavery of non-Muslims (according to most scholars) but not all non-Muslims are considered slaves. In fact, other members of the Abrahamic faiths are to be treated the same as Muslims unless they show themselves to be enemies of Islam. What has happened is that through Wahhabist thought the colonialism that the West engaged in has placed us in the status of enemy of Islam for those extremists following the Arab school on the matter and so they use that to justify their actions.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/01/islam_and_rape_joined_at_the_hip.html

What do you say to this?

[*bfine32*]

(01-22-2016, 01:42 PM)Vlad Wrote:

The  logic around here baffles me. Women get raped in America anyways, so its OK.

Why doesn't a liberal give a second thought to question the character or mindset of people who commit rape after being welcomed into countries with open arms?
 
Because the consequences of your good thoughts deeds are irrelevant. The fact that you are compassionate is whats most important.

My user guide tells me that that is know as two wrongs make a right fallacy:

Quote:Description of Two Wrongs Make a Right

Quote:Two Wrongs Make a Right is a fallacy in which a person "justifies" an action against a person by asserting that the person would do the same thing to him/her, when the action is not necessary to prevent B from doing X to A. This fallacy has the following pattern of "reasoning":

1. It is claimed that person B would do X to person A.
2. It is acceptable for person A to do X to person B (when A's doing X to B is not necessary to prevent B from doing X to A).
   
   

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because an action that is wrong is wrong even if another person would also do it.
It should be noted that it can be the case that it is not wrong for A to do X to B if X is done to prevent B from doing X to A or if X is done in justified retribution. For example, if Sally is running in the park and Biff tries to attack her, Sally would eb jsutified in attacking Biff to defend herself. As another example, if country A is planning to invade country B in order to enslave the people, then country B would be justified in launching a pre-emptive strike to prevent the invasion.

[Belsnickel]

(01-22-2016, 04:55 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/01/islam_and_rape_joined_at_the_hip.html

What do you say to this?

I say that it doesn't contradict at all what I said. What Islam teaches and what Wahhabist clerics push are oftentwo very different things.

[*bfine32*]

(01-22-2016, 02:40 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: It has more to do with certain people being prejudicial in their statements about those involved rather thantwo wrongs making a right. No one here feels that two wrongs do make a right, they are just pointing out these issues exist here at home as well to counter any sweeping generalizations made about certain ethnicities or cultures in an effort to point out that these are people to blame, and not a religion, or a society, and blaming all of those that share a similar background should not be held accountable for the actions of some of the members of their group. For if we do such a thing we might have to take a hard look at some groups here at home. Like America's penis.

Do you think the best way to focus on these issues at home is to make it easier or harder to migrate to the US? 

Cause it is killing Sweden:

http://www.wonderslist.com/top-10-countries-with-maximum-rape-crimes/

Quote:Sweden now has the second highest number of rapes in the world, after South Africa, which at 53.2 per 100,000. Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women comes out to be the victim of rape. If you look at the number of rapes, however, the increase is even worse. In 1975, there were only 421 rapes reported to the police – in 2014, it was 6,620. That is an increase of 1,472%. It would seem Sweden is a much more dangerous place for women in the world.

Quote:

Sweden has the highest rate of rape in Europe. In 2013, according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå), there were 63 rape cases per 100,000 population reported to the Swedish police.

According to rape crisis advocates in Sweden, 1 out of 3 Swedish women have been sexually assaulted by the time they leave their teens. During the first half of 2013, more than 1,000 Swedish women reported being raped by Muslim immigrants in the Stockholm; over 300 of those were under the age of 15.