Polish senate passes promised reforms to judiciary

[StLucieBengal]

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/07/22/poland-passes-reforms-defiance-eu/

Ran on these reforms and followed through as promised. No need for activist judges. Just follow the laws as written.

Good stuff from Poland.

Quote:Poland’s Senate Passes Reforms in Defiance of EU, Left Wing Protests

Virginia Hale22 Jul 2017

AP Photo/Alik Keplicz

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To become law, the populist ruling Law and Justice (PiS) party’s draft bill for reforms — which would give parliament greater power to dismiss activist judges, and add a responsibility to consider the nation’s Christian values when passing judgements — now only has to be signed by the president, Andrzej Duda.


The government contends that the measures are necessary to reform a Communist-era model which still harbours many judges from that time, and polls show that a majority of Poles believe the country needs judicial reform.

On Thursday, as Poland’s lower legislative house voted through the reforms, tens of thousands of anti-government protesters gathered in cities across Poland —many wielding European Union (EU) flags — chanting, blocking roads, and in one case even attacked a member of parliament.


In 2015, PiS won the first parliamentary majority in modern Polish political history, and Polish parliamentary Commission on Justice and Human Rights chief Stanisław Piotrowicz told Polish television that the left wing groups marching against the government “cannot accept the fact that PiS was given a democratic mandate from the electorate.”

In addition to the protests — which have been covered widely and sympathetically by the West’s liberal media — Poland’s government has had to contend with warnings from Brussels over the reforms.

Breitbart London has previously reported on how the EU threatened has threatened to suspend the nation’s voting rights in the bloc if it continued with the reforms, and senior officials in Brussels have even suggested cutting off funding to Poland.


The Polish government received messages of solidarity on Saturday from Hungary, which has also been threatened by the EU for resisting a compulsory migrant quotas scheme, and for launching a domestic reforms programme aimed at improving the financial transparency of NGOs backed by overseas actors such as billionaire open borders campaigner George Soros.

“The inquisition offensive against Poland can never succeed because Hungary will use all legal options in the European Union to show solidarity with the Poles, said Hungarian premier Viktor Orbán, speaking in Romania.

Calling for “patriotic governance” against the EU, he said Poland was a victim of harassment from Brussels, and asserted that prominent politicians in the bloc were out of touch with the public on issues such as migration — which Orbán stated is the most important issue facing Europe.

“Will Europe be inhabited by Europeans? Will Hungary be inhabited by Hungarians, Germany by Germans, France by the French, Italy by Italians? Who will live in Europe?” he asked the gathering of conservative leaders at Baile Tusnad.

[Belsnickel]

One giant step backwards. This actually dismantles the separation of powers in the country and makes the judiciary the puppets of the ruling party.

[GMDino]

(07-23-2017, 11:24 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: One giant step backwards. This actually dismantles the separation of powers in the country and makes the judiciary the puppets of the ruling party.

Yes but if the judiciary isn't doing exactly what the legislative wants then they are being radical and should be overrun.*  

If I remember my board history correctly.




















*Note: Only of if everything is conservative and anti-immigration.  Judges who agree with the legislative branch on things that are not conservative means both of them should be overrun.

[StLucieBengal]

(07-23-2017, 11:24 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: One giant step backwards. This actually dismantles the separation of powers in the country and makes the judiciary the puppets of the ruling party.

Activist judges are the problem. Maybe if the judges just do their job and not try to legislate from the bench there wouldn't be a need for his stuff.

We have an activist Judge problem here as well and I wish the senate would start going after them.

Judiciary is important but it's become too powerful at times.

[GMDino]

(07-23-2017, 11:32 AM)GMDino Wrote: Yes but if the judiciary isn't doing exactly what the legislative wants then they are being radical and should be overrun.*  

If I remember my board history correctly.




















*Note: Only of if everything is conservative and anti-immigration.  Judges who agree with the legislative branch on things that are not conservative means both of them should be overrun.

(07-23-2017, 11:45 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Activist judges are the problem.    Maybe if the judges just do their job and not try to legislate from the bench there wouldn't be a need for his stuff.  

We have an activist Judge problem here as well and I wish the senate would start going after them.  

Judiciary is important but it's become too powerful at times.

[Dill]

(07-23-2017, 11:45 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Activist judges are the problem.    Maybe if the judges just do their job and not try to legislate from the bench there wouldn't be a need for his stuff.  

We have an activist Judge problem here as well and I wish the senate would start going after them.  

Judiciary is important but it's become too powerful at times.

Activist judges are "problem" for a dictatorial executive.  That is why the US Constitution has a system of checks and balances.

Why would you cheer the dismantling of democracy on Poland and Hungary?

[StLucieBengal]

(07-23-2017, 11:56 AM)Dill Wrote: Activist judges are "problem" for a dictatorial executive.  That is why the US Constitution has a system of checks and balances.

Why would you cheer the dismantling of democracy on Poland and Hungary?

All they did was give them a mechanism to reign in judges who jump the shark.

[Dill]

(07-23-2017, 11:58 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: All they did was give them a mechanism to reign in judges who jump the shark.

All they did was reduce the power of a branch of government designed to check the other two.

Democracy is on its way out unless the remainder of the Polish people can save it.

[StLucieBengal]

(07-23-2017, 12:02 PM)Dill Wrote: All they did was reduce the power of a branch of government designed to check the other two.

Democracy is on its way out unless the remainder of the Polish people can save it.

The Polish people wanted the judges checked. You make it out as if they are arresting judges in the night.

[Dill]

(07-23-2017, 12:06 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: The Polish people wanted the judges checked.   You make it out as if they are arresting judges in the night.

I make it out as if the power of a previously co-equal branch of government is being reduced because the PiS--a "faction" as Madison would call it--wants to control the government.

You are ok with the incremental destruction of democracy in Poland and in Hungary.

[StLucieBengal]

(07-23-2017, 12:33 PM)Dill Wrote: I make it out as if the power of a previously co-equal branch of government is being reduced because the PiS--a "faction" as Madison would call it--wants to control the government.

You are ok with the incremental destruction of democracy in Poland and in Hungary.

If the judges do not try and legislate through the bench then it won't be an issue. Which is exactly what they should be doing anyway.... modern leftists have tried to use the judiciary as a weapon to push their agenda. This is only a check on that to ensure judges think twice before over stepping their responsibilities.

[Belsnickel]

(07-23-2017, 11:45 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Activist judges are the problem. Maybe if the judges just do their job and not try to legislate from the bench there wouldn't be a need for his stuff.

We have an activist Judge problem here as well and I wish the senate would start going after them.

Judiciary is important but it's become too powerful at times.

"Activist judges" is a term used by people who disagree with the rulings of the judiciary. I have some news, the judiciary knows the law better than you, better than me, better than the legislature, and better than the executive. When any government that is set up with a separation of powers that includes an independent judiciary makes it not independent, it is a concerning move and a step backwards in democratic principles. It doesn't matter whether it is the right-wing doing it, or the left, moves like this should concern citizens.

[Dill]

(07-23-2017, 01:23 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: If the judges do not try and legislate through the bench then it won't be an issue.    Which is exactly what they should be doing anyway.... modern leftists have tried to use the judiciary as a weapon to push their agenda.    This is only a check on that to ensure judges think twice before over stepping their responsibilities.

What would be an example "modern leftists" using the court as a weapon--Brown vs Board of education?

[Belsnickel]

[BmorePat87]

Thank god we have Checks & Balances and Separation of Power in this country.

"The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny"