Proof of evolution that you can find on your body

[GMDino]

[NATI BENGALS]

Answers based on science for some reason make more sense than an ancient book full of stories.

[*Nately120*]

No matter how much we learn one can always place "the god I choose to believe in" one step beyond that knowledge. 'tis an unfair fight, truly!

[*bfine32*]

So our hearing got worse as we evolved?

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(03-19-2016, 08:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So our hearing got worse as we evolved?

As did our ability to digest plant roughage.  We lost our tails too, ruh roh.

[*bfine32*]

(03-19-2016, 10:30 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: As did our ability to digest plant roughage.  We lost our tails too, ruh roh.

Yeah,  but losing a tail as we evolve makes sense; it actually confirms evolution. What benefit is there in degrading our ability to hear Scooby Doo?

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(03-19-2016, 11:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Yeah,  but losing a tail as we evolve makes sense; it actually confirms evolution. What benefit is there in degrading our ability to hear Scooby Doo?

It's not that complex.  We are a visual species.  Thus, the individuals with higher visual acuity survived.  Aural acuity not being as important was not a causal factor in survival, or not nearly as big of one, and thus the ability to pass on genetic material.  It's not more complicated than that.

[*bfine32*]

(03-19-2016, 11:22 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: It's not that complex.  We are a visual species.  Thus, the individuals with higher visual acuity survived.  Aural acuity not being as important was not a causal factor in survival, or not nearly as big of one, and thus the ability to pass on genetic material.  It's not more complicated than that.

So degrading our hearing is evolution? 

Why did some useful traits degrade is pretty much the question evolutionist cannot answer; regardless how wordy their response. 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(03-19-2016, 11:29 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So degrading our hearing is evolution? 

Why did some useful traits degrade is pretty much the question evolutionist cannot answer; regardless how wordy their response. 

Again, not that complicated.  Visual acuity has been much more important to our survival.  Even more important was our intellectual ability to function as a cohesive and cooperative unit.  This being the case aural acuity was not a selective factor in survival and thus passing on genetic material.  Or, at the very least, not nearly as important a one.  It pains me to see you struggle with this relatively simple concept.

[*bfine32*]

(03-19-2016, 11:41 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Again, not that complicated.  Visual acuity has been much more important to our survival.  Even more important was our intellectual ability to function as a cohesive and cooperative unit.  This being the case aural acuity was not a selective factor in survival and thus passing on genetic material.  Or, at the very least, not nearly as important a one.  It pains me to see you struggle with this relatively simple concept.

So is that a long yes for degrading our hearing is a trait of evolution?

You got to make it simple for me; because as you suggest, I am struggling with your answer.

[GMDino]

(03-19-2016, 08:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So our hearing got worse as we evolved?

No. The ability to turn our ears was no longer needed when we stopped having ears like other mammals. 

Just like we lost the ability to see better under water.

We don't have a sense of smell as good as some other animals either.  Our brains are devoted to more things than just what our senses can tell us.

[NATI BENGALS]

(03-19-2016, 11:47 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So is that a long yes for degrading our hearing is a trait of evolution?

You got to make it simple for me; because as you suggest, I am struggling with your answer.

When is the last time you used directional hearing to hunt and evade predators?

[Rotobeast]

(03-20-2016, 12:37 AM)GMDino Wrote: No. The ability to turn our ears was no longer needed when we stopped having ears like other mammals. 

This....
Which is because our brains became more complex, being able to take the sound into each ear, compare levels, and deduce the location.

[fredtoast]

(03-19-2016, 08:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So our hearing got worse as we evolved?

Yes.  It started disappearing at the same time human men started mating with women for life.

[*bfine32*]

(03-20-2016, 12:37 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: When is the last time you used directional hearing to hunt and evade predators?

It's probably been about 150 years since this was needed in my country; however, there are place in the world where man has to hunt and evade predators everyday. Why did they evolve to no longer have this ability?

[*bfine32*]

(03-20-2016, 12:37 AM)GMDino Wrote: No. The ability to turn our ears was no longer needed when we stopped having ears like other mammals. 

Just like we lost the ability to see better under water.

We don't have a sense of smell as good as some other animals either.  Our brains are devoted to more things than just what our senses can tell us.

Makes sense if you are from a developed country. Why do men that still could find this trait to be very important no longer have it?

[fredtoast]

(03-20-2016, 11:36 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Makes sense if you are from a developed country. Why do men that still could find this trait to be very important no longer have it?

Because other traits have become more important.

In man complex thought became more important to survival than moving our ears.

[GMDino]

(03-20-2016, 11:36 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Makes sense if you are from a developed country. Why do men that still could find this trait to be very important no longer have it?

I don't know which one you are talking about.

But the general answer would be we all evolved.

If it about the eyesight some groups have maintained an edge over others thanks to their evolutionary area being small.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982203002902

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Volume 13, Issue 10, 13 May 2003, Pages 833–836


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Superior Underwater Vision in a Human Population of Sea Gypsies

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Abstract
Humans are poorly adapted for underwater vision. In air, the curved corneal surface accounts for two-thirds of the eye's refractive power, and this is lost when air is replaced by water [1].

Despite this, some tribes of sea gypsies in Southeast Asia live off the sea, and the children collect food from the sea floor without the use of visual aids [2].

This is a remarkable feat when one considers that the human eye is not focused underwater and small objects should remain unresolved. We have measured the visual acuity of children in a sea gypsy population, the Moken, and found that the children see much better underwater than one might expect. Their underwater acuity (6.06 cycles/degree) is more than twice as good as that of European children (2.95 cycles/degree).

Our investigations show that the Moken children achieve their superior underwater vision by maximally constricting the pupil (1.96 mm compared to 2.50 mm in European children) and by accommodating to the known limit of human performance (15–16 D) [3]. This extreme reaction—which is routine in Moken children—is completely absent in European children.

Because they are completely dependent on the sea, the Moken are very likely to derive great benefit from this strategy.

Much like other animals that are isolated develop unique evolutionary traits.

Evolution is a process.  Like making cheese.  And you can get multiple kinds of cheese by altering the process or inputs slightly so you can get different human traits by altering the factors of human evolution also.

[Westwood Bengal]

(03-20-2016, 11:01 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Yes.  It started disappearing at the same time human men started mating with women for life.

This is actually true. I read an article (a very long time ago) that confirmed that men often have hearing loss in the same range as their wife speaks. 

I wouldn't bring this up as an excuse for failure to (insert menial chore here), for what it's worth.

[*bfine32*]

(03-20-2016, 11:01 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Yes.  It started disappearing at the same time human men started mating with women for life.

Rep