(01-15-2021, 08:07 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Yeah, defending sexism and now this. Dino isn't alone in missing the issue with these sorts of statements, though. So many Democrats, especially Gen X and Boomers, tend to slip into that more often.
Wait...joking about Graham's sexuality is now a faux pas? And I defended sexism?
Damn. Maybe I'm not the uber-liberal progressive some want to label me as?
It's like when I said "servicemen" and a right wing FB friend came at me for not using inclusive language.
Guess I'll go back to just calling out people who distract rather than condemn the Proud boys.
(01-15-2021, 09:17 PM)GMDino Wrote: Wait...joking about Graham's sexuality is now a faux pas? And I defended sexism?
When you joke about someone's sexuality in that way, it comes with the implication that being gay is an undesirable thing. It's a microaggression that happens frequently but is often overlooked. The sexism issue was the thing I brought up about the testosterone.
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
(01-15-2021, 10:09 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: When you joke about someone's sexuality in that way, it comes with the implication that being gay is an undesirable thing. It's a microaggression that happens frequently but is often overlooked. The sexism issue was the thing I brought up about the testosterone.
But I never said it was undesirable. I never even implied it. I said Graham though the leader of the Proud Boys was a bear.
I guess that's in the eye of the beholder given literally everything else I've ever said about homosexuality.
I'm still not sure why a bunch a guy wanting to act tough also having a vial of testosterone, and pointing that out, is sexism but I guess you learn something new every day.
This story popped up today on Twitter because someone shared the video of the officer and claimed it was from today. It is not. It is from this past summer but it is still a fascinating look at what is considered acceptable and how these things are handled.
A sheriff's deputy in Orange County put an unauthorized patch on his uniform that references far-right paramilitary organizations. Twitter/The Democratic Party of Orange County; Insider
A cop in Southern California who wore a patch on his uniform in June referencing far-right extremist groups will not be fired, the Orange County Sheriff's Department announced.
"Although I cannot go into the specific details of the investigation, I can tell you that there is no evidence revealed that show that [the] deputy had extremist views or racial views," Orange County Sheriff Don Barnes said.
The patch, which images showed the officer wore on his uniform while policing a protest against the killing of George Floyd, referenced the "Three Percenters" and "Oath Keepers," paramilitary organizations that have at times embraced vigilante violence.
Barnes said Orange County deputies would undergo training on the threat posed by such organizations.
"The training is being developed," a department spokesperson told Business Insider. "We will be sharing more once it is finalized and being implemented."
At a June protest in Costa Mesa, California, activists opposed to the police killing of George Floyd captured video showing a member of the Orange County Sheriff's Department with a patch associated with far-right paramilitary groups. The story spurred an internal investigation, coming amid reports that fringe extremist groups have been increasingly successful at infiltrating law enforcement. That investigation has now concluded, with the sheriff of Orange County announcing that the deputy will be keeping his job. He and his colleagues will also undergo training on the threat posed by the organizations explicitly honored on his uniform.
The patch in question displayed a logo for the Three Percenters — a movement whose followers, including a former sheriff's deputy, bombed a Minnesota mosque in 2017 — above the term "Oathkeeper," a reference to a paramilitary organization that recently declared the US to be in a state of "civil war." The members of such vigilante groups often appear in public heavily armed, sometimes in uniforms that suggest an official capacity, purporting to uphold their interpretation of the law, sans oversight or legal sanction.
Speaking at a press conference in early August, Orange County Sheriff Don Barnes asserted that the internal investigation into the matter failed to uncover any problematic views on the part of the deputy, whose identity has not been revealed.
"Although I cannot go into the specific details of the investigation, I can tell you that there is no evidence revealed that show that [the] deputy had extremist views or racial views," Barnes said, while noting that the patch was unauthorized. "We are going to hold that deputy responsible for his actions for the policy violation."
Barnes implied the patch was a product of ignorance that could be remedied with education, announcing that as a result of the incident the department "would train our staff on these groups, how they operate, [and] make sure that they are fully informed of the risk they present." A spokesperson for the Orange County Sheriff's Department declined to provide more details on those consequences or the department's efforts to better educate its staff on the threat posed by right-wing extremist organizations.
"The training is being developed," the spokesperson told Business Insider. "We will be sharing more once it is finalized and being implemented." Eugene Fields, communications manager for the Council on American-Islamic Relations' branch in Southern California, told Business Insider that his group — which flagged the initial story in a press release — welcomes "the announcement of additional training." But "we would recommend that, in the future, if deputies see colleagues displaying patches like that, they ask about them." Who are these far-right groups?
Three Percenters, according to the Anti-Defamation League, "are anti-government extremists who are part of the militia movement," the name referring to the claim that a "small revolutionary vanguard" — 3% of the US population — overthrew the British.
The Oath Keepers is a more hierarchical extremist group, per the Southern Poverty Law Center, whose members purport to be "guardians of the republic." After the recent killing of a far-right activist in Portland, Oregon, the group declared that "[c]ivil war is here, right now."
"We'll give Trump one last chance to declare this a Marxist insurrection & suppress it as his duty demands," it tweeted. "If he fails to do HIS duty we will do OURS."
In an August 27 report noting the incident, the Brennan Center for Justice, a nonpartisan policy institute at the New York University Law School, described the Oath Keepers and Three Percenters as "far-right militant groups" that have successfully infiltrated law enforcement.
That report said most courts "have upheld dismissals of police officers who have affiliated with racist or militant groups," while noting that "there will be cases where an officer's behavior can be corrected with remedial measures short of termination."
It is not clear what further repercussions there will be for the deputy in Orange County, who had been placed on administrative leave following initial news reports.
I have to admit that when I saw the video on Twitter this morning I thought it had to be fake based on that badge that looks like it was bought at a five and dime.
(01-18-2021, 02:07 PM)GMDino Wrote: This story popped up today on Twitter because someone shared the video of the officer and claimed it was from today. It is not. It is from this past summer but it is still a fascinating look at what is considered acceptable and how these things are handled.
I have to admit that when I saw the video on Twitter this morning I thought it had to be fake based on that badge that looks like it was bought at a five and dime.
I don't know about the deputy being fired, but there should be some disciplinary action. Also, why not just leave the morale patches on your boog gear and off your uniform? How stupid do you have to be to put that shit on your uniform?
As for the badge, it's just cloth one, which is becoming more and more common for our LE agencies around the country. They've opted for them because they won't get caught on things as much or end up causing harm if a physical confrontation occurs.
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
(01-18-2021, 02:49 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I don't know about the deputy being fired, but there should be some disciplinary action. Also, why not just leave the morale patches on your boog gear and off your uniform? How stupid do you have to be to put that shit on your uniform?
As for the badge, it's just cloth one, which is becoming more and more common for our LE agencies around the country. They've opted for them because they won't get caught on things as much or end up causing harm if a physical confrontation occurs.
Ah! Looked plastic to me. But that's why I searched to see if it was true at all or not.
(01-15-2021, 10:17 PM)GMDino Wrote: But I never said it was undesirable. I never even implied it. I said Graham though the leader of the Proud Boys was a bear.
Dear god, spare us. Your obvious insult requires no explanation.
Quote:I guess that's in the eye of the beholder given literally everything else I've ever said about homosexuality.
You can be ostensibly accepting of homosexuals and still engage in the type of anti-homosexual rhetoric that you displayed. It's actually quite common from people of your ideological bent. One need look no further than joy Reid,
Quote:I'm still not sure why a bunch a guy wanting to act tough also having a vial of testosterone, and pointing that out, is sexism but I guess you learn something new every day.
I understood why he said it. I guess I understand your faux tolerance schtick better than you do.
(01-18-2021, 02:49 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I don't know about the deputy being fired, but there should be some disciplinary action. Also, why not just leave the morale patches on your boog gear and off your uniform? How stupid do you have to be to put that shit on your uniform?
As for the badge, it's just cloth one, which is becoming more and more common for our LE agencies around the country. They've opted for them because they won't get caught on things as much or end up causing harm if a physical confrontation occurs.
Forgot to respond to the first part:
Maybe he knew he wouldn't lose his job or anything would really happen?
(02-04-2021, 09:59 AM)GMDino Wrote: About the time they stop voting republican....when they vote.
If the Trump and Q folks move towards a new 3rd party they'll be all kinds of screwed, I think. Clinging to that R is the only thing that is keeping them from being on the same level as your typical fringe lunatic cult. Our society judges belief systems on how powerful the group is more so than what they actually believe.
You aren't crazy until you're out of the mainstream.
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