06-28-2022, 02:46 PM
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Roe Vs Wade Overturned
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06-28-2022, 02:49 PM
(06-28-2022, 01:53 PM)pally Wrote: WRONG!!! Well the ruling evidently applies to men as well in this strange new bizzaro world where men can get pregnant....
06-28-2022, 02:53 PM
(06-28-2022, 10:41 AM)pally Wrote: The right to personal autonomy over one's body should not have to be spelled out in a country that claims its citizens are free. It is an inherent right . And is covered by the 9th amendment. The 10th does not supersede the 9th just because it is convenient. Gun rights are God given, according to those advocates. How in the hell can the decisions concerning ones' own body be otherwise? Yes it was legal in all thirteen states. The federal government didn't say anything about it. So we are in the same place. I personally would have preferred Roe to stand, but you are pretty much arguing for the way it is now.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
06-28-2022, 02:55 PM
(06-27-2022, 05:45 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The interesting question is would pro-choice people accept a federal law legalizing abortion, but only in the first trimester? Public support for abortion really drops off the cliff after the first trimester. With "autonomy" being used in every argument, I don't know how they think that's ok. They'd be giving up autonomy for 2/3 of the pregnancy.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
06-28-2022, 02:59 PM
(06-28-2022, 01:47 PM)GMDino Wrote: Coincidentally one of the podcasts I listen to did a two-parter on the NRA from its early roots to now. Yeah yeah... everything is those white male's fault. Nothing new here in bizzaro world. Bottom line, it's not in the Constitution, so it is not a Constitutional Right, and the decision is sent to the states to decide for themselves. If people want to make it a Constitutional Right, there is a process for amending the Constitution. Stamping your foot on the ground and shouting "But" is not the process, nor is assassinating Justices, breaking windows, rioting or any of the other crap going on. Meanwhile, abortion is still legal, no back alley clothes hanger abortions are going on, the vast majority are performed with a mail order 2 pill regimen, and the left continues to lie about it. And since you bring race into the issue, it is not lost on me that people support unfettered abortion when percentage wise the majority of abortions are by minorities. Must be more of that racism stuff going on, right?
06-28-2022, 03:28 PM
(06-28-2022, 02:59 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Yeah yeah... everything is those white male's fault. Nothing new here in bizzaro world. Bottom line, it's not in the Constitution, so it is not a Constitutional Right, and the decision is sent to the states to decide for themselves. If people want to make it a Constitutional Right, there is a process for amending the Constitution. Stamping your foot on the ground and shouting "But" is not the process, nor is assassinating Justices, breaking windows, rioting or any of the other crap going on. Meanwhile, abortion is still legal, no back alley clothes hanger abortions are going on, the vast majority are performed with a mail order 2 pill regimen, and the left continues to lie about it. 40% of the justices who overturned Roe were not white males.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
06-28-2022, 03:38 PM
(06-28-2022, 01:53 PM)pally Wrote: WRONG!!! Just out of curiosity, where do you stand on vaccine mandates? Would those not also violate bodily autonomy?
06-28-2022, 03:45 PM
(06-28-2022, 02:59 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Yeah yeah... everything is those white male's fault. Nothing new here in bizzaro world. Bottom line, it's not in the Constitution, so it is not a Constitutional Right, and the decision is sent to the states to decide for themselves. If people want to make it a Constitutional Right, there is a process for amending the Constitution. Stamping your foot on the ground and shouting "But" is not the process, nor is assassinating Justices, breaking windows, rioting or any of the other crap going on. Meanwhile, abortion is still legal, no back alley clothes hanger abortions are going on, the vast majority are performed with a mail order 2 pill regimen, and the left continues to lie about it. Well I mean they WERE deeply flawed. Especially by modern standards. Heck even George Washington would ship his slaves out of PA periodically to avoid the law freeing them if they had residence for 6 consecutive months. And that WAS the nature of the people who wrote that they were going to " establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity". They were talking about themselves. Not blacks or native americans or women. Stamping your feet and shouting "but" doesn't change any of that....or the argument that if it's not in the Constitution then it's not a right for everyone...just in the states that allow it. If you believe our rights are given by some higher power than there shouldn't be any laws taking away those rights. And nothing I said will change anything, from the perfectly legal decision made by the SC to you opinion. But they are still facts and add more to the story. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
06-28-2022, 03:47 PM
(06-28-2022, 03:28 PM)michaelsean Wrote: 40% of the justices who overturned Roe were not white males. Yep. Lies, damned lies and statistics...lol. But we haven't even touched the religious aspect that may have helped "shape" the views of the justices. And I was only talking about why abortion would not have been in the constitution any more than the right to chop down trees. No one thought anything of it. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
06-28-2022, 04:00 PM
(06-28-2022, 03:45 PM)GMDino Wrote: Well I mean they WERE deeply flawed. Especially by modern standards. Would you say that owning slaves made a person an inherently bad person? Would such behavior taint everything else said person did?
06-28-2022, 04:01 PM
(06-28-2022, 03:47 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yep. Lies, damned lies and statistics...lol. I personally never argue that it wasn't specifically stated. Not everything can be stated. I would just argue that no part of the constitution addressed something that it would fall under. To me, and I am not a lawyer or Constitutional scholar, the tenth is more relevant than the ninth in a straight reading. Of course I don't know all of the case law that was built upon those two.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
06-28-2022, 04:33 PM
(06-28-2022, 03:45 PM)GMDino Wrote: Well I mean they WERE deeply flawed. Especially by modern standards. Did I ever say they WEREN"T flawed individuals???? Didn't think so.... and again, if there shouldn't be laws taking away rights, then vote out the state representatives who pass such laws, or better yet, amend the Constitution. Just don't pretend something is in there that isn't.
06-28-2022, 04:46 PM
Am I the only one who thinks vaccines and pregnancy are two different things?
06-28-2022, 05:10 PM
06-28-2022, 05:40 PM
(06-28-2022, 04:46 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Am I the only one who thinks vaccines and pregnancy are two different things? They would not be very different at all if the some government mandate required women to become pregnant.
06-28-2022, 05:46 PM
(06-28-2022, 04:46 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Am I the only one who thinks vaccines and pregnancy are two different things? Vaccine = an external substance emitted into the body to stop the spread of a contagion Pregnancy = an internal substance expelled from the body, viewed by evangelicals as a person before it leaves the body and as an alien contagion after it exits
06-28-2022, 05:52 PM
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06-28-2022, 06:00 PM
(06-28-2022, 05:46 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Vaccine = an external substance emitted into the body to stop the spread of a contagion Horrifying accurate.
06-28-2022, 06:07 PM
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