So Trump?

[McC]

(02-24-2016, 01:04 PM)SteelCitySouth Wrote: One of Cruz' parents (mother I think) is a naturally born citizen of the US.  Also McCain was not born in the US.  There is an constant argument as to what the constitution means in regards to qualification to be a president.  It seems to me that thus far it has only been used to disqualify a first generation migrant.

Seems to me if you're born in Canada, you're a Canadian, regardless of where your parents were born.  Sounds like sliding in through a loophole.  As ridiculous as it seems, children of illegal aliens born in the USA are Americans.  Why doesn't the reverse apply?

I stick to the no more Texans thing.  I don't trust anything that comes from Texas except beef.

[*bfine32*]

Personally I'd take the opinion of those not giving Trump any chances of winning more to heart if they had given him any chance of doing so well thus far.

[Vlad]

(02-24-2016, 12:49 PM)fredtoast Wrote: SN just wants him elected because he is dreaming of an all white united states with black people returned to their subservient position and separated from white people so that white people can be safe.

And people like you and Dino will insist they are reasonable.

[*bfine32*]

(02-24-2016, 01:24 PM)McC Wrote: Seems to me if you're born in Canada, you're a Canadian, regardless of where your parents were born.  Sounds like sliding in through a loophole.  As ridiculous as it seems, children of illegal aliens born in the USA are Americans.  Why doesn't the reverse apply?

I stick to the no more Texans thing.  I don't trust anything that comes from Texas except beef.

If a parent is a U.S. citizen and is sent overseas for a job. While overseas working, a child is born, then the parents return; what country would you consider the child to be a citizen of?

[CKwi88]

This election really drives home the saying "never underestimate the power of dumb people in big groups."

Trump is on the record of loving his voters like SN though.

[Rotobeast]

(02-24-2016, 12:49 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So far Trump has nto been able to garner even 40% of one party that accounts for a third of the general population.  And even among his own party there are more people who hate him than like him.  There is no way in hell he wins a general election.  Americans are not all politcally savvy, but they are not dumb enough to elect Trump.

SN just wants him elected because he is dreaming of an all white united states with black people returned to their subservient position and separated from white people so that white people can be safe.

(02-24-2016, 01:07 PM)Benton Wrote: I don't see that happening. Even Harry Reid could defeat Trump in a national election.

What if Clinton gets the nod and Trump convinces Sanders to run as his VP ?

[CKwi88]

(02-24-2016, 01:28 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Personally I'd take the opinion of those not giving Trump any chances of winning more to heart if they had given him any chance of doing so well thus far.

Count me in this group. I would have sworn the circus would have ended by now. Now I feel it might be my Civic duty to vote Democrat instead of third party this year.

[Sovereign Nation]

(02-24-2016, 01:32 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: This election really drives home the saying "never underestimate the power of dumb people in big groups."

Trump is on the record of loving his voters like SN though.

(02-24-2016, 01:34 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Count me in this group. I would have sworn the circus would have ended by now. Now I feel it might be my Civic duty to vote Democrat instead of third party this year.

So you would vote for a criminal or a socialist that would further destroy this country than for Trump?

Of course continue calling Trump supporters dumb.  At least we don't support a criminal in Clinton or an idealist in Sanders.

[*bfine32*]

(02-24-2016, 01:34 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Count me in this group. I would have sworn the circus would have ended by now. Now I feel it might be my Civic duty to vote Democrat instead of third party this year.

...and I remember about 8 years ago saying to myself. "People have to see the substance behind the color evitually".

I was wrong. Folks like new things or "A change we can believe in".

[McC]

(02-24-2016, 01:41 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: So you would vote for a criminal or a socialist that would further destroy this country than for Trump?

Of course continue calling Trump supporters dumb.  At least we don't support a criminal in Clinton or an idealist in Sanders.

Is idealist a euphemism for crackpot?  Anybody who votes for that guy needs their head examined.

[SteelCitySouth]

(02-24-2016, 01:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If a parent is a U.S. citizen and is sent overseas for a job. While overseas working, a child is born, then the parents return; what country would you consider the child to be a citizen of?

This.  I feel, as I said before the guideline is there to keep a first generation immigrant form the gaining POTUS.  So no Presidentinator.

[SteelCitySouth]

(02-24-2016, 01:33 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: What if Clinton gets the nod and Trump convinces Sanders to run as his VP ?

[Benton]

(02-24-2016, 01:33 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: What if Clinton gets the nod and Trump convinces Sanders to run as his VP ?

It's more likely the Bengals win the Superbowl this June. Or the 'Cards finally hoist up that Stanley Cup.

[BmorePat87]

(02-24-2016, 12:01 PM)McC Wrote: How can Cruz even be President?  He's Canadian.  Don't you still have to be born an American to even qualify?

No more Texans in the White House, please.

No. McCain wasn't born in the US. The Constitution doesn't say born in the US, just natural born citizen. Currently, legal analysts define that as born in the US or born abroad to a US parent. 

[McC]

(02-24-2016, 01:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If a parent is a U.S. citizen and is sent overseas for a job. While overseas working, a child is born, then the parents return; what country would you consider the child to be a citizen of?

But if you're born in Canada and your father is Canadian, how is that not different?

[GMDino]

(02-24-2016, 02:25 PM)McC Wrote: But if you're born in Canada and your father is Canadian, how is that not different?

Didn't Cruz have dual citizenship and then revoke his Canadian one to run for POTUS?

[BmorePat87]

(02-24-2016, 12:42 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Trump just got 46% of the vote in Neveda. This was more than Cruz and Rubio combined. if something drastic doesn't happen by Tuesday you can pretty much write Trump in for the GOP nod.

Regardless of what polls say; Republicans will not stay at home and give the White House to Clinton because they don't like Trump. They are smart enough to realize that a president goes the way of his/her cabinet.  

Something drastic certainly needs to happen, however, even Muslim socialist Obama didn't cause Republicans to come out to support McCain as much as they supported W. I certainly don't believe all 32% of them will stay home, but enough.

[*michaelsean*]

(02-24-2016, 02:25 PM)McC Wrote: But if you're born in Canada and your father is Canadian, how is that not different?

Any parent.  Your parent is a citizen, you are a citizen.

[fredtoast]

(02-24-2016, 01:43 PM)bfine32 Wrote: ...and I remember about 8 years ago saying to myself. "People have to see the substance behind the color evitually".

I was wrong. Folks like new things or "A change we can believe in".

Well, doubling the stock market, raising home prices, and creating millions of jobs was a change that most people agreed with.

[Benton]

(02-24-2016, 02:25 PM)McC Wrote: But if you're born in Canada and your father is Canadian, how is that not different?

His father was a Cuban who fled to America. He was working in Canada, so he became a Canadian. Cruz was born there and his mother — Eleanor Elizabeth Darragh Wilson — was living there at the time. Although being married to other non-citizens and living abroad, she never renounced her citizenship. But, yes, she was still a citizen, so, yes, Cruz is, too.

In the same way if you married someone from Russia, lived in Australia for several years, and had a kid, your kid is a U.S. citizen.

(02-24-2016, 02:30 PM)GMDino Wrote: Didn't Cruz have dual citizenship and then revoke his Canadian one to run for POTUS?

I think you're thinking of his dad. He renounced being Canadian in 2005 and was accepted as an American citizen.