Stop using "hate" when you mean "disagreement" (An opinion piece)

[GMDino]

Seem whenever some publically "attacks" someone else for their stance one side or the other accuses them of "hate".

That word is being as dulled as some on the right say #metoo is.

Are there those that hate?  Of course.  Big world, lots of opinions, lots of idiots.  Gonna happen.

But just because someone vehemently disagrees with a stance you share does not mean they "hate" you.

Hate is what White Supremacists feel for minorities in the US.
Hate is what Nzais felt for the Jews and "undesireables".
Hate is what Malcolm X felt toward the Jews.

Most people don't "hate" minorities or immigrants...they just want to keep "their country".  It's fear of change...not hate...whether they recognize it or not.
Most people don't "hate" Trump...they disagree with him and get so emotionally involved in how he acts and the things he (may have and) has done that they fall back on it to explain their feeling.

Hate is a STRONG word that should not slopped in with "disagree".

Calling names is childish...but I don't consider it "hate".  I *DO* feel it takes away anything else the person who uses them is arguing.  If you can't make a coherent statement without calling the other side names you are too emotionally invested in the argument to think clearly anyway. (My personal opinion.)

"Hate" is being used way too much...and I think it shows more about the people who use it as a crutch to support their arguments than the people they are accusing.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. 

[Au165]

Why you hating on the haters?

[GMDino]

(01-22-2019, 10:30 AM)Au165 Wrote: Why you hating on the haters?

As I was typing I knew that was gonna happen!  


All seriousness aside...I didn't say I hate them...although I have strong feeling about people who don't read the whole thing!!!!    



 

[*michaelsean*]

I think a lot of people genuinely hate Trump, and genuinely hated Obama, but yeah, overall it's not hate.

[GMDino]

(01-22-2019, 11:16 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I think a lot of people genuinely hate Trump, and genuinely hated Obama, but yeah, overall it's not hate.

Agree.  That's why I tempered it with "most".  I know my mother HATES Trump...and no amount of logic will change that.

That's just an emotional reaction when your mind can't comprehend what you are seeing and feeling but you know you don't like it.

And she can make a very articulate argument for all the reasons she feels that way...but I just can't see it as "hate".

[Dill]

(01-22-2019, 11:16 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I think a lot of people genuinely hate Trump, and genuinely hated Obama, but yeah, overall it's not hate.

Some "genuinely" hate Trump, but it's not like that comes out of nowhere.  He has done his best to offend many groups and to behave in hate-provoking ways.

What disturbs me about so many current defenses of Trump is their reversal of causal relation--supporters say people complain about Trump's misogynist and racist behavior because they just "hate" him in some personal sense, not because there is good reason to hate this behavior.

In their minds he appears divorced from accountability for his own actions and words, since those are not what "really" provoke Trump critics, who would "criticize him no matter what." 

Much Obama hatred was rather the opposite.  WORST PRESIDENT EVER because . . . why exactly? He behaved like a dictator . . . somehow?  Presided over seven years of economic growth--but not fast enough?  Got millions on healthcare, but some couldn't keep their doctors?

[BmorePat87]

If you're promoting that certain citizens should be second class citizens, there's a degree of hate there. Our unabashed racist homophobe, islamaphobe, and transphobe is banned though.

[Dill]

(01-22-2019, 11:22 AM)GMDino Wrote: Agree.  That's why I tempered it with "most".  I know my mother HATES Trump...and no amount of logic will change that.

That's just an emotional reaction when your mind can't comprehend what you are seeing and feeling but you know you don't like it.

And she can make a very articulate argument for all the reasons she feels that way...but I just can't see it as "hate".

LOL I'll bet your mother can comprehend what she is seeing and feeling when she hears Trump call the porn star he paid off "horseface."

What sort of "logic" would change that?

[GMDino]

(01-22-2019, 11:42 AM)Dill Wrote: Some "genuinely" hate Trump, but it's not like that comes out of nowhere.  He has done his best to offend many groups and to behave in hate-provoking ways.

What disturbs me about so many current defenses of Trump is their reversal of causal relation--supporters say people complain about Trump's misogynist and racist behavior because they just "hate" him in some personal sense, not because there is good reason to hate this behavior.

In their minds he appears divorced from accountability for his own actions and words, since those are not what "really" provoke Trump critics, who would "criticize him no matter what." 

Much Obama hatred was rather the opposite.  WORST PRESIDENT EVER because . . . why exactly? He behaved like a dictator . . . somehow?  Presided over seven years of economic growth--but not fast enough?  Got millions on healthcare, but some couldn't keep their doctors?

(01-22-2019, 11:45 AM)Dill Wrote: LOL I'll bet your mother can comprehend what she is seeing and feeling when she hears Trump call the porn star he paid off "horseface."

What sort of "logic" would change that?

I think lots of people who "hate" can come up with good "reasons" for it.  I just think those reasons may be good enough to want him out of office, or they may be exaggerated, but they don't rise to the level of "hate".

Again, that's a personal opinion.  I don't like Trump one bit.  I might even have said I hate him as a person.  I find him vile and narcissistic and devoid of empathy or an ability/desire to learn anything as he "knows" he knows better than everyone on all subjects.

Those are all emotional responses to how he talks and acts. 

But I still feel the word "hate" gets overused in discussions ABOUT those subjects.  Do I say Trump is a con man because I hate him?  No, I hate that he has conned so many good people.

[*michaelsean*]

(01-22-2019, 11:42 AM)Dill Wrote: Some "genuinely" hate Trump, but it's not like that comes out of nowhere.  He has done his best to offend many groups and to behave in hate-provoking ways.

What disturbs me about so many current defenses of Trump is their reversal of causal relation--supporters say people complain about Trump's misogynist and racist behavior because they just "hate" him in some personal sense, not because there is good reason to hate this behavior.

In their minds he appears divorced from accountability for his own actions and words, since those are not what "really" provoke Trump critics, who would "criticize him no matter what." 

Much Obama hatred was rather the opposite.  WORST PRESIDENT EVER because . . . why exactly? He behaved like a dictator . . . somehow?  Presided over seven years of economic growth--but not fast enough?  Got millions on healthcare, but some couldn't keep their doctors?

Nobody said it came out of nowhere and nobody is  saying your hate isn't more reasonable.  Nor is your need to protect liberals necessary.  This isn't a partisan thread.  

[HarleyDog]

(01-22-2019, 02:42 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Nobody said it came out of nowhere and nobody is  saying your hate isn't more reasonable.  Nor is your need to protect liberals necessary.  This isn't a partisan thread.  

Well, the OP wasn't, but quickly started turning into one. 

[GMDino]

Reflecting on this a bit I want to post an addendum:

You can "feel" hate for something, but when someone disagrees with you they are not always "haters" who hate you or whatever you are defending.

[Dill]

(01-22-2019, 02:42 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Nobody said it came out of nowhere and nobody is  saying your hate isn't more reasonable.  Nor is your need to protect liberals necessary.  This isn't a partisan thread.  

Always a need to protect liberals, Mike.

But I'll tone it down. My comments weren't meant to "correct" you or imply you didn't get it.  Just me using the occasion to make my own points. Sorry if that came off as "back atcha!"

[*michaelsean*]

(01-22-2019, 03:53 PM)GMDino Wrote: Reflecting on this a bit I want to post an addendum:

You can "feel" hate for something, but when someone disagrees with you they are not always "haters" who hate you or whatever you are defending.

And you can hate something someone does.  I hated things Obama did, but overall he seemed like a decent person.  A good husband and father.  I think the same could be said for W.  Overall probably a pretty good guy, but did some things people seriously hated.  

[*bfine32*]

I "disagree" with this thread.

[GMDino]

(01-22-2019, 04:43 PM)michaelsean Wrote: And you can hate something someone does.  I hated things Obama did, but overall he seemed like a decent person.  A good husband and father.  I think the same could be said for W.  Overall probably a pretty good guy, but did some things people seriously hated.  

And if you listed those things I wouldn't thing you were just "hating"...that is your personal feelings on them.  Nor should it be construed as me "hating" you is I disagree and tried to argue why they were not bad.

I just think less "hate" would make everywhere better.

[*michaelsean*]

(01-22-2019, 05:13 PM)GMDino Wrote: And if you listed those things I wouldn't thing you were just "hating"...that is your personal feelings on them.  Nor should it be construed as me "hating" you is I disagree and tried to argue why they were not bad.

I just think less "hate" would make everywhere better.

Except for Illinois Nazis.