Teacher punished for using the T word

[GMDino]

(10-25-2017, 11:18 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Unfortunately, for you, this hasn't been my experience while absorbing media content for the past eighteen months.  I'll use one topic to disprove your theory, immigration.  One would think that enforcing immigration laws would be rather black and white, the law is the law.  For some reason those laws are now racist and anyone wanting to enforce them is guilty of racism.  I'll wait for you to try and claim otherwise, I do enjoy when you dig your hole deeper and let me rest for a bit.

I believe I said (and I'm sure you will correct me if I didn't) that there are some that do overuse the word racist.  As far as immigration the current POTUS does seem to have a problem with people from certain countries over others.  The citizens of those countries tend to be of darker skin.  He has also made disparaging remarks about entire races (Mexicans) even when they were born in the US (the judge in one of his many court cases).

So I won't claim otherwise.  I will say that using the worst as an example to paint most is unlike what you usually ask for,

(10-25-2017, 11:18 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Then I don't think you know what the word hyperbole means.  I know you try an co-opt the terms of others.  Having never succeeded in actually doing so I have to say I admire you persistence.  Quite the Sisyphusian task you've set for yourself.

So this quote:

(10-25-2017, 01:21 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Utter horseshit.  It's used, the vast majority of the times it is used, to describe a criminally oriented POS.  People don't care about the skin melanin content of the criminal dickheads ruining their neighborhoods, they care about their criminal conduct.  

Is NOT hyperbole? I've said it before and I'll say it again:  If someone denies that the word "thug" is being used racially they either live in a bubble or are lying.  Maybe I just read more.

 

(10-25-2017, 11:18 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: This sentence doesn't make sense.  please try again.

Well it was in response to this quote:

(10-25-2017, 01:21 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: They sure do.  The word racist used to mean someone who judged/disliked someone based on their ethnicity.  Now it means white people who dislike other ethnicities and use their societal advantages to oppress them.  Remember, words evolve and only white people can be racist now.

If that change from "someone" to "white people" doesn't imply that people other than white people were once considered racist but now they are not then there needs to be a better explanation of that sentence.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(10-25-2017, 11:35 AM)GMDino Wrote: I believe I said (and I'm sure you will correct me if I didn't) that there are some that do overuse the word racist.  As far as immigration the current POTUS does seem to have a problem with people from certain countries over others.  The citizens of those countries tend to be of darker skin.  He has also made disparaging remarks about entire races (Mexicans) even when they were born in the US (the judge in one of his many court cases).

So I won't claim otherwise.  I will say that using the worst as an example to paint most is unlike what you usually ask for,

I only wish it was the "worst" example.  If it was you'd have a point.  Immigration law is much older than the Trump administration, and accusations of racism in said laws enforcement is also much older.  Everyone reading this but you knows exactly what i'm talking about and they also know such accusations are far from the extreme.  lastly, Mexican is a nationality, not a ethnicity.

Quote:So this quote:


Is NOT hyperbole? I've said it before and I'll say it again:  If someone denies that the word "thug" is being used racially they either live in a bubble or are lying.  Maybe I just read more.

Uh, no, it isn't.  Again, I have to question your understanding of the word.  I certainly made my statement using strenuous language, the point itself is not hyperbole.  On the contrary, suggesting that the majority of the time the word "thug" is used it is being used as code for the N word, that would be hyperbole.
 

Quote:Well it was in response to this quote:


If that change from "someone" to "white people" doesn't imply that people other than white people were once considered racist but now they are not then there needs to be a better explanation of that sentence.

Except what I said is entirely true.  There is a not insignificant number of people who claim that racism is now defined as societal structure set up to disadvantage a minority population.  Hence, only white people can be racist.  This is hardly a new statement and I don't believe for a second that you haven't encountered this.  Claiming otherwise would shed severe doubt on your level of credibility.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

It took me all of two seconds to find this.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kwzjvz/dear-white-people-please-stop-pretending-reverse-racism-is-real

Tag line;

It's literally impossible to be racist to a white person.

If you want, I could supply hundreds more examples, they're literally everywhere.

Hyperbole?

[bengalguy71]

Even though this is from a 'comedic' perspective, it's still the truth. Most comedy is laughing at ourselves and this is a prime example.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4

[GMDino]

So I described your argument:

(10-25-2017, 09:01 AM)GMDino Wrote: So your argument is that, in your opinion, black people are called racist anymore?  

And you said that description didn't make sense:

(10-25-2017, 11:18 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: This sentence doesn't make sense.  please try again.


I'm sure this would make more sense if the sentence before made any.  Like I said, please try again.

And then said that is exactly what you said:

(10-25-2017, 12:00 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Except what I said is entirely true.  There is a not insignificant number of people who claim that racism is now defined as societal structure set up to disadvantage a minority population.  Hence, only white people can be racist.  This is hardly a new statement and I don't believe for a second that you haven't encountered this.  Claiming otherwise would shed severe doubt on your level of credibility.

Wonderful.

[GMDino]

(10-25-2017, 12:24 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: Even though this is from a 'comedic' perspective, it's still the truth.  Most comedy is laughing at ourselves and this is a prime example.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4

I've often quoted my redneck ex-brother in law.  (He passed away a couple weeks ago.)

But he always said he didn't hate black people...just  ******.

A mutual friend said when he passed that he went from carrying burning crosses through town (true story) to help raise his wife's biracial grandchild.  Life can be funny sometimes.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(10-25-2017, 12:36 PM)GMDino Wrote: So I described your argument:


And you said that description didn't make sense:

It cracks me up that you still don't see.  Key word missing "aren't"

Quote:And then said that is exactly what you said:

I took pity on you and actually responded to the point you were trying to make.

Quote:Wonderful.

Kudos to you for resisting the gif response.  Maybe you're running out?

[GMDino]

(10-25-2017, 12:47 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Kudos to you for resisting the gif response.  Maybe you're running out?

Never!  I was just waiting to see which secret society member was suppose to remind me today!    

[Belsnickel]

(10-25-2017, 12:02 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: It took me all of two seconds to find this.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kwzjvz/dear-white-people-please-stop-pretending-reverse-racism-is-real

Tag line;

It's literally impossible to be racist to a white person.

If you want, I could supply hundreds more examples, they're literally everywhere.

Hyperbole?

Well, reverse racism isn't real, because racism against a white person is still racism. I've seen a lot of these types of arguments, and a lot of it focuses on systemic racism but ignores the daily racism rooted in personal prejudices that everyone carries around with them. With my field of study being in the social sciences, this is the type of thing that I see crop up from time to time. I just wish they would stop with their sweeping declarations and not recognize how nuanced the idea of racism is. Maybe racial discrimination or racial prejudice would be a more accurate term for what most people are thinking of as racism outside of systemic issues, but those phrases aren't going to catch on and so we need to recognize that racism comes in many different varieties, including ones directed at majority races/ethnicities.

[*bfine32*]

To illustrate the point of whether someone other than a white person is considered racist by current mainstream society. Answer this question:

Is Black Lives Matters a racist organization?

[Belsnickel]

(10-25-2017, 01:11 PM)bfine32 Wrote: To illustrate the point of whether someone other than a white person is considered racist by current mainstream society. Answer this question:

Is Black Lives Matters a racist organization?

Well, BLM isn't AN organization, it is an idea or a movement. The idea is rooted in an implicit ", too!" at the end of the statement. Are there people affiliated with the movement that are racist? Yes. But the idea/movement itself is not.

[*bfine32*]

(10-25-2017, 01:16 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, BLM isn't AN organization, it is an idea or a movement. The idea is rooted in an implicit ", too!" at the end of the statement. Are there people affiliated with the movement that are racist? Yes. But the idea/movement itself is not.

The first sentence from their website:

https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/

The Black Lives Matter Global Network is a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission is to build local power and to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes.


So your answer is No, BLM is not a racist organization?

[Belsnickel]

(10-25-2017, 01:21 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The first sentence from their website:

https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/

The Black Lives Matter Global Network is a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission is to build local power and to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes.


So your answer is No, BLM is not a racist organization?

That particular organization that claims to speak for the movement? No idea, don't know anything about them. I'm just going by what the federal courts and leaders of the movement have said in regards to BLM. There is no one, centralized, BLM organization.

[*bfine32*]

(10-25-2017, 01:31 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: That particular organization that claims to speak for the movement? No idea, don't know anything about them. I'm just going by what the federal courts and leaders of the movement have said in regards to BLM. There is no one, centralized, BLM organization.

You are saying you don't know anything about the organization that is the official website of BLM? 

[Belsnickel]

(10-25-2017, 01:38 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You are saying you don't know anything about the organization that is the official website of BLM? 

Correct. I did not know that website existed until you posted that link. None of the big names I know of being associated with the movement are listed on that website, so I can't speak to how "official" it is to the movement, but given the federal courts recently said there is no central organization to the movement I am guessing there claim to that title is viewed without much validity.

Ever since the movement began, my understanding has been that there is no "official" organization, and this is an understanding coming from people at the forefront of the movement. So I am wary of any claims of an "official" organization.

[Benton]

(10-25-2017, 01:21 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The first sentence from their website:

https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/

The Black Lives Matter Global Network is a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission is to build local power and to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes.


So your answer is No, BLM is not a racist organization?

(10-25-2017, 01:31 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: That particular organization that claims to speak for the movement? No idea, don't know anything about them. I'm just going by what the federal courts and leaders of the movement have said in regards to BLM. There is no one, centralized, BLM organization.

(10-25-2017, 01:38 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You are saying you don't know anything about the organization that is the official website of BLM? 

(10-25-2017, 01:47 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Correct. I did not know that website existed until you posted that link. None of the big names I know of being associated with the movement are listed on that website, so I can't speak to how "official" it is to the movement, but given the federal courts recently said there is no central organization to the movement I am guessing there claim to that title is viewed without much validity.

Ever since the movement began, my understanding has been that there is no "official" organization, and this is an understanding coming from people at the forefront of the movement. So I am wary of any claims of an "official" organization.

It's similar to U.S. political parties centered around socialism or communism. There's — last I checked — at least a dozen with multi-state members. Revolutionary Communist Party, CPUSA, Socialist Alternative, NABP, Workers World Party. BLM is a mix of ideology much like any other political group in that some adhere to one part of a message or policy, some to another. And there's plenty of people using it to tag on their own agenda.