Tennessee House votes to create 'monument to unborn children' at State Capitol

[fredtoast]

Why do fetuses deserve a monument?

What the hell did they ever do?

[*bfine32*]

(04-24-2018, 06:25 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Why do fetuses deserve a monument?

What the hell did they ever do?

Why do fetuses deserve to be ripped apart?

What the hell did they ever do?


But to answer your question there is most likely folks out there that had a child they were looking forward to having in their lives taken away from them. Either by illness, injury, or mother's choice. Perhaps they get a degree of solace knowing they were in other's thought. 

[Dill]

(04-24-2018, 07:12 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Why do fetuses deserve to be ripped apart?

What the hell did they ever do?

But to answer your question there is most likely folks out there that had a child they were looking forward to having in their lives taken away from them. Either by illness, injury, or mother's choice. Perhaps they get a degree of solace knowing they were in other's thought. 

Wouldn't such people have their own personal monument? Why would a mother choose abortion and then want a monument?

We don't have monuments to all the people who died in car wrecks or of heart attacks or strokes (what did they ever do?) even if their loved ones would be happy they are in others thoughts. 

Are your "folks" the ones behind the fetal monument, or is it a group of politicians hoping to capitalize on the publicity and support from a specific religious constituency?

[ballsofsteel]

George Carlin's view on abortion:

Why, why, why, why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to f**k in the first place, huh? Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're f**ked.

Conservatives don't give a shit about you until you reach "military age". Then they think you are just fine. Just what they've been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life... pro-life... These people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors! What kind of pro-life is that? What, they'll do anything they can to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it. They're not pro-life. You know what they are? They're anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don't like them. They don't like women. They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state.

Pro-life... You don't see many of these white anti-abortion women volunteering to have any black fetuses transplanted into their uteruses, do you? No, you don't see them adopting a whole lot of crack babies, do you? No, that might be something Christ would do. And, you won't see a lot of these pro-life people dousing themselves in kerosene and lighting themselves on fire. You know, morally committed religious people in South Vietnam knew how to stage a goddamn demonstration, didn't they?! They knew how to put on a ***** protest. Light yourself on FIRE!! C'mon, you moral crusaders, let's see a little smoke. To match that fire in your belly.

Here's another question I have: how come when it's us, it's an abortion, and when it's a chicken, it's an omelette? Are we so much better than chickens all of a sudden? When did this happen, that we passed chickens in goodness? Name six ways we're better than chickens... See, nobody can do it! You know why? 'Cuz chickens are decent people. You don't see chickens hanging around in drug gangs, do you? No, you don't see a chicken strapping some guy to a chair and hooking up his nuts to a car battery, do you? When's the last chicken you heard about came home from work and beat the shit out of his hen, huh? Doesn't happen. 'Cuz chickens are decent people.

But let's get back to this abortion shit. Now, is a fetus a human being? This seems to be the central question. Well, if a fetus is a human being, how come the census doesn't count them? If a fetus is a human being, how come when there's a miscarriage they don't have a funeral? If a fetus is a human being, how come people say "we have two children and one on the way" instead of saying "we have three children?" People say life begins at conception, I say life began about a billion years ago and it's a continuous process. Continuous, just keeps rolling along. Rolling, rolling, rolling along.

And say you know something? Listen, you can go back further than that. What about the carbon atoms? Hah? Human life could not exist without carbon. So is it just possible that maybe we shouldn't be burning all this coal? Just looking for a little consistency here in these anti-abortion arguments. See the really hardcore people will tell you life begins at fertilization. Fertilization, when the sperm fertilizes the egg. Which is usually a few moments after the man says "Gee, honey, I was going to pull out but the phone rang and it startled me." Fertilization.

But even after the egg is fertilized, it's still six or seven days before it reaches the uterus and pregnancy begins, and not every egg makes it that far. Eighty percent of a woman's fertilized eggs are rinsed and flushed out of her body once a month during those delightful few days she has. They wind up on sanitary napkins, and yet they are fertilized eggs. So basically what these anti-abortion people are telling us is that any woman who's had more than more than one period is a serial killer! Consistency. Consistency. Hey, hey, if they really want to get serious, what about all the sperm that are wasted when the state executes a condemned man, one of these pro-life guys who's watching cums in his pants, huh? Here's a guy standing over there with his jockey shorts full of little Vinnies and Debbies, and nobody's saying a word to the guy. Not every ejaculation deserves a name.

Now, speaking of consistency, Catholics, which I was until I reached the age of reason, Catholics and other Christians are against abortions, and they're against homosexuals. Well who has less abortions than homosexuals?! Leave these ***** people alone, for Christ sake! Here is an entire class of people guaranteed never to have an abortion! And the Catholics and Christians are just tossing them aside! You'd think they'd make natural allies. Go look for consistency in religion. And speaking of my friends the Catholics, when John Cardinal O'Connor of New York and some of these other Cardinals and Bishops have experienced their first pregnancies and their first labor pains and they've raised a couple of children on minimum wage, then I'll be glad to hear what they have to say about abortion. I'm sure it'll be interesting. Enlightening, too. But, in the meantime what they ought to be doing is telling these priests who took a vow of chastity to keep their hands off the altar boys! Keep your hands to yourself, Father! You know? When Jesus said "Suffer the little children come unto me", that's not what he was talking about!

So you know what I tell these anti-abortion people? I say "Hey. Hey. If you think a fetus is more important that a woman, try getting a fetus to wash the shit stains out of your underwear. For no pay and no pension." I tell them "Think of an abortion as term limits. That's all it is. Biological term limits.

DROPS MIKE

[fredtoast]

(04-24-2018, 07:12 PM)bfine32 Wrote: But to answer your question there is most likely folks out there that had a child they were looking forward to having in their lives taken away from them. Either by illness, injury, or mother's choice. Perhaps they get a degree of solace knowing they were in other's thought. 

So why just "unborn" children?  Why not all children?

Just more proof that the Pro Life crowd cares more about fetusus than they do children that actually get born.

[ballsofsteel]

Seems most people who have trouble conceiving are against abortion but why anyone else would be so against what a woman does with her own body is beyond me.

[*bfine32*]

(04-25-2018, 08:44 AM)fredtoast Wrote: So why just "unborn" children?  Why not all children?

Just more proof that the Pro Life crowd cares more about fetusus than they do children that actually get born.

Surprisingly you left out the questions I posed when you quoted me, didn't answer them, and asked some more of your own.

As to questions (which I will do the usual thing of actually answering".. Perhaps live  children are their own monument. Kinda silly to ask why there isn't a monument (something built for commemoration) for all children. 

Your second line is just more proof that you just sorta say things.

Now if you wish to answer the questions I posed to you when I answered yours then we might proceed.  

[*bfine32*]

(04-24-2018, 11:50 PM)Dill Wrote: Wouldn't such people have their own personal monument? Why would a mother choose abortion and then want a monument?

We don't have monuments to all the people who died in car wrecks or of heart attacks or strokes (what did they ever do?) even if their loved ones would be happy they are in others thoughts. 

Are your "folks" the ones behind the fetal monument, or is it a group of politicians hoping to capitalize on the publicity and support from a specific religious constituency?

Fred is that you? I see you failed to answer the questions asked but posed many. So allow me to extend to you the same courtesy as I did Fred:

1. Perhaps people do have their own monuments, but they may take solace in knowing others share in their grief. I mentioned nothing about the monuments being for mothers that aborted there children.

2. I am not sure, perhaps you could ask your local government. But if I were to hazard a guess; I would hazard to suggest that the unborn child was never able to speak for his/herself

3. I have a good idea that the local government is constructing the monument because it is something the citizenry want.