The House to investigate claims that Trump told Cohen to lie to Congress

[GMDino]

(01-19-2019, 01:27 AM)Benton Wrote: Buzzfeed is saying they had evidence, Mueller's office is saying the reports "are not accurate." 

That's not the same as saying Buzzfeed is "fake news."

I mean, half of what Trump says is not accurate, that doesn't mean it's all false.

(01-21-2019, 09:58 AM)Au165 Wrote: Woodward and Bernstein also made an error of details in regards to a grand jury indictment about a slush fund that was used to try and discredit their investigation during Watergate. Will be interesting to watch what was right and where they missed when this all unfolds. 

Yes but Trump supporters, and those who feel they have to defend him, are not looking for nuance or reality by their very nature. If they can find even one small kernel of a mistake they will turn that into the entire thing is wrong/a lie.

It's a common tactic, not singularly used by them by any stretch.

What we, the general public, are receiving is at best accurate information filtered through a second or third party. There will be certain inaccuracies and when those are discovered they will need addressed.

We don't know WHAT was inaccurate but clearly something was. Buzzfeed still stands by their story so (hopefully) it will all come out in the wash.

This wasn't a news report that Trump has Elvis' brain in a jar at Mar a Lago...it was a sourced (anonymously) article with reporters putting their names on it and on the line.

And even if it is 90-99% true Trump's base (even those who deny they are in it) will point to the false parts to distract from the truth.

(01-18-2019, 11:53 PM)bfine32 Wrote: But the fellas were getting so moist. 

[fredtoast]

(01-21-2019, 10:31 AM)GMDino Wrote: And eve if it is 90-90% true Trump's base (even those who deny they are in it) will point to the false parts to distract from the truth.

Exactly.  Look no further than the Steele dossier that started this whole thing.  Foxnews and their echo chamber still call it "phony" or "discredited" when in fact most of it has been proven to be true.

Trump has been proven to lie about all of this over and over again.  He said the Russians did not interfere with our election.  Called it "Fake news".  Now it has been proven to be true.  Same wiith the meetings his campaign committe had with Russian intelligence offering info on Hillary.  First he lied and said it never happened.  Then when that was proven to be false he claimed he never knew about it.  Then when that was proven false he claimed it was about Russian adoptions.  Now that has been proven false.  He gets flat out busted lying his ass off and his followers still believe everything he says and claim the media is making stuff up to try and frame him.

Based on what has happened so far with this investigation I am pretty sure their is some solid evidence to back up this recent claim from Buzzfeed about Trump asking Manafort to lie to congress, but even if there isn't that does not make all the other Trump lies go away.  And it does not prove the media is creating "fake news" to try and take him down.

[GMDino]

(01-21-2019, 10:41 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Exactly.  Look no further than the Steele dossier that started this whole thing.  Foxnews and their echo chamber still call it "phony" or "discredited" when in fact most of it has been proven to be true.

Trmup has been proven to lie about all of thjis over and over again.  He said the Russians did not interfere with our election.  Called it "Fake news".  Now it has been proven to be true.  Same wiith the meetings his campaign committe had with Russian intelligence offering info on Hillary.  First he lied and said ti never happened.  Then when that was proven to be false he claimed he never knew about it.  Then when that was proven false he claimed it was about Russian adoptions.  Now that has been proven false.  He gets flat our busted lying his ass off and his followers still believe everything he says and claim the media is makin g stuff up to try and frame him.

Basedoin what has happened so far with this investigation I am pretty sure their is some solid evidence to back up this recent claim from Buzzfeed about Trump asking Manafort to lie to congress, but even if there isn't that does not make all the other Trump lies go away.  And it does not prove the media is creating "fake news" to try and take him down.

And, another good point, is that his base eats up every lie he tells.  "Fact checking", to them, is fake news.  Everything about Trump that is proven to be a lie or exaggeration is only because of "hate" from HIM, according to them.

[Belsnickel]

(01-21-2019, 10:26 AM)hollodero Wrote: A presidential candidate being in negotiations with Russia about a business deal while running is still worth investigating. How is this not a scandal on its own merits?

Because that isn't illegal. There is nothing wrong with a candidate doing that according to law. It's shady, unethical, and made even worse since he lied to the public about it, but none of it is illegal unless he actually directed Cohen to lie (based on information we have currently).

[Au165]

(01-21-2019, 10:54 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Because that isn't illegal. There is nothing wrong with a candidate doing that according to law. It's shady, unethical, and made even worse since he lied to the public about it, but none of it is illegal unless he actually directed Cohen to lie (based on information we have currently).

Isn't it though? Now you'd need to prove it out through an investigation, but if those business negotiations included political promises if he were to be elected couldn't that be considered a Logan act violation?

[Belsnickel]

(01-21-2019, 11:25 AM)Au165 Wrote: Isn't it though? Now you'd need to prove it out through an investigation, but if those business negotiations included political promises if he were to be elected couldn't that be considered a Logan act violation?

Being involved in the negotiations is not in-and-of-itself illegal. Yes, if there was a bit of quid pro quo and winking and nodding, yeah, that could be illegal. As of right now, though, there is nothing publicly available indicating that.

When it comes to the Russia stuff, Congress needs to let Mueller do his thing. There is plenty of other stuff for Congress to investigate or provide oversight for.

[BmorePat87]

(01-19-2019, 01:27 AM)Benton Wrote: Buzzfeed is saying they had evidence, Mueller's office is saying the reports "are not accurate." 

That's not the same as saying Buzzfeed is "fake news."

I mean, half of what Trump says is not accurate, that doesn't mean it's all false.

Unfortunately many have taken it as "completely false". I'm still interested in seeing where this goes. The same was said for the dossier and a chunk of that has been validated. 

[*Nately120*]

Ill admit Trump did something wrong when I hear him admit he did something wrong...er, and it isn't locker room talk bs, of course.

[GMDino]

DJT only hires the BEST people...

Giuliani tells NYer he's "been through all the tapes" and that's how he knew BuzzFeed misreported. Pressed on what he means by tapes, Giuliani: "I shouldn’t have said tapes." Pressed again, says, "I have listened to tapes, but none of them concern this." https://t.co/f1DRUltSRf

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) January 22, 2019

...the BEST!

[Au165]

(01-22-2019, 11:07 AM)GMDino Wrote: DJT only hires the BEST people...

Giuliani tells NYer he's "been through all the tapes" and that's how he knew BuzzFeed misreported. Pressed on what he means by tapes, Giuliani: "I shouldn’t have said tapes." Pressed again, says, "I have listened to tapes, but none of them concern this." https://t.co/f1DRUltSRf

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) January 22, 2019

...the BEST!

[Mike M (the other one)]

(01-18-2019, 03:04 PM)jj22 Wrote: Cohen recorded everything. Trump is setting himself up by lying. But his followers will ignore his recorded voice and figure out a way to still claim Cohen is lying.

Then he deserves what he gets. Let's hear the tapes asap.

(01-18-2019, 03:13 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: His followers are incapable of being honest with themselves.  How do expect them to be honest outwardly, or interpret the truth in an objective manner?  This is the maleable, uninformed population that were the end goal of massive cuts to the education system.  Some people literally cannot put 2 and 2 together.  Who needs critical thought when you can mash F4 on youtube for q breadcrumbs?

***** idiots.

You sir need to stop with your crap. If you want to talk like a semi-intelligent being then do so.
Otherwise cut it out with labeling of all Trump followers.

(01-18-2019, 10:13 PM)6andcounting Wrote: This story was Buzzfeed reporting evidence they never actually saw from anonymous sources. Anyone with a brain knew this was fake news immediately. I'm sure this was fun for the TDS peach mint crowd for the 4 and a half hours it lasted.

Yea, Buzzfeed, a leftist media. Bring out the evidence and let's go from there.
otherwise just another conspiracy attempt.

[Vas Deferens]

Knock it off sweet lips and stop labeling all hamas supporters.

[treee]

(01-22-2019, 09:07 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Yea, Buzzfeed, a leftist media. Bring out the evidence and let's go from there.
otherwise just another conspiracy attempt.

Buzzfeed is a click-bait driven, glorified blog. Calling it leftist media is disingenuous. It's not relevant to journalism or politics at all.

[6andcounting]

(01-23-2019, 04:14 AM)treee Wrote: Buzzfeed is a click-bait driven, glorified blog. Calling it leftist media is disingenuous. It's not relevant to journalism or politics at all.

I  agree with this, but I'd apply the same to all the outlets who report Buzzfeed's stories a news.

[treee]

(01-23-2019, 08:42 AM)6andcounting Wrote: I  agree with this, but I'd apply the same to all the outlets who report Buzzfeed's stories a news.

I'm pretty sure 99.99% of general news orgs probably reported on it. I agree people should get more info from specialized sources.

[BmorePat87]

(01-23-2019, 04:14 AM)treee Wrote: Buzzfeed is a click-bait driven, glorified blog. Calling it leftist media is disingenuous. It's not relevant to journalism or politics at all.

(01-23-2019, 08:42 AM)6andcounting Wrote: I  agree with this, but I'd apply the same to all the outlets who report Buzzfeed's stories a news.

Buzzfeed does have actual journalists working for them to develop a legitimate media brand. It's hard to think of them as being on the that level because of their quizzes, but they're a mixed content media source. 

[Au165]

(01-23-2019, 12:31 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Buzzfeed does have actual journalists working for them to develop a legitimate media brand. It's hard to think of them as being on the that level because of their quizzes, but they're a mixed content media source. 

We have had legit breaking news come from tabloid type websites, and even tabloids, in the past so this really wouldn't be anything new. 

[BmorePat87]

(01-23-2019, 12:34 PM)Au165 Wrote: We have had legit breaking news come from tabloid type websites, and even tabloids, in the past so this really wouldn't be anything new. 

Very true, some people just still view internet media as a completely different beast. 

[GMDino]

(01-23-2019, 12:34 PM)Au165 Wrote: We have had legit breaking news come from tabloid type websites, and even tabloids, in the past so this really wouldn't be anything new. 

(01-23-2019, 12:41 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Very true, some people just still view internet media as a completely different beast. 

The National Enquirer broke the Gary Hart story (for those of you old enough to remember that).

Found this link too.

https://theweek.com/articles/563890/7-stories-national-enquirer-actually-got-right

[Au165]

(01-23-2019, 12:45 PM)GMDino Wrote: The National Enquirer broke the Gary Hart story (for those of you old enough to remember that).

Found this link too.

https://theweek.com/articles/563890/7-stories-national-enquirer-actually-got-right

Drudge Report broke arguably one of the biggest political scandals in history with the Lewinsky reporting.