The Mueller Report thread

[*michaelsean*]

(04-02-2019, 11:06 AM)jj22 Wrote: This is your daily reminder that the Republicans released every one of the 445 pages of the Starr Report about a blowjob.

And Impeached the POTUS because of it.

So you don't really even know what the Starr investigation was about.  You know all those indictments from Mueller people like to crow about? Lots from Starr as well.

[jj22]

A blowjob.

But nice try trying to change the subject from the real point.

Facts matter tho. No bj, no Starr report. #Facts

Carry on believing Trump was exonerated and is working to hide it from the world for reasons very few can comprehend.

I'm proud Dems were fine with the transparency when they were under attack for a "witch hunt".

[*michaelsean*]

(04-02-2019, 11:11 AM)jj22 Wrote: A blowjob.

But nice try trying to change the subject from the real point.

You could just say you don't. You can hurry up and look it up on wiki and then pretend you really knew.

[jj22]

Are you saying if there was no BJ there'd be a Starr report?

Or are you just desperate to change the subject to avoid us knowing you want the Mueller report hidden because you don't want us to see Trump was "fully exonerated".

[*michaelsean*]

(04-02-2019, 11:15 AM)jj22 Wrote: Are you saying if there was no BJ there'd be a Starr report?

Sure there was.

[jj22]

Just speak your truth and say what you feel. Time for Americans to quit hiding behind the "I don't support Trump but...." "I didn't vote for Trump but......" safety blanket. As they attack Clinton, Dems, Obama, etc.

If you are fine with the Mueller report being hidden or having info redacted then just say so. Don't try to flip it on Dems who showed you how to handle a "witch hunt" (by allowing for the full report to be released and allowing for the impeachment that it demanded all because of far less than what Trump has and is doing).

You guys are trying too hard to cover up this "hoax".

#Releasethefullreport

[GMDino]

(04-02-2019, 11:11 AM)michaelsean Wrote: So you don't really even know what the Starr investigation was about.  You know all those indictments from Mueller people like to crow about?  Lots from Starr as well.

A land deal.

But they got Clinton lying about the affair and Star said:

Quote:Clinton performed actions that were "inconsistent with the president's constitutional duty to faithfully execute the laws" and outlined a case for impeaching him on 11 possible grounds, including perjury, obstruction of justice, witness tampering and abuse of power.[7]

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As to the indictments:

[url=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/caught-in-the-whitewater-net/]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/caught-in-the-whitewater-net/

Quote:Whitewater prosecutors cast such a wide net in Arkansas that they yielded a good-sized catch, even though the big fish seem to have gotten away.



The prime quarry of investigators, who started work in 1994, were President Clinton and his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton. Mr. Clinton was cleared of any wrongdoing by special prosecutor Kenneth Starr in November and Mrs. Clinton has not been charged.

Nevertheless, the investigation resulted in 14 convictions and two acquittals. The last six indictments, handed down in April, were dismissed by a judge in July.

I forgot they got a bunch of folks on the financial end.  That got lost in the BJ story.

[*michaelsean*]

(04-02-2019, 11:21 AM)jj22 Wrote: Just speak your truth and say what you feel. Time for Americans to quit hiding behind the "I don't support Trump but...." "I didn't vote for Trump but......" safety blanket. As they attack Clinton, Dems, Obama, etc.

If you are fine with the Mueller report being hidden or having info redacted then just say so. Don't try to flip it on Dems who showed you how to handle a "witch hunt" (by allowing for the full report to be released and allowing for the impeachment that it demanded all because of far less than what Trump has and is doing).

You guys are trying too hard to cover up this "hoax".

#Releasethefullreport

Or next time just bold the parts of your statement you want people to pay attention to so we know the rest should be ignored.  You can go look up the number of people indicted and convicted in the Starr investigation. 

How exactly did the Dems "allow" an impeachment, or is that one of your statements we should ignore?

[*michaelsean*]

(04-02-2019, 11:25 AM)GMDino Wrote: A land deal.

But they got Clinton lying about the affair and Star said:


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As to the indictments:

[url=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/caught-in-the-whitewater-net/]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/caught-in-the-whitewater-net/



I forgot they got a bunch of folks on the financial end.  That got lost in the BJ story.

That's all I'm saying.  The actual investigation nailed a lot of people.  The secondary investigation nailed Clinton, not on the BJ, but on what he did after.  Perjury, obstruction, and tampering with witnesses although I can't remember if all of those were in the impeachment.  

[BmorePat87]

The Clinton investigation was pretty broad, looking at abuses of power in Arkansas and the White House, and eventually focused on the Lewinsky affair after Linda Tripp revealed it while they were investigating the Paula Jones accusations. It didn't start with a BJ, it only ended with it.

What they eventually got him on were the various crimes involving lying and trying to cover up the Lewinksky affair, which if Trump had lied under oath as well or tried to obstruct justice, Democrats would be calling for impeachment. Whether or not there is a case for him obstructing justice won't be known until the report is made public.

The Starr Report dropped online 2 days after Congress got it.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(04-02-2019, 11:39 AM)michaelsean Wrote: That's all I'm saying.  The actual investigation nailed a lot of people.  The secondary investigation nailed Clinton, not on the BJ, but on what he did after.  Perjury, obstruction, and tampering with witnesses although I can't remember if all of those were in the impeachment.  

Trust me, dude.  Everyone here but one person got that.

[Bengalzona]

(04-02-2019, 11:25 AM)GMDino Wrote: A land deal.

But they got Clinton lying about the affair and Star said:


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As to the indictments:

[url=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/caught-in-the-whitewater-net/]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/caught-in-the-whitewater-net/



I forgot they got a bunch of folks on the financial end.  That got lost in the BJ story.

BJ's are clearly a more titillating story.

[GMDino]

(04-02-2019, 12:43 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: BJ's are clearly a more titillating story.

Clearly. A PTOUS having an affair?  Top news.  Lying under oath about it?  Bigger news.

Tax evasion, fraud and some shady business deals?  Business as usual for Trump.  

All seriousness aside the US loves to hate anything sexual and can't stop watching when they see it.

[Bengalzona]

(04-02-2019, 01:07 PM)GMDino Wrote: Clearly. A PTOUS having an affair?  Top news.  Lying under oath about it?  Bigger news.

Tax evasion, fraud and some shady business deals?  Business as usual for Trump.  

All seriousness aside the US loves to hate anything sexual and can't stop watching when they see it.

Not sure if the U.S. cares about the lying part anymore. I mean, look at the current POTUS. Guy can't wake up in the morning with out making up something to try and place some kind of spin.

[NATI BENGALS]

Figured i would stop in to see whats going on in this thread. Page 15 and here we are talking about the Clintons. Instead of the actual shit show in power.

[*michaelsean*]

(04-02-2019, 06:32 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Figured i would stop in to see whats going on in this thread. Page 15 and here we are talking about the Clintons. Instead of the actual shit show in power.

Talk to JJ. He brought them up.

[Dill]

(04-02-2019, 06:32 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Figured i would stop in to see whats going on in this thread. Page 15 and here we are talking about the Clintons. Instead of the actual shit show in power.

Dems!!  Still trying to get us all to ignore the Clinton mess

[jj22]

Trump is now saying calls for the report to be released is a disgrace.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/trump-no-longer-enthusiastic-about-releasing-mueller-report.html

And to think he had people (including some in this thread) fooled.

This isn't how someone who was "fully exonerated" acts.

But Trump supporters are desperately trying to persuade us into thinking he and Republicans want his exoneration hidden from the world. It's just not working. Trump has lost control of the narrative and his attempted ACA and border closing distraction didn't work either.

[Belsnickel]

Some on Mueller’s Team See Their Findings as More Damaging for Trump Than Barr Revealed

Quote:WASHINGTON — Some of Robert S. Mueller III’s investigators have told associates that Attorney General William P. Barr failed to adequately portray the findings of their inquiry and that they were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. Barr indicated, according to government officials and others familiar with their simmering frustrations.

At stake in the dispute — the first evidence of tension between Mr. Barr and the special counsel’s office — is who shapes the public’s initial understanding of one of the most consequential government investigations in American history. Some members of Mr. Mueller’s team are concerned that, because Mr. Barr created the first narrative of the special counsel’s findings, Americans’ views will have hardened before the investigation’s conclusions become public.

Mr. Barr has said he will move quickly to release the nearly 400-page report but needs time to scrub out confidential information. The special counsel’s investigators had already written multiple summaries of the report, and some team members believe that Mr. Barr should have included more of their material in the four-page letter he wrote on March 24 laying out their main conclusions, according to government officials familiar with the investigation. Mr. Barr only briefly cited the special counsel’s work in his letter.

However, the special counsel’s office never asked Mr. Barr to release the summaries soon after he received the report, a person familiar with the investigation said. And the Justice Department quickly determined that the summaries contain sensitive information, like classified material, secret grand-jury testimony and information related to current federal investigations that must remain confidential, according to two government officials.

Mr. Barr was also wary of departing from Justice Department practice not to disclose derogatory details in closing an investigation, according to two government officials familiar with Mr. Barr’s thinking. They pointed to the decision by James B. Comey, the former F.B.I. director, to harshly criticize Hillary Clinton in 2016 while announcing that he was recommending no charges in the inquiry into her email practices.

The officials and others interviewed declined to flesh out why some of the special counsel’s investigators viewed their findings as potentially more damaging for the president than Mr. Barr explained, although the report is believed to examine Mr. Trump’s efforts to thwart the investigation. It was unclear how much discussion Mr. Mueller and his investigators had with senior Justice Department officials about how their findings would be made public. It was also unclear how widespread the vexation is among the special counsel team, which included 19 lawyers, about 40 F.B.I. agents and other personnel.

At the same time, Mr. Barr and his advisers have expressed their own frustrations about Mr. Mueller and his team. Mr. Barr and other Justice Department officials believe the special counsel’s investigators fell short of their task by declining to decide whether Mr. Trump illegally obstructed the inquiry, according to the two government officials. After Mr. Mueller made no judgment on the obstruction matter, Mr. Barr stepped in to declare that he had cleared Mr. Trump of wrongdoing.

Representatives for the Justice Department and the special counsel declined to comment on Wednesday on views inside both Mr. Mueller’s office and the Justice Department. They pointed to departmental regulations requiring Mr. Mueller to file a confidential report to the attorney general detailing prosecution decisions and to Mr. Barr’s separate vow to send a redacted version of that report to Congress. Under the regulations, Mr. Barr can publicly release as much of the document as he deems appropriate.

A debate over how the special counsel’s conclusions are represented has played out in public as well as in recent weeks, with Democrats in Congress accusing Mr. Barr of intervening to color the outcome of the investigation in the president’s favor.

In his letter to Congress outlining the report’s chief conclusions, Mr. Barr said that Mr. Mueller found no conspiracy between Mr. Trump’s campaign and Russia’s 2016 election interference. While Mr. Mueller made no decision on his other main question, whether the president illegally obstructed the inquiry, he explicitly stopped short of exonerating Mr. Trump.

Mr. Mueller’s decision to skip a prosecutorial judgment “leaves it to the attorney general to determine whether the conduct described in the report constitutes a crime,” Mr. Barr wrote. He and his deputy, Rod J. Rosenstein, decided that the evidence was insufficient to conclude that Mr. Trump had committed an obstruction offense.

Mr. Barr has come under criticism for sharing so little. But according to officials familiar with the attorney general’s thinking, he and his aides limited the details they revealed because they were worried about wading into political territory. Mr. Barr and his advisers expressed concern that if they included derogatory information about Mr. Trump while clearing him, they would face a storm of criticism like what Mr. Comey endured in the Clinton investigation.

Legal experts attacked Mr. Comey at the time for violating Justice Department practice to keep confidential any negative information about anyone uncovered during investigations. The practice exists to keep from unfairly sullying people’s reputations without giving them a chance to respond in court.

Mr. Rosenstein cited the handling of the Clinton case in a memo the White House used to rationalize Mr. Trump’s firing of Mr. Comey.

Though it was not clear what findings the special counsel’s investigators viewed as troubling for the president, Mr. Barr has suggested that Mr. Mueller may have found evidence of malfeasance in investigating possible obstruction of justice. “The report sets out evidence on both sides of the question,” Mr. Barr wrote in his March 24 letter.

Mr. Mueller examined Mr. Trump’s attempts to maintain control over the investigation, including his firing of Mr. Comey and his attempt to oust Mr. Mueller and Attorney General Jeff Sessions to install a loyalist to oversee the inquiry.

The fallout from Mr. Barr’s letter outlining the Russia investigation’s main findings overshadowed his intent to make public as much of the entire report as possible, a goal he has stressed since his confirmation hearing in January. He reiterated to lawmakers on Friday that he wanted both Congress and the public to read the report and said that the department would by mid-April furnish a version with sensitive material blacked out. He offered to testify on Capitol Hill soon after turning over the report.

Mr. Barr, who took office in February, has shown flashes of frustration over how the unveiling of the investigation’s findings has unfolded. In his follow-up letter to lawmakers on Friday, he chafed at how the news media and some lawmakers had characterized his March 24 letter.

Mr. Barr and Mr. Mueller have been friends for 30 years, and Mr. Barr said during his confirmation hearing in January that he trusted Mr. Mueller to conduct an impartial investigation. He said he told Mr. Trump that Mr. Mueller was a “straight shooter who should be dealt with as such.” Mr. Mueller served as the head of the Justice Department’s criminal division when Mr. Barr was attorney general under George Bush, and their families are friends.

Mr. Barr’s promises of transparency have done little to appease Democrats who control the House. The House Judiciary Committee voted on Wednesday to let its chairman use a subpoena to try to compel Mr. Barr to hand over a full copy of the Mueller report and its underlying evidence to Congress. The chairman, Representative Jerrold Nadler, Democrat of New York, has not said when he will use the subpoena, but made clear on Wednesday that he did not trust Mr. Barr’s characterization of what Mr. Mueller’s team found.

“The Constitution charges Congress with holding the president accountable for alleged official misconduct,” Mr. Nadler said. “That job requires us to evaluate the evidence for ourselves — not the attorney general’s summary, not a substantially redacted synopsis, but the full report and the underlying evidence.”

Republicans, who have embraced Mr. Barr’s letter clearing Mr. Trump, have accused the Democrats of trying to prolong the cloud over his presidency and urged them to move on.

Mr. Trump has fully embraced Mr. Barr’s version of events. For days, he has pronounced the outcome of the investigation a “complete and total exoneration” and called for the Justice Department and his allies on Capitol Hill to investigate and hold accountable those responsible for opening the inquiry.

[*bfine32*]

(04-03-2019, 09:40 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Some on Mueller’s Team See Their Findings as More Damaging for Trump Than Barr Revealed

No idea if any of it is true or not but I stopped right about "some told associates"