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(04-23-2019, 03:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So basically you knew he was biased yet you refused to look at any other source?
Let me ask you this. Why did you even bother to wait for Barr's summary before making your decision on the investigation.
Because those that did make their decision before the release now look like idiots and are currently engaged in damage control. Never said I refuse to look at any other source. I just know the source that matters is Congress.
(04-23-2019, 03:19 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Maybe.
But unlike you I am aware that Clinton could have spoken to Lynch anytime he wanted to. He had no reason to wait for a brief meeting on a plane.
Where did I suggest Clinton couldn't have talked to Lynch anytime he wanted? This is a well versed practice of introducing a straw man and then arguing the straw man.
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(04-23-2019, 03:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Because those that did make their decision before the release now look like idiots and are currently engaged in damage control. Never said I refuse to look at any other source. I just know the source that matters is Congress.
Where did I suggest Clinton couldn't have talked to Lynch anytime he wanted? This is a well versed practice of introducing a straw man and then arguing the straw man.
This is just silly.
Quote:Everyone: Trump junior took a meeting with russians after they promised to give dirt on Hillary then not only lied about it but had his dad write a letter to cover/lie about it too. The Mueller report confirmed it and also that even though Trump and his minions WANTED to break the law they couldn't figure out how to do it. They just lied about it because they knew they WANTED to and were afraid of getting caught. Barr then lied about the summation right up and including when he finally released it.
bfine: Just like that time Clinton talked with Lynch and I assume it was VERY nefarious even though they could have talked anytime anywhere but they chose to do it in public anyway! See? Both sides!!
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Well we don't have to worry about Impeachment now.
Noted Historian and expert on government (and stable genius) Donald J Trump will sue to stop it.
Edit for the accuracy crowd: He didn't say he would "sue" he said he will head to the SC. So he'll just ask them nicely probably.
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(04-24-2019, 09:46 AM)GMDino Wrote:
His cost estimate is surprisingly accurate. It saddens me to think I was surprised by the truthfulness coming from the POTUS.
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(04-24-2019, 01:52 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: His cost estimate is surprisingly accurate. It saddens me to think I was surprised by the truthfulness coming from the POTUS.
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Indeed he got close. That's the low bar for Trump.
He didn't mention that the investigation may be in the black thanks to the Manafort money.
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(04-24-2019, 09:46 AM)GMDino Wrote: Well we don't have to worry about Impeachment now.
Noted Historian and expert on government (and stable genius) Donald J Trump will sue to stop it.
Edit for the accuracy crowd: He didn't say he would "sue" he said he will head to the SC. So he'll just ask them nicely probably.
Whatever the merits of Trump's argument as an argument, I have to say I am just as disturbed by the tone and diction. This sounds like an angry middle-schooler. "Adult" is a language he never speaks.
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https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/04/twitter-shuts-down-network-of-5000-possibly-saudi-pro-trump-bots/
Quote:Twitter has suspended over 5,000 accounts tied to a network amplifying a message denouncing the report by Special Counsel Robert Mueller as a "RussiaGate hoax." According to a researcher, the accounts—most of which had only posted three or four times in the past—were connected to other accounts previously used to post pro-Saudi messages.
In response to an inquiry by Ars, a Twitter spokeswoman said, "We suspended a network of accounts and others associated with it for engaging in platform manipulation—a violation of the Twitter Rules." An investigation into the network is still ongoing, the spokeswoman said, but no determination has yet been made about who was behind the campaign.
"In cases such as this, attribution is difficult," the spokeswoman noted. "If we do have reasonable evidence to support state-backed activity, we will disclose the accounts as part of our information operations archive." (This archive is the data repository used to reveal operations of networks previously tied to election manipulation and other state-backed information operations.)
Most of the accounts had very few posts—as few as three. All of the accounts frequently retweeted content from the account @TheGlobus, previously named Arabian Veritas, according to information shared with NBC News by researchers who uncovered the network and analysis by Foreign Policy Research Institute senior fellow Clint Watts. Watts is also a non-resident fellow of the Alliance for Securing Democracy at the German Marshall Fund—the organization behind the Hamilton 68 project, an effort to track Russian disinformation campaigns on social media.
In a phone conversation with Ars, Watts said that the effort was "really rough" and focused mostly on raising the visibility on Twitter of hashtags such as #RussiaGate—hashtags used by Sean Hannity and other Trump supporters in posts supporting the President and dismissing the Mueller report's findings. Watts said that the messages were clearly targeted at a US audience.
One of the tweets distributed by the bot network read, "The people screaming about Trump working for Russia are the same people demanding social media censor 'misinformation', Stop listening to these people."
The renaming of the Twitter account was part of an effort to make it look like a legitimate news outlet. @TheGlobus was linked to the website theglobus.net, a now-empty site formatted as a news site. The domain for The Globus was registered through Tucows in October 2017 and was most recently updated in March—when it was moved behind the Cloudflare content distribution network. A check of the timeline of the account from its last snapshot on April 20, 2019 on Internet Archive shows a series of news "stories" (without actual links to content) presenting positive messages about the governments of Saudi Arabia and Egypt, negative stories about Iran and Turkey, and summaries of stories from Fox News and other sources about the Mueller investigation. The account only had 126 tweets but had 21.2 thousand followers—at least 5,000 of which appeared to be "bots."
This is not the first time a campaign tied to Saudi interests resulted in a takedown of Twitter accounts. Last October, a group of accounts propagated messages praising Saudi leadership and used a hashtag that translates from Arabic as "We all trust Mohammad Bin Salman." The accounts also denounced reports tying Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman to the killing of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi as "false statements" by those "waging a war against the Kingdom." And according to a New York Times report last October, the Saudis had a spy working inside Twitter to help track dissent on the platform—and had an army of over 100 people working as a "troll farm" to go after dissidents like Khashoggi online. But this latest effort appears to have no connection to those efforts.
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(04-24-2019, 02:59 PM)Dill Wrote: Whatever the merits of Trump's argument as an argument, I have to say I am just as disturbed by the tone and diction. This sounds like an angry middle-schooler. "Adult" is a language he never speaks.
Whether you get it or not is irrelevant, right? His base speaks "Middle School" just fine. 
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This is why you want Trump under oath.
This is why you want Trump under oath. He's just gonna lie. Or claim he "can't recall".
What a loser.
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(04-25-2019, 11:09 AM)GMDino Wrote: This is why you want Trump under oath.
This is why you want Trump under oath. He's just gonna lie. Or claim he "can't recall".
What a loser.
I'm curious why Trump doesn't focus his ire towards MGahn, who said that is what he was told and said over the weekend that Mueller's report accurately portrays his telling of the account.
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(04-25-2019, 12:02 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm curious why Trump doesn't focus his ire towards MGahn, who said that is what he was told and said over the weekend that Mueller's report accurately portrays his telling of the account.
My guess is that he can't say McGahn is bad since HE hired him and kept him around. But Trump CAN keep up the attacks on the "fake news" (which, in reality was dead on with their reporting) because that helps keep his base from believing all the news abut him.
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(04-25-2019, 12:13 PM)GMDino Wrote: My guess is that he can't say McGahn is bad since HE hired him and kept him around.
That didn't stop him before though.
Rex Tillerson is dumb as a rock and lazy as hell. Jeff Sessions is disloyal and disgraceful. Omarosa is a dog. And so on.
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(04-25-2019, 02:51 PM)hollodero Wrote: That didn't stop him before though.
Rex Tillerson is dumb as a rock and lazy as hell. Jeff Sessions is disloyal and disgraceful. Omarosa is a dog. And so on.
No one ever said DJT was consistent or sane.
In fact many are saying his erratic ways justify the defense of his obstruction attempts because he says so many crazy things you never know his intent.
He's so crazy he can't be charged.
That's a legitimate argument coming from the right.
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Quote:Barr warns House Dems he might not appear at hearing
Attorney General William Barr has warned House Democrats that he might not appear as scheduled this week in front of the Judiciary Committee, The Hill has confirmed.
Barr has told Democrats they need to change the proposed format for the hearing, CNN first reported Sunday, citing an unidentified source.
In addition to five minutes of questioning for each member of the committee, Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), the chairman of the committee, has proposed a round that would allow for each side to question Barr for 30 minutes, a source said. That round of questioning also would allow the committee counsels for both parties to question Barr.
Nadler also has proposed having the committee enter a closed session to discuss redacted sections of special counsel Robert Mueller's report, the source added.
Barr has rejected the additional rounds of questioning, but it's possible he and Democrats could reach a deal before Thursday, when the hearing is scheduled.
A Department of Justice spokesperson said in a statement that "members of Congress should be the ones doing the questioning."
“The Attorney General agreed to appear before Congress. Therefore, Members of Congress should be the ones doing the questioning. He remains happy to engage with Members on their questions regarding the Mueller report," said spokesperson Kerri Kupec.
Lawmakers are expected to grill Barr on the Mueller report, which was made public earlier this month.
Barr held a press conference immediately ahead of the report's release and has been accused of misrepresenting its findings.
Mueller's report did not find evidence that the Trump campaign conspired with Russia ahead of the 2016 election, but the report notes that the campaign believed it would benefit from Russia's interference and that Russia believed it would benefit from a Trump presidency.
Mueller also outlined several instances in which the president potentially obstructed justice.
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I vaguely remember people talking about how DJT LOVES to sue to try and stall and get his way and how there were hundreds of lawsuits he was still involved in before getting elected and how he would try and use the courts to fight any perceived "attack" on him no matter if it is legitimate or not.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/04/29/donald-trump-sues-deutsche-bank-capital-one-block-subpoenas/3624327002/
Quote:Donald Trump sues Deutsche Bank, Capital One in attempt to block congressional subpoenas
President Donald Trump is suing Deutsche Bank and Capital One in an effort to prevent them from providing financial records requested through congressional subpoenas.
In a lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court Southern District of New York late Monday, Trump asked the court to declare the subpoenas invalid and prevent the banks from complying with the orders.
The complaint is the latest in a series of disputes between the White House and Congress regarding Trump’s conduct. The president last week filed a federal lawsuit to block the Democratic-controlled House from obtaining financial records from his business’s longtime accountant.
“The subpoenas were issued to harass President Donald J. Trump, to rummage through every aspect of his personal finances, his businesses, and the private information of the President and his family, and to ferret about for any material that might be used to cause him political damage,” the lawsuit states. “No grounds exist to establish any purpose other than a political one.”
The chairs of the House financial services and intelligence committees, Reps. Maxine Waters and Adam Schiff, respectively, said in a joint statement that the lawsuit was “meritless.”
“This lawsuit is not designed to succeed; it is only designed to put off meaningful accountability as long as possible,” they said.
At least six congressional committees are investigating Trump's personal finances, his inauguration committee, his business practices before he took office and his conduct since assuming the presidency for evidence of corruption or abuse.
Previously, Trump told reporters he will resist every subpoena. He has refused to provide his tax returns, breaking from more than 40 years of tradition by presidents and nominees.
"We're fighting all the subpoenas. These aren't like impartial people. The Democrats are trying to win 2020," Trump said last week. "The only way they can luck out is by constantly going after me on nonsense."
I know Obama fought subpoenas in the gun running Fast & Furious program too. Did they sue to stop the investigation? I didn't look that up yet.
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Meanwhile: https://news.yahoo.com/deutsche-bank-handing-over-trump-loan-documents-source-204456712.html
Quote:New York (AFP) - Deutsche Bank has begun to provide documents on financing for some of President Donald Trump's projects to New York State authorities, a source familiar with the matter told AFP on Wednesday.
In mid-March, New York Attorney General Letitia James subpoenaed the German bank, demanding records related to loans and lines of credit granted to the Trump Organization.
The money was intended to finance projects such as Trump hotels in Washington, DC, Miami and Chicago, another source told AFP last month on the condition of anonymity.
It was unclear whether Deutsche Bank had provided all the documents requested.
"We remain committed to cooperating with authorized investigations," a bank spokesman told AFP, while declining to comment on a CNN report that the company was handing over the documents.
James' office also declined to comment on the status of the documents regarding financing for the Trump Organization, the holding company that has been run by Trump's sons Eric and Donald Trump Jr since he entered the White House.
New York authorities also wanted records related to the Trump Organization's failed attempt in 2014 to buy the Buffalo Bills football team, the source said on condition of anonymity.
James demanded the information from Deutsche Bank after Trump's former personal attorney Michael Cohen testified before Congress, saying among other things that Trump wildly inflated his net worth in order to secure loans from Deutsche Bank.
Deutsche Bank was one of the few major banks to continue to lend to Trump following the bankruptcies of his casinos and other businesses in the 1990s. The German bank in recent years has loaned Trump more than $300 million.
That put the bank at the center of investigations and congressional scrutiny.
When opposition Democrats took control of the House of Representatives in January, they sought information on interest rates granted to the Trump Organization, as well as details on a huge Russian money laundering case that earned Deutsche Bank a $630 million fine in January 2017.
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Mr. Mueller's decision to strictly adhere to the OLC position of not indicting sitting Presidents eliminated any possibility that the OSC could -- in any tangible way -- hold the POTUS accountable. However, he did lay out, in great detail, everything that Congress needs in order to do their duty and proceed with Articles of Impeachment.
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So, that Barr summary of the report? Turns out Mueller wasn't too keen on it and let Barr know, before Barr testified before Congress that he didn't know Mueller's opinions on Barr's summary.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/05/01/i-dont-know-barrs-professed-ignorance-prompts-democrats-seek-his-resignation-after-mueller-letter/?utm_term=.38e98d3ee681
Quote:In back-to-back congressional hearings on April 9 and 10, Attorney General William P. Barr disclaimed knowledge of the thinking of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III and members of his team of prosecutors investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election.
“No, I don’t,” Barr said, when asked by Rep. Charlie Crist (D-Fla.) whether he knew what was behind reports that members of Mueller’s team were frustrated by the attorney general’s summary of their top-level conclusions.
“I don’t know,” he said the next day, when asked by Sen. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) whether Mueller supported his finding that there was not sufficient evidence to conclude that President Trump had obstructed justice.
These statements resurfaced Tuesday following the revelation that Mueller had sent a letter to Barr two weeks earlier objecting to the attorney general’s characterization of the probe.
I should note, this is slimey, but not actual perjury from my point of view. Just so we are clear.
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(05-01-2019, 09:23 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: So, that Barr summary of the report? Turns out Mueller wasn't too keen on it and let Barr know, before Barr testified before Congress that he didn't know Mueller's opinions on Barr's summary.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/05/01/i-dont-know-barrs-professed-ignorance-prompts-democrats-seek-his-resignation-after-mueller-letter/?utm_term=.38e98d3ee681
I should note, this is slimey, but not actual perjury from my point of view. Just so we are clear.
That seems to be the general consensus. Barr has an out on the way the question was asked and that he answered it "truthfully".
It does, however, add to the narrative that Barr was nominated and put in to protect Trump.
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