The hourly rate you need to afford a two-bedroom apartment in every state

[GMDino]

(06-08-2016, 11:41 AM)PhilHos Wrote: A single parent would not be a single person, now would they? (Yes, they'd be single in terms of relationships, but not in terms of the number of people in their household). And the second type of person you mention, as we know, applies to the vast majority of people in this country, so, yeah, I guess that makes this article justified. 

The fact is, if you're a one-person household and you're looking for a two-bedroom domicile that you cannot afford, then you're an idiot.

Single in terms of income.

[Au165]

(06-08-2016, 11:52 AM)GMDino Wrote: Single in terms of income.

Is the other earning unemployment? If so, that's not really a single income. Can they not work? if so they should be getting assistance. If they are just single with kids they'd be getting government assistance.

[*PhilHos*]

(06-08-2016, 11:52 AM)GMDino Wrote: Single in terms of income.

Not according to the parts of the article you posted (I presume it was the whole thing, but I'm too lazy to click the link). It refers to "worker" and "renter". These are individuals. In fact, I don't believe the article ever referred to any form of familial situation. Just 'workers' and 'renters'.

So again, an individual seeking a TWO-bedroom apartment he or she cannot afford is an idiot.

[GMDino]

(06-08-2016, 11:57 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Not according to the parts of the article you posted (I presume it was the whole thing, but I'm too lazy to click the link). It refers to "worker" and "renter". These are individuals. In fact, I don't believe the article ever referred to any form of familial situation. Just 'workers' and 'renters'.

So again, an individual seeking a TWO-bedroom apartment he or she cannot afford is an idiot.

Interesting take.

Wrong.

But interesting.

[*PhilHos*]

(06-08-2016, 12:00 PM)GMDino Wrote: Interesting take.

Wrong.

But interesting.

Well, of course I'm wrong. We all know when you say someone's wrong their automatically wrong. Can you imagine if we lived in a world where one would actually have to BACK UP their claim of someone being wrong? Crazy, right? I am GLAD that all it takes is just saying someone's wrong for them to be wrong.  

And wow, who knew it was actually smart to purchase something you're unable to afford? Who knew it was intelligent to enter into a lease agreement where within 3 months or so (depending on the kindness of the landlord) you not only would be looking for a new place to live (due to being evicted), but you would be further burdened by the debt of back rent due?





























































Too heavy handed?

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Minimum wage is entry level into the job force. No matter what minimum wage is, it will always be minimum wage and by raising it, you just create more people making minimum wage. By creating more people making less, you make them dependent on government programs which in turn makes them easier to control.

Why does the left want to make more people poor?

Votes and power, that's why.

Raise minimum wage
Create more people who need assistance
Control said people
Raise taxes to take from rich
Rich eventually become poor
Blame Republicans

LOL

[GMDino]

(06-08-2016, 12:05 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Well, of course I'm wrong. We all know when you say someone's wrong their automatically wrong. Can you imagine if we lived in a world where one would actually have to BACK UP their claim of someone being wrong? Crazy, right? I am GLAD that all it takes is just saying someone's wrong for them to be wrong.  

And wow, who knew it was actually smart to purchase something you're unable to afford? Who knew it was intelligent to enter into a lease agreement where within 3 months or so (depending on the kindness of the landlord) you not only would be looking for a new place to live (due to being evicted), but you would be further burdened by the debt of back rent due?




Too heavy handed?

No, you're wrong because you can't imagine a single renter who wants a two bedroom apartment and when given an example you you said no because that wasn't the way it was explained in the article.

That's why you are wrong.

Not even that I might be right.

Just that you were shown how a single renter or "worker" could want a 2 bedroom and you just refused to accept it so you could continue to call them stupid.

[Au165]

"In Washington state, fair market rent on a two-bedroom apartment is $1,203. That means a worker needs annual earnings of about $48,000 to afford that unit, or $23.13 per hour. Based on the state minimum wage, a worker would need 2.4 jobs full-time jobs to afford that. The real average renter wage in Washington is just $16.69, meaning a worker with an average-pay job needs 1.4 jobs to afford a two-bedroom place. In King and Snohomish counties, the region’s most expensive areas, the housing wage is much higher: $29.29."

So here is an example of making numbers say what you want from the article. They lay out the cost of a two bedroom apartment for a renter (One person) in Washington and that they would need to make 23.13 and hour to make it work. They say a minimum wage earner would have to work 2.4 jobs but go on to say the REAL average renter wage in the state is 16.69 much higher than the federal minimum wage (Hypothetical they are using to rally the troops). They aren't far off using the real average to making rent and that is based on a two bedroom apartment using a single salary to support it with the inflated average from counties like Snohomish. If it was a one bedroom I'd venture to guess it works out, or if they had two salaries paying for it with it's two bedrooms.

[GMDino]

(06-08-2016, 12:08 PM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: Minimum wage is entry level into the job force. No matter what minimum wage is, it will always be minimum wage and by raising it, you just create more people making minimum wage. By creating more people making less, you make them dependent on government programs which in turn makes them easier to control.

Why does the left want to make more people poor?

Votes and power, that's why.

Raise minimum wage
Create more people who need assistance
Control said people
Raise taxes to take from rich
Rich eventually become poor
Blame Republicans

LOL

Yet no one ever says when the boss gets a big raise that it will affect inflation too much.

Odd.

[*PhilHos*]

(06-08-2016, 12:08 PM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: No matter what minimum wage is, it will always be minimum wage and by raising it, you just create more people making minimum wage.

Actually, you'll have LESS people making minimum wage as there will be less minimum wage jobs available. You will have more unemployed workers, though, so there's that.

[GMDino]

(06-08-2016, 12:11 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Actually, you'll have LESS people making minimum wage as there will be less minimum wage jobs available. You will have more unemployed workers, though, so there's that.

I'm surprised there are any people working since minimum wage was created.

We need to eliminate it and just let employers pay what they think is fair.

Then they can hire more workers making less money.

That will solve everything.

[Au165]

(06-08-2016, 12:10 PM)GMDino Wrote: No, you're wrong because you can't imagine a single renter who wants a two bedroom apartment and when given an example you you said no because that wasn't the way it was explained in the article.

That's why you are wrong.

Not even that I might be right.

Just that you were shown how a single renter or "worker" could want a 2 bedroom and you just refused to accept it so you could continue to call them stupid.

Wait, so now we are worried about what people want over what they need? If they want 2 bedrooms but don't need them that is not mine or anyone else problem.

[Au165]

(06-08-2016, 12:11 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yet no one ever says when the boss gets a big raise that it will affect inflation too much.

Odd.

Because it doesn't. Have you ever actually studied economics?

[GMDino]

(06-08-2016, 12:14 PM)Au165 Wrote: Wait, so now we are worried about what people want over what they need? If they want 2 bedrooms but don't need them that is not mine or anyone else problem.

Nope.  I explained a scenario where one "renter" or "worker" could need a two bedroom apartment.

(06-08-2016, 12:15 PM)Au165 Wrote: Because it doesn't. Have you ever actually studied economics?

People getting raises doesn't affect inflation...unless its minimum wage.  Got it.

[*PhilHos*]

(06-08-2016, 12:10 PM)GMDino Wrote: No, you're wrong because you can't imagine a single renter who wants a two bedroom apartment and when given an example you you said no because that wasn't the way it was explained in the article.

You gave me 1 example of a single renter who wants a two-bedroom apartment (the widow/er. And I stand by that that widow or widower would be an idiot. 

The other example, is not valid as I explained because of the article's focus on individuals. I'm sorry that I'm discussing the article YOU posted and have endeavored to try stay on topic. I guess you'd prefer if I brought up other things you have claimed in the past and/or launched a personal attack on you and/or hijacked this thread in a myriad of other ways?

GMDino Wrote:That's why you are wrong..

I appreciate that effort in trying to explain how I'm wrong but you still have failed to do so.

Allow me to simplify things. Here are the claims I've made: 
1) The article mentions only individual workers and renters not families
2) A single parent is not an individual househould
3) An individual seeking a two-bedroom apartment they cannot afford is stupid


Which claim am I wrong about?

[*PhilHos*]

(06-08-2016, 12:13 PM)GMDino Wrote: I'm surprised there are any people working since minimum wage was created.

We need to eliminate it and just let employers pay what they think is fair.

Then they can hire more workers making less money.

That will solve everything.

You do realize that the vast majority of people making minimum wage are not supporting themselves or their families, right? You can lower minimum wage or eradicate it and things will most likely stay about the same as they are or possibly improve as their would be more jobs for those just entering the workforce or seeking to do something in their retirement meaning more people with disposable income meaning more purchases being exchanged meaning prices going down etc. etc.

Of course, I'm oversimplifying and there are more factors involved, but what I stated is about as likely to happen as all problems being solved by raising minimum wage to a livable wage.

[GMDino]

(06-08-2016, 12:25 PM)PhilHos Wrote: You gave me 1 example of a single renter who wants a two-bedroom apartment (the widow/er. And I stand by that that widow or widower would be an idiot. 

The other example, is not valid as I explained because of the article's focus on individuals. I'm sorry that I'm discussing the article YOU posted and have endeavored to try stay on topic. I guess you'd prefer if I brought up other things you have claimed in the past and/or launched a personal attack on you and/or hijacked this thread in a myriad of other ways?


I appreciate that effort in trying to explain how I'm wrong but you still have failed to do so.

Allow me to simplify things. Here are the claims I've made: 
1) The article mentions only individual workers and renters not families
2) A single parent is not an individual househould
3) An individual seeking a two-bedroom apartment they cannot afford is stupid


Which claim am I wrong about?

You're wrong because you asked for an example of a singe worker who could want a two bedroom apartment.

I provided one.

You said it doesn't count because it's not mentioned in the article.

I never said it was.  I was using thought to imagine such a scenario that met your criteria.

Moving along:

From the same article:

Quote:Another way of expressing the same problem: Using the national rates, a worker earning the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour would need to work 2.8 full time jobs, or approximately 112 hours per week, to afford a two-bedroom apartment. 

That renter would need to work 90 hours to afford a one-bedroom, according to the report.

[Brownshoe]

http://www.raisetheminimumwage.com/pages/minimum-wage-state


Wow... the higher the state minimum wage the higher the price is for an average apartment. Who would have thought.

[Millhouse]

I dont have an issue with the numbers, as they are averages. But I disagree with anyone that defends where the federal minimum wage is as of today ($7.25). Ohio has ours at $8.10 I believe. Imo it should be at least $10 an hour, and in a few years start creeping up to $15. Between health insurance, taxes, socialsecurity, porn subscriptions (hard to find good free porn these days in good HD full length), its near impossible to keep head above water while eating decent food makin 8 bucks an hour, unless you have roommate/marriage help.

[*PhilHos*]

(06-08-2016, 12:32 PM)GMDino Wrote: You're wrong because you asked for an example of a singe worker who could want a two bedroom apartment.

I provided one.

Wrong.
















































Seriously, though, you're wrong. This is what I asked:

(06-08-2016, 11:27 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Why is a single person looking to live in a 2-bedroom apartment and pay the whole rent?

A single parent is NOT a single person (you know what I mean). A widow or widower IS, but you have yet to explain why he or she would look to live in a 2-bedroom apartment.