The literal definition of fake news propaganda

[GMDino]

(01-11-2019, 08:58 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It's nuanced. 

Where have I heard that before? 

Probably from people who used the word appropriately for the subject?  

[*bfine32*]

(01-11-2019, 09:00 PM)GMDino Wrote: Probably from people who used the word appropriately for the subject?  

Like the dude in the link Matt shared? 

[GMDino]

(01-11-2019, 09:03 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Like the dude in the link Matt shared? 

Probably?

[*bfine32*]

(01-11-2019, 09:15 PM)GMDino Wrote: Probably?

Good, then you see how it could be asserted that Mexico is going to pay for it. 

Just as I've been saying for a while. 

[GMDino]

(01-11-2019, 09:22 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Good, then you see how it could be asserted that Mexico is going to pay for it. 

Just as I've been saying for a while. 

Man you're funny.

Delusional...but funny.

[6andcounting]

(01-11-2019, 08:39 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Yeah, that was already debunked a month ago. https://www.factcheck.org/2018/12/is-mexico-paying-for-the-wall-through-usmca/

It's not debunked, his claim just has a little variation from the truth.

[*bfine32*]

(01-11-2019, 09:50 PM)6andcounting Wrote: It's not debunked, his claim just has a little variation from the truth.

AKA.......nuanced. 

[Belsnickel]

(01-11-2019, 09:50 PM)6andcounting Wrote: It's not debunked, his claim just has a little variation from the truth.

Truth is subjective. He's just living in his world of alternative facts.

[*bfine32*]

I think it's telling that a thread about an obvious attempt to slur POTUS quickly turned into a "Trump lied" thread.

[GMDino]

At a Republican presidential debate in 2016, I asked @realDonaldTrump: "If you don't get an actual check from the Mexican government for $8 billion or $10 billion or $12 billion, whatever it will cost, how are you going to make them pay for the wall?" Here's his response: pic.twitter.com/i7dQea8Ehi

— Wolf Blitzer (@wolfblitzer) January 11, 2019

[GMDino]

(01-10-2019, 08:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: When will these dumbasses realize they are playing right into Trump's hand?

(01-10-2019, 09:18 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Keep it up...  Trump may just win 2020 by an even bigger landslide.

And this is why the GOP can't attract more women.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/01/12/senator-kyrsten-sinema-dress-madonna-barbie-doll/2515574002/

Quote:A Republican Party official laments the 'dumb ass' voters who sent Kyrsten Sinema to the Senate. No wonder the GOP can't attract moderate women.




The Republican Party continues its quest to reach out to moderate women, as one of its leaders over the weekend lamented that "dumb ass people" elected Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz.


Or as he called Arizona’s first female senator: "Senator Madonna." This, as opposed to when she was campaigning as "Senator Barbie Doll."


Arizona’s national GOP committeeman, Bruce Ash, is in a lather over the fact that Arizona voters opted to send a Democrat to the Senate for the first time in 30 years.


So naturally, he went right for the important stuff: what she looked like at her swearing-in.


"Sinema looking more like Senator Madonna than the Senator Barbie Doll she advertised when she ran for election in 2018," Bruce Ash posted on Facebook on Saturday. "Her politics and positions will lean further left than the dumb ass people on our side ever imagined when tens of thousands left their ballots blank in the McSally-Sinema election which led the way to her being seated in the U.S. Senate this past week."

So, he's talking about moderates


By "dumb ass people on our side," I wonder: Was he including the moderate Republicans and GOP-leaning independents who put Sinema into the Senate?


I'm guessing Ash cannot imagine why moderate women would reject the Republican nominee who cozied up to a president who makes many women want to vomit. Can’t fathom why they wouldn’t support the former fighter pilot who treated the election as a war exercise rather than an exercise in democracy. (Just wondering, would that make Rep. Martha McSally, R-Ariz., "GI Josephine Barbie?)

But, hey, at least McSally branded Sinema a traitor, not a Barbie doll — an acknowledgement that her opponent has an actual working brain cell or two.

It's doubtful the woman who has three graduate degrees — a law degree, a master's degree and a Ph.D. — woke up last week, pranced over to her closet and suddenly decided to go all Elle Woods to be sworn in as Arizona's first woman senator.

Sinema's choice of a pink coat and a polka dot purse was surely calculated, and it was brilliant. Who didn’t think immediately of the pink tutu featured in McSally’s endless attack ads, in which the GOP nominee called for Arizona to elect "strong leaders"?


So Ms. Sinema goes to Washington in her pink getup — and later in a retro-looking gray fur shawl — showing that a woman can be strong and feminine, too. Those bare shoulders buried once and for all an arcane dress code that should have gone out in the 1960s.


Like it or not — and clearly, Ash is a "not" — the times, they are a changin’. Even in the blue-suited hallways of the United States Senate.


America has given Congress a bold new look, one that includes a record number of women, including Muslims, Native Americans and yes, Sinema, the first openly bisexual senator — sworn in on a copy of the Constitution, not the Bible.


A woman who isn’t afraid to be all that she can be. Smart, savvy and yes, looking spectacular.


Senator Madonna? Senator Barbie doll?


And the Republicans wonder how their big tent has begun to collapse into the party of the pup tent?



Laurie Roberts is a columnist at The Arizona Republic

"dumbasses"...indeed.

[6andcounting]

(01-12-2019, 11:40 AM)GMDino Wrote:

At a Republican presidential debate in 2016, I asked @realDonaldTrump: "If you don't get an actual check from the Mexican government for $8 billion or $10 billion or $12 billion, whatever it will cost, how are you going to make them pay for the wall?" Here's his response: pic.twitter.com/i7dQea8Ehi

— Wolf Blitzer (@wolfblitzer) January 11, 2019

The wall has gotten 10 feet taller so many times that Trump can officially use NASA's budget to fund part of the wall. 

[GMDino]

(01-12-2019, 04:27 PM)6andcounting Wrote: The wall has gotten 10 feet taller so many times that Trump can officially use NASA's budget to fund part of the wall. 

And it is already built! 

[jmccracky]

(01-11-2019, 06:49 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Asking if we're better than that around here? The answer is no.

In all seriousness, I just think he's a dumbass for saying Mexico will pay for it. I think his lie is that he is trying to backpedal and say he never said that. I think some broken promises can be lies, but he was just ignorant about how these things work and thinks more of himself that he ought to, so I don't see this broken promise as a lie.

Me to my wife- "I promise not to cheat on you."
And then I cheat...

"But baby, it was just a promise and I couldn't tell the future at the time."

I'm sure that would go over well. 

[Belsnickel]

(01-12-2019, 05:01 PM)jmccracky Wrote: Me to my wife- "I promise not to cheat on you."
And then I cheat...

"But baby, it was just a promise and I couldn't tell the future at the time."

I'm sure that would go over well. 

That's one of those broken promises that can be a lie.

[GMDino]

Another thing to consider is there can be a difference between "fake news" and "propaganda".

Someone could use a true story: Some Democrats vacationed in PR during the shutdown.  First they post it as the headline for three or four days on a conservative "news" website, then a conservative "news" cable station reads the same story on the very popular (in parts of DC) morning show and then it gets sent out via tweet from a prominent "politician".

And someone could use it as propaganda to just and rile people up that the Democrats are at fault for not doing something the GOP didn't do for two years.  

Someone who might have set a record for vacation in the first two years of his term, say.

The "news" is true and accurate...the spin is propaganda.

[jj22]

So Trump supporters attack Fake news with more Fake News? Landslides? Um ok. The guy didn't even win the popular vote people (and we already know how he feels about the electorate). How are Trump supporters holding a local news guy obvious trolling to higher standards then the President? That's what people ask every time these cases are highlighted by Trump Supporters.

About 1 thousand Americans saw this. Unlike the millions that get Trumps fake news propaganda. Now guess which person Trump Supporters are outraged with?

Now if only they'd attack Trump for his fake news like they did this random guy.

In the mean time, news broke of Trump treacherous acts with Russia this weekend. How much American and our Allies intel has he given them? Clearly what Trump supporters are hoping to distract you from asking.

[GMDino]

(01-14-2019, 10:47 AM)jj22 Wrote: So Trump supporters attack Fake news with more Fake News? Landslides? Um ok. The guy didn't even win the popular vote people (and we already know how he feels about the electorate). How are Trump supporters holding a local news guy obvious trolling to higher standards then the President? That's what people ask every time these cases are highlighted by Trump Supporters.

About 1 thousand Americans saw this. Unlike the millions that get Trumps fake news propaganda. Now guess which person Trump Supporters are outraged with?

Now if only they'd attack Trump for his fake news like they did this random guy.

In the mean time, news broke of Trump treacherous acts with Russia this weekend. How much  American and our Allies intel has he given them? Clearly what Trump supporters are hoping to distract you from asking.

And this is nothing new or unexpected by DJT.  He has long said anything that disagreed with him was "fake news".  The difference is that now there are millions of people who put their trust into him and refuse to admit they got hosed.

[jj22]

We remember Trump supporters (even on this board) "ho hum, the point remains" attitude when the WH spread the doctored clip of the journalist "attacking" the WH intern when she tried to take the mic to roughly 40 million Americans.....

They can't keep having it both ways and feel they should be taken seriously. All they end up getting is mocked on social media platforms as people point out these hypocritical discrepancies.