https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/13/tech/tech-layoffs-ai-investment/index.html
"Goldman Sachs economists said in a research note last March that as many as 300 million full-time jobs around the world could be lost or diminished by the rise of generative AI technology and that white-collar workers appeared to be most at risk."
I've been arguing for years on this board that a second "industrial revolution" was imminent and that the loss of jobs would be equal, or worse than it was then. I frequently cited truck drivers, a huge employment sector, as being on the block for automation. This is also why I've consistently argued against the "we need immigrants to do these jobs" justification for mass immigration. Much sooner than we'd like to think the job pool is going to shrink and the mass importation of unskilled to semi-skilled laborers is going to be a millstone around our necks.
Wouldn't surprise me if when Trump dies 75+ million voters say we should run his entire persona into AI and then make AI Trump the president. Just make AI videos and consult AI for his policies, and then use a hologram for his in person rallies and stuff.
(01-16-2024, 02:23 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I've been arguing for years on this board that a second "industrial revolution" was imminent and that the loss of jobs would be equal, or worse than it was then. I frequently cited truck drivers, a huge employment sector, as being on the block for automation. This is also why I've consistently argued against the "we need immigrants to do these jobs" justification for mass immigration. Much sooner than we'd like to think the job pool is going to shrink and the mass importation of unskilled to semi-skilled laborers is going to be a millstone around our necks.
Nonsense.
More AI just means more military jobs for everyone!!
(01-16-2024, 02:23 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I've been arguing for years on this board that a second "industrial revolution" was imminent and that the loss of jobs would be equal, or worse than it was then. I frequently cited truck drivers, a huge employment sector, as being on the block for automation. This is also why I've consistently argued against the "we need immigrants to do these jobs" justification for mass immigration. Much sooner than we'd like to think the job pool is going to shrink and the mass importation of unskilled to semi-skilled laborers is going to be a millstone around our necks.
It would be nice if it went back to one person working an average every day job being able to afford a decent living with a car, house, and family. I feel like those types of family situations are few and far between. If they made a come back maybe it would ease what could potentially become an over crowded labor market. But that still probably won't be enough. I think we can become so efficient at producing goods with smarter better machines while robots take over service jobs I just don't see how that ends with everyone happy and gainfully employed.
(01-18-2024, 05:21 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: It would be nice if it went back to one person working an average every day job being able to afford a decent living with a car, house, and family. I feel like those types of family situations are few and far between. If they made a come back maybe it would ease what could potentially become an over crowded labor market. But that still probably won't be enough. I think we can become so efficient at producing goods with smarter better machines while robots take over service jobs I just don't see how that ends with everyone happy and gainfully employed.
I don't know that you're appreciating the scope of the jobs that will be lost due to AI and further automation. I cited truck drivers for a reason, as it's a massive blue collar job sector.
There are more than 3.5 million truckers in the US. In just that one industry alone you're talking a catastrophic loss of jobs. Basically any job that doesn't rely heavily on human judgment, e.g. criminal justice jobs, is on the table as far as going bye bye. I wholeheartedly agree with you. it would be great if we could return to the single worker family that can afford to buy a house and live a modest life. But those days are gone, both political parties sold us out to cheap foreign, sometimes slave, labor. What's coming is going to be decidedly unpleasant.
In 1995 Star Trek Deep Space Nine had a 2 part episode called "Past Tense".
They travel back in time to 2024 and see how the World was dealing with racisim, violence, and job shortages because of technology. They had Sanctuary sections in the cities for the homeless etc..
Talk about foreshadowing...
I have the Heart of a Lion! I also have a massive fine and a lifetime ban from the Pittsburgh Zoo...
(01-18-2024, 05:21 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: It would be nice if it went back to one person working an average every day job being able to afford a decent living with a car, house, and family. I feel like those types of family situations are few and far between. If they made a come back maybe it would ease what could potentially become an over crowded labor market. But that still probably won't be enough. I think we can become so efficient at producing goods with smarter better machines while robots take over service jobs I just don't see how that ends with everyone happy and gainfully employed
You can still have that. If more workers would stand up, unionize, and have the backbone to fight for fair treatment from the faceless, profit squeezing corporations, even more people would enjoy a better quality of life.
Quote:United Auto Workers union members overwhelmingly voted to approve a deal at Allison Transmission in Indianapolis.
UAW Local 933 members voted 81.8% for a new contract and 18.2% against. Production workers voted 81% to 19% in favor of the deal, while the skilled trades supported it by a margin of 84.6% to 15.4%.
The union and Allison Transmission reached a new deal that includes average wage growth of 38.6% over the next five years for 1,500 union members in Indianapolis. Production workers would see an average increase of 46.2%, according to a UAW Local 933 contract summary.
The contract expired on Nov. 14 at Allison Transmission, which makes commercial-duty automatic transmissions and hybrid propulsion systems. Union members voted overwhelmingly to reject a first tentative deal, expressing concerns over compensation, inflation, long hours and medical costs.
The union warned the first major strike of 2024 could take place in Indiana after the two sides failed to make any progression in bargaining talks for months.
The new deal includes a 10% pay increase retroactive to Nov. 15 and 3% increases for the next four years for production workers hired after 2008. Production workers hired earlier than 2008 get a 7% raise followed by four 3% raises each year. Skilled employees get a 10% raise the first year, 3% pay raises the next three years and a 2% raise in 2027.
The annual raises add up to a 19% to 22% increase in compensation, but overall take-home pay would increase more because of an accelerated wage progression schedule.
The new contract includes a ratification bonus of $7,000, a four-year progression to the top wage rate and an end to a two-tier system that pays workers different wage rates for doing the same work, which the union has protested is unfair and divisive.
By 2027, Allison Transmission's top pay will range from $24.52 an hour for oilers and manufacturing support workers to $39.44 an hour for jobsetters and coordinators, according to the UAW Local 933's contract summary. Skilled assemblers will make $35.93 an hour, fabrication machining specialists $36.42 an hour, transmission rework mechanics $36.09 an hour and warehouse workers $29.70 an hour.
Volson is meh, but I like him, and he has far exceeded my expectations
(01-18-2024, 02:11 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You can still have that. If more workers would stand up, unionize, and have the backbone to fight for fair treatment from the faceless, profit squeezing corporations, even more people would enjoy a better quality of life.
Carter and Mondale got their asses kicked, it's been over my entire life.
(01-18-2024, 04:08 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'll be Carter was really popular once had that revelation; "You know what, maybe we ought to be paying those peanut pickers union scale?"..
Hell if I know, my whole life the American way has been to demonize anything that would inconvenience the job creators and wait for it to all trickle down. Oh, and if you get bored waiting for it to tickle down, have you thought about obsessing over organized religion and/or abortion?
(01-18-2024, 02:11 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You can still have that. If more workers would stand up, unionize, and have the backbone to fight for fair treatment from the faceless, profit squeezing corporations, even more people would enjoy a better quality of life.
But I see threats to it and other good union jobs. Like Ai, automation, and corporate greed. But I’m in a trade so I think I should personally be safe and have job security until retirement age.
One of the bigger threats. Is at the top of richest person in the world lists and even bought a social media website that helps him control some of the narrative in this country and around the world. And he has recently seemed to grow in popularity with right wingers.
Musk “I disagree with the idea of unions.” https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/20/elon-musk-unions-tesla
(01-16-2024, 02:41 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Wouldn't surprise me if when Trump dies 75+ million voters say we should run his entire persona into AI and then make AI Trump the president. Just make AI videos and consult AI for his policies, and then use a hologram for his in person rallies and stuff.
please dont plant this perpetual nightmare into my head! SO ready to not have to hear about this fool
(01-18-2024, 05:14 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: I’ve got a pretty good union job now.
But I see threats to it and other good union jobs. Like Ai, automation, and corporate greed. But I’m in a trade so I think I should personally be safe and have job security until retirement age.
One of the bigger threats. Is at the top of richest person in the world lists and even bought a social media website that helps him control some of the narrative in this country and around the world. And he has recently seemed to grow in popularity with right wingers.
Musk “I disagree with the idea of unions.” https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/20/elon-musk-unions-tesla
Trades are definitely one of the last bricks that will fall. As I stated earlier I think human judgment jobs, e.g. the criminal justice field, are going to be safe as well. I don't think many people would be comfortable with an AI making decisions about people's freedom. As for Musk, dude, give up the left wing boogeymaning of that guy. He's far from perfect, but of all the billionaires he generally seems concerned with the future of the human race. Bezos is far more sinister, yet he received virtually no press coverage. I'm far from a Musk jockrider (although the usual suspects will leap on this, confusing trying to view him in a balanced/nuanced way as being a diehard supporter) but the vilification of that guy since he brought Twitter just reeks of organized character assassination.
(01-29-2024, 12:20 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Trades are definitely one of the last bricks that will fall. As I stated earlier I think human judgment jobs, e.g. the criminal justice field, are going to be safe as well. I don't think many people would be comfortable with an AI making decisions about people's freedom. As for Musk, dude, give up the left wing boogeymaning of that guy. He's far from perfect, but of all the billionaires he generally seems concerned with the future of the human race. Bezos is far more sinister, yet he received virtually no press coverage. I'm far from a Musk jockrider (although the usual suspects will leap on this, confusing trying to view him in a balanced/nuanced way as being a diehard supporter) but the vilification of that guy since he brought Twitter just reeks of organized character assassination.
To any middle class working person. The richest man in the world going after labor unions in multiple countries around the world should be concerning.
(01-29-2024, 02:28 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: To any middle class working person. The richest man in the world going after labor unions in multiple countries around the world should be concerning.
I think you're grossly overstating the scope of the issue. As your own thread would indicate, AI is a far, far greater threat to the middle class than Musk could ever be, by an exponential amount.
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