Trump Cites Police, Military, ICE Endorsements That Didn't Happen

[GMDino]

But Clinton...she's the liar. 

Quote:Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump frequently touts his support among law enforcement and military figures.


On Monday, he told News4Jax that the United States military "conceptually" endorsed him and that "virtually every police department" in the country backed his bid for the presidency. During last week's third debate, Trump said his hardline stance on immigration and pledge to build a border wall had earned him an endorsement from Immigration and Customs Enforcement.


But none of that is true.


Federal agencies are barred by law from endorsing candidates in political elections. Under the Hatch Act, only the president, vice president and high-ranking administration officials are allowed to dip their toe in partisan waters.


The Department of Defense, meanwhile, has its own set of guidelines that tightly restricts any active duty military or civilian personnel from publicly choosing political sides.

The same applies to Trump's repeated claims about ICE, the agency tasked with deporting undocumented immigrants. Trump has doubled down during campaign rallies and onstage at debates by saying that ICE endorsed him.


But the agency has not endorsed any candidate, nor is it able to. Instead the union representing ICE employees, National Immigration and Customs Enforcement Council, gave the Republican nominee its backing. And it represents just a quarter of the more than 20,000 employees that work at the agency.

Trump did receive an endorsement from more than 88 retired military figures last month. His list of supporters included top military brass and Medal of Honor recipients, including Maj. Gen. Sidney Shachnow, a former Army green beret and Holocaust survivor, and Vietnam veteran Rear Admiral Charles Williams.


However, Trump's support from military quarters pales in comparison to what some Republican predecessors received when they ran for the Oval Office.


Mitt Romney, the Republican presidential nominee who lost in 2012, received a sweeping endorsement from 500 retired generals and admirals. The veterans banded together to release a full-page ad in the Washington Times highlighting their support.


Trump has also overstated his standing with local police departments. He has picked up endorsements from the federal police union, the Fraternal Order of Police.

But the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association in New York, the largest police union in the country with 23,000 members, has remained on the sidelines this election and has yet to back a candidate.


Police departments as a whole do not typically endorse candidates in elections. Though that has not stopped Trump from saying they do.
After a meeting with first responders and law enforcement officials in northern Florida on Monday, Trump later boasted on Twitter that he was honored for being endorsed by the St. Johns County Sheriff's Office.


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But the department did no such thing. The sheriff's office took to both Facebook and Twitter to make clear that despite Trump's comment, they have "NOT made any official endorsement." 

He is delusional.

[BmorePat87]

That 500 retired generals/admirals for Romney compared to 88 for Trump was a pretty shocking number.

[Griever]

did someone say delusional?

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/303025-trump-ill-teach-military-expert-a-couple-of-things

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-27-2016, 09:28 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: That 500 retired generals/admirals for Romney compared to 88 for Trump was a pretty shocking number.

I thought the decrease in newspaper endorsements was more dramatic. 

[BmorePat87]

(10-27-2016, 11:13 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I thought the decrease in newspaper endorsements was more dramatic. 

Yea, 4 or 5 endorsements? That fits his narrative, though, "the media is against me".

He brags about these military endorsements, but, man that's not nearly as impressive as Mitt Romney getting 500. In fact, it hurts his argument.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

In fairness to Trump. (And F having to actually type that out and somewhat defend him.)

"But the agency has not endorsed any candidate, nor is it able to. Instead the union representing ICE employees, National Immigration and Customs Enforcement Council, gave the Republican nominee its backing. And it represents just a quarter of the more than 20,000 employees that work at the agency."

So the 1/4th of the employees who are actually capable of legally making an endorsement, chose him. Also making the distinction between ICE and the union of ICE employees seems rather pedantic. What is a company/organization if not their employees?

[fredtoast]

(10-27-2016, 03:34 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote:  What is a company/organization if not their employees?

Companies/organizations often have intense court battles against the unions that represent their employees.

[GMDino]

(10-27-2016, 03:34 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: In fairness to Trump. (And F having to actually type that out and somewhat defend him.)

"But the agency has not endorsed any candidate, nor is it able to. Instead the union representing ICE employees, National Immigration and Customs Enforcement Council, gave the Republican nominee its backing. And it represents just a quarter of the more than 20,000 employees that work at the agency."

So the 1/4th of the employees who are actually capable of legally making an endorsement, chose him. Also making the distinction between ICE and the union of ICE employees seems rather pedantic. What is a company/organization if not their employees?

Actually just another example of Trump having a kind of an idea roughly of some point or fact and then talking like he knows what he's talking about.  Unprepared, unwilling to learn anything.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-27-2016, 03:34 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: In fairness to Trump. (And F having to actually type that out and somewhat defend him.)

"But the agency has not endorsed any candidate, nor is it able to. Instead the union representing ICE employees, National Immigration and Customs Enforcement Council, gave the Republican nominee its backing. And it represents just a quarter of the more than 20,000 employees that work at the agency."

So the 1/4th of the employees who are actually capable of legally making an endorsement, chose him. Also making the distinction between ICE and the union of ICE employees seems rather pedantic. What is a company/organization if not their employees?

No.

One fourth of the employees aren't actually capable of legally making an endorsement.

The union can make an endorsement.  

Is there a distinction between the NFL and the NFLPA?  Well, that is the distinction between ICE and the union.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(10-28-2016, 01:24 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: No.

One fourth of the employees aren't actually capable of legally making an endorsement.

The union can make an endorsement.  

Is there a distinction between the NFL and the NFLPA?  Well, that is the distinction between ICE and the union.

But one fourth of the US population is well more than enough to legally make a President.

I'm not saying Trump wasn't ill informed or outright badly overstating his support, but it's obvious he does have some there. No worse than Hillary saying all 17 intelligence agencies' investigations told her that the hacks were Russia. As if the Coast Guard Intelligence and Department of Energy's Office of Intelligence are spending their time investigating Hillary and Podesta's emails.

Take the BS with a big grain of salt when either of them open their mouth.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-28-2016, 02:46 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote:
But one fourth of the US population is well more than enough to legally make a President.

I'm not saying Trump wasn't ill informed or outright badly overstating his support, but it's obvious he does have some there. No worse than Hillary saying all 17 intelligence agencies' investigations told her that the hacks were Russia. As if the Coast Guard Intelligence and Department of Energy's Office of Intelligence are spending their time investigating Hillary and Podesta's emails.

Take the BS with a big grain of salt when either of them open their mouth.

Huh?  I don't understand how that relates to your previous comment.

[Dill]

(10-28-2016, 02:46 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: But one fourth of the US population is well more than enough to legally make a President.

I'm not saying Trump wasn't ill informed or outright badly overstating his support, but it's obvious he does have some there. No worse than Hillary saying all 17 intelligence agencies' investigations told her that the hacks were Russia. As if the Coast Guard Intelligence and Department of Energy's Office of Intelligence are spending their time investigating Hillary and Podesta's emails.

Take the BS with a big grain of salt when either of them open their mouth.

I don't think it's quite the same thing. After all, the Joint Statement refers to "intelligence community" unanimity about the hacking. https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national

Clinton's statement would be "no worse" than Trump's if only five intelligence agencies agreed Russia was the hacker, while 8 disputed the finding and four abstained. But that is not the case.

[*rfaulk34*]

(10-27-2016, 07:06 AM)GMDino Wrote: But Clinton...she's the liar. 




He is delusional.

Don't you know yet, that anyone The Donald meets and talks to, means they endorse him?

Duh!

[fredtoast]

Breaking news Bengal fans. We endorse Trump for President.

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-A-simple-poll

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(11-01-2016, 01:43 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Breaking news Bengal fans.  We endorse Trump for President.

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-A-simple-poll

I think this increases his endorsements among the mainstream media by 100%.

Tremendous!

[*Nately120*]

This reminds me that I saw a Trump bumper stick that said "TRUMP 2016 - NO MORE BULLSHIT." Hilarious, as even for a politician the guy is full of, and constantly spouting bullshit.

Anyways, in Trump's defense...he made it this far making crap up and saying absurd things, so why stop now?