Trump FINALLY indicted: "We are living in a Police State" say Fox Commentators

[Leon]

(04-01-2023, 09:51 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: He already lost by a mile in 2020 without that, he ain't going to win in 2024 with this.

All the people supposed to vote for him did and people who voted for Biden are not going to vote for him because he hired a pornstar. Be realistic. 
But it's nice to see self called 'religious Jesus lovers' being enamoured with a guy hiring a porn star while wifey was giving birth.

Fun fact, the very first time he paid someone for a job, he got indicted. 

i never said he would win. but i think stuff like this will make conservatives turn out big an help desantos when he wins the primary an then in general

im not a trump suppoter anymore. most religious folks are going with desantos

[Leon]

(04-01-2023, 10:00 PM)samhain Wrote: Who is Rick?  You mean Ranger Rick from the kids' magazine?  He might do okay, but a anthropomorphic park ranger raccoon would be a tough sell in some parts of the country if you know what I mean.  I hear he knocked up a married waitress in Enid, Oklahoma some years back and paid to abort the kits all while serving as a deacon at his local mega-church.  It's a bad look, really.  

Also, there's the issue of the meth lab he helped raid out in Angeles National Forest where 6 Mexican nationals lost their lives and 6-7 kilos of meth were somehow disappeared from the police vault.  He was found two weeks after the raid with a he that he thought was a she in Fresno. He was said by law enforcement to be tweaking his raccoon ass off to the point of dismantling 6 beta VCRs just to reassemble them.  

He'll have his loyalists.  The guy's a raccoons raccoon, and he's put in some work in the street.  Still, the guy's a bit problematic.  I have sympathy for the dude.  He was just never the same after animal control removed his bio-kits from under old man Spoonhauser's toolshed and had them euthanized.  That shit will turn a good raccoon bad.

sorry. been a long day. lol

[samhain]

(04-01-2023, 10:05 PM)Leon Wrote: sorry. been a long day. lol

Couldn't resist, man.

[Leon]

(04-01-2023, 10:07 PM)samhain Wrote: Couldn't resist, man.

that gave me a good laugh. very funny an creative

i think were i used to be a santorum supporter my brain wants to call ron rick. lol or maybe im just getting old and foggy

[*pally*]

Trump has advocated for YEARS and YEARS for his political opponents (from both parties) to be jailed without any evidence of any crimes. Why is it suddenly an issue when the tables were turned? Another case of conservative hypocrisy.

For all the allegations, Hillary Clinton, who has been under investigation by Republicans since 1988, has never been charged with a crime. She is either the luckiest human being on the face of the earth or she hasn't committed a crime. Like Hillary, there is a lot of noise surrounding Biden, mostly Hunter, but again the concrete evidence of anything tying anything Hunter actually did to Joe. The one supposed piece of evidence constantly quoted, Hunter's laptop, has so many chain of custody issues that it can never be admitted in court.

I can't wait to see what Tuesday looks like. If there is a big protest at the courthouse, responding to Trump's "call to arms" it is just another sign of his complicity for Jan 6.


2 things need to happen for this trial

1) The judge needs to issue a gag order

2) all proceedings in the case need to be televised. MAGA won't believe anything they haven't seen with their own eyes. Of course, even then they will deny it.

[GMDino]

(04-02-2023, 12:23 PM)pally Wrote: Trump has advocated for YEARS and YEARS for his political opponents (from both parties) to be jailed without any evidence of any crimes.  Why is it suddenly an issue when the tables were turned?  Another case of conservative hypocrisy.

For all the allegations, Hillary Clinton, who has been under investigation by Republicans since 1988, has never been charged with a crime.  She is either the luckiest human being on the face of the earth or she hasn't committed a crime.  Like Hillary, there is a lot of noise surrounding Biden, mostly Hunter, but again the concrete evidence of anything tying anything Hunter actually did to Joe.  The one supposed piece of evidence constantly quoted, Hunter's laptop, has so many chain of custody issues that it can never be admitted in court.

I can't wait to see what Tuesday looks like.  If there is a big protest at the courthouse, responding to Trump's "call to arms" it is just another sign of his complicity for Jan 6.


2 things need to happen for this trial

1)  The judge needs to issue a gag order

2) all proceedings in the case need to be televised.  MAGA won't believe anything they haven't seen with their own eyes.  Of course, even then they will deny it.

And, of course, Trump and Barr "weaponized" the DOJ with the Durham investigation...and they failed spectacularly.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/john-durhams-investigation-failed-spectacularly-rcna52921

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/26/us/politics/durham-trump-russia-barr.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/john-durham-probe-failure-belongs-barr-trump-rcna52863

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/19/john-durham-trump-investigation-russia/

[BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI]

(04-01-2023, 09:40 PM)basballguy Wrote: Last i checked, nobody was murdered on Jan 6th (let alone police officers).

Keep spewing that left wing media propoganda.  

Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick died due to injuries sustained by the Trump-incited mob on January 6, 2021.  Over 150 officers from the Capitol Police, the Metropolitan Police Department, and other local law enforcement agencies were injured.   The longtime partner and family of U.S. Capitol Police officer Sicknick who died following the Jan. 6. insurrection has sued former President Donald Trump and two rioters for wrongful death.  Also, we must recognize the passing of Metropolitan Police Officer Gunther Hashida and Officer Kyle DeFreytag — two officers who bravely defended the Capitol, both during and after the insurrection on January 6th.  Their deaths are a sad reminder of that shameful day in our country’s history and of the physical and mental scars left on the officers who risked their lives to protect our Capitol and our democracy from a Trump incited mob. 

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/06/1147357087/trump-and-two-rioters-are-sued-over-the-death-of-capitol-police-officer-brian-si

Also, it's not propaganda it's factual, and just b/c you don't like the facts do not mean they change.

No matter how much the quacks on right-wing media that no reasonable person with any common sense whatsoever would ever believe (Their words not mine,) or the meth head QAnon believers(aka Trailer park Scientology) try to spin it-- Benedict Donald Trump is responsible for Officer Sicknick's death as a direct and proximate result by promoting his fraudulent big election lie.  Trump's big lie was tested in over 60 federal courts with many Trump-appointed judges, and they found zero evidence of any kind of election fraud.  As a matter of fact, the only people who've been convicted of election fraud were Trump supporters.  Trump's Chief of Staff Mark Meadow also committed election fraud by voting in both the states of Virginia and North Carolina. 

[BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI]

[Belsnickel]

I have been loving the consistent use of the thumbs down mark on posts when people don't like what they read but the cognitive dissonance is so strong because they can't come up with a good response. It has been happening all over this subforum and it always makes me laugh.

[BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI]

(03-30-2023, 11:45 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: We can start with 95% of Manhatten residents are Democrats as is the Soros hand picked DA.

The DOJ looked at the case and said not enough evidence. The DA ran on indicting Trump, look it up. He had an indictment in mind with zero evidence when he made the campaign promise.

The definition of a political with hunt, only a far left Democrat would not see  it that way.

99% of what you said here is total Bull Sh!t, you must watch Fox to repeat such utter nonsense.  

First, George Soros didn't hand-pick anyone, so stop with "the boogieman" is who's really behind this.  All the Soros accusations are, just racist attacks b/c he's Jewish and supports the democrats;

Second, The DOJ under Barr stopped the USAG-Eastern District of NY from pursuing this, b/c Trump's AG Barr stated a DOJ policy that a current president cannot be indicted.  Barr also stepped in the way of Manhattan's DA Cy Vance and told him to stop the investigation of Trump.  Barr misquoted the Mueller report that said Trump didn't obstruct justice, when Mueller said he did, so the DOJ under Barr acted as Trump's personal defense lawyer and not an attorney for the people of the US;

Third, Bragg has all his evidence from Cy Vance's investigation and all the evidence from the Eastern District USAGA office.  Mark Pomerantz the prosecutor who put away John Gotti resigned b/c Bragg wouldn't move forward on the indictment last year.   Bragg wanted to bring the Trump organization down first by proving trump ran a 15-yr long tax fraud scheme, and Bragg won convictions on  17 counts, including conspiracy, criminal tax fraud, and falsifying business records.  Trump's CFO Allen Weisselberg (Trump's fall guy) is sitting in prison as we speak.


https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/feb/11/people-vs-donald-trump-review-mark-pomerantz-manhattan-da-alvin-bragg-



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-organization-faces-sentencing-tax-fraud-scheme-rcna65013 

[basballguy]

(04-02-2023, 07:13 PM)BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI Wrote: Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick died due to injuries sustained by the Trump-incited mob on January 6, 2021.  Over 150 officers from the Capitol Police, the Metropolitan Police Department, and other local law enforcement agencies were injured.   The longtime partner and family of U.S. Capitol Police officer Sicknick who died following the Jan. 6. insurrection has sued former President Donald Trump and two rioters for wrongful death.  Also, we must recognize the passing of Metropolitan Police Officer Gunther Hashida and Officer Kyle DeFreytag — two officers who bravely defended the Capitol, both during and after the insurrection on January 6th.  Their deaths are a sad reminder of that shameful day in our country’s history and of the physical and mental scars left on the officers who risked their lives to protect our Capitol and our democracy from a Trump incited mob. 

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/06/1147357087/trump-and-two-rioters-are-sued-over-the-death-of-capitol-police-officer-brian-si

Also, it's not propaganda it's factual, and just b/c you don't like the facts do not mean they change.

No matter how much the quacks on right-wing media that no reasonable person with any common sense whatsoever would ever believe (Their words not mine,) or the meth head QAnon believers(aka Trailer park Scientology) try to spin it-- Benedict Donald Trump is responsible for Officer Sicknick's death as a direct and proximate result by promoting his fraudulent big election lie.  Trump's big lie was tested in over 60 federal courts with many Trump-appointed judges, and they found zero evidence of any kind of election fraud.  As a matter of fact, the only people who've been convicted of election fraud were Trump supporters.  Trump's Chief of Staff Mark Meadow also committed election fraud by voting in both the states of Virginia and North Carolina. 

Again false. Did you just stop reading the news after it happened? No homicides (murders)

https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/medical-examiner-finds-uscp-officer-brian-sicknick-died-natural-causes

[basballguy]

(04-02-2023, 08:22 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I have been loving the consistent use of the thumbs down mark on posts when people don't like what they read but the cognitive dissonance is so strong because they can't come up with a good response. It has been happening all over this subforum and it always makes me laugh.

Classic Bels, always looking for a way to belittle people on the internet.

[Belsnickel]

(04-03-2023, 02:22 AM)basballguy Wrote: Classic Bels, always looking for a way to belittle people on the internet.

Not sure how pointing out a common psychological phenomenon makes people seem unimportant, but whatever.

[Dill]

(04-03-2023, 02:22 AM)basballguy Wrote: Classic Bels, always looking for a way to belittle people on the internet.

Actually, if we look at the record closely, Bels has done rather little to belittle people--at least in this forum.

He called Bfritz "biased" at least once that I recall, right after Bfritz called him biased. (Neither should have done that without offering evidence.)

But he has generally been focused on issues and not people, and he generally describes positions without judging posters,
but for a very few incidents like the aforementioned. He has posted a number of "informative" posts which simply tell people
how the law or government works. 

Bels has disagreed with and challenged me on occasion, but was always going after the factual or logical validity of my statements. 
I never feel belittled by that. 

His comments about the use of thumbs down don't seem to me any more belittling than the use of thumbs down itself. He was noting a pattern and speculating about its causes. 

[BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI]

(04-03-2023, 02:15 AM)basballguy Wrote: Again false.  Did you just stop reading the news after it happened?   No homicides (murders)

https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/medical-examiner-finds-uscp-officer-brian-sicknick-died-natural-causes

Did you stop reading after the first sentence?  Yes, Officer Sicknick died from a stroke, and that happens to be a natural cause; however, the injuries he sustained by defending our nation's Capitol from a Trump-incited insurrection caused the stroke of an otherwise healthy 42 yr old police officer who had passed all his prior physicals.

From the link you posted:
"The USCP accepts the findings from the District of Columbia's Office of the Chief Medical Examiner that Officer Brian Sicknick died of natural causes. This does not change the fact Officer Sicknick died in the line of duty, courageously defending Congress and the Capitol."

The Department continues to mourn the loss of our beloved colleague. The attack on our officers, including Brian, was an attack on our democracy."

So let me explain the logic in this for you.  If you recklessly or by force cause someone injuries and they die as a direct or proximate result of your actions, therefore you will be charged accordingly with the death of another human and will be guilty of manslaughter at the very least.   It doesn't matter if the death is the next day, a week, or a month later, you still will be held responsible for the death of the person you injured. 

[Dill]

(04-01-2023, 01:15 PM)basballguy Wrote: I lived in Texas for 30 years and there’s absolutely no way I’d be able to pick out Greg Abbott without the wheelchair.  If I saw DeSantis on the street I wouldn’t know it was him.  Probably Harris too.

Where in Texas?  Anywheres near Waco?  My family are from 50 miles west of there.

[basballguy]

(04-03-2023, 12:39 PM)BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI Wrote: Did you stop reading after the first sentence?  Yes, Officer Sicknick died from a stroke, and that happens to be a natural cause; however, the injuries he sustained by defending our nation's Capitol from a Trump-incited insurrection caused the stroke of an otherwise healthy 42 yr old police officer who had passed all his prior physicals.

From the link you posted:
"The USCP accepts the findings from the District of Columbia's Office of the Chief Medical Examiner that Officer Brian Sicknick died of natural causes. This does not change the fact Officer Sicknick died in the line of duty, courageously defending Congress and the Capitol."

The Department continues to mourn the loss of our beloved colleague. The attack on our officers, including Brian, was an attack on our democracy."

So let me explain the logic in this for you.  If you recklessly or by force cause someone injuries and they die as a direct or proximate result of your actions, therefore you will be charged accordingly with the death of another human and will be guilty of manslaughter at the very least.   It doesn't matter if the death is the next day, a week, or a month later, you still will be held responsible for the death of the person you injured. 

You said murder, not manslaughter (not that it matters for this discussion)

The ME did not rule it to be homicide (murder)
Nobody was charged with murder


Just because you say something doesn't make it true

[basballguy]

(04-03-2023, 12:42 PM)Dill Wrote: Where in Texas?  Anywheres near Waco?  My family are from 50 miles west of there.

Sounds like Gatesville (or thereabouts)

Lived in Copperas Cove near Forth Hood until college then moved to Dallas.  

[BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI]

(04-03-2023, 01:08 PM)basballguy Wrote: You said murder, not manslaughter (not that it matters for this discussion)

The ME did not rule it to be homicide (murder)
Nobody was charged with murder


Just because you say something doesn't make it true

Fact: Officer Sicknick did die due to the direct and proximate results of the injuries he sustained during the insurrection on January 6th, so that by definition makes it a homicide.  You do understand homicide and murder are two different things?

Homicide means only an act or omission that causes the death of another, and thus a homicide may result from accidental, reckless, or negligent acts even if there is no intent to cause harm.


So it's not the medical examiner's responsibility to determine if it was a homicide or not, only to determine a cause of death,  and in this case, it was a stroke due to injuries sustained from the attack on our Capitol on January 6th.   The language from the link you provide meets the definition of homicide b/c Officer Sicknick's death occurred due to the direct and proximate result of another's actions.  


"This does not change the fact Officer Sicknick died in the line of duty, courageously defending Congress and the Capitol."

[KillerGoose]

(04-03-2023, 01:18 PM)BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI Wrote: I feel it was murder b/c officer Sicknick did die due to the direct and proximate results of the injuries he sustained during the insurrection on January 6th.  You do understand homicide and murder are two different things?

Homicide means only an act or omission that causes the death of another, and thus a homicide may result from accidental, reckless, or negligent acts even if there is no intent to cause harm.


So it's not the medical examiner's responsibility to determine if it was a homicide or not, only to determine a cause of death,  and in this case, it was a stroke due to injuries sustained from the attack on our Capitol on January 6th.   The language from the link you provide meets the definition of homicide b/c Officer Sicknick's death occurred due to the direct and proximate result of another's actions.  


"This does not change the fact Officer Sicknick died in the line of duty, courageously defending Congress and the Capitol."

No dog in this argument, but this is the first I have ever learned of this. I had always believed homicide and murder were simply interchangeable and meant the same thing. After reading your first sentence, I did a quick search and learned that homicide encompasses both intentional and unintentional killings of a person. Had no idea. I have never seen anyone bring that up.