If it comes down to Trump and the Hildebeest, I'm predicting a landslide.
The highest percentage of blacks voting Republican ever was 12%, surprisingly for Bob Dole.
This person gets it. Not blaming slavery for the plight of the blacks but rather the Democrats.
Apparently this is one black woman who isn't buying the "victim" rhetoric you white guilt folks keep trying to sell them.
But for real I agree with you. I really doubt Trump gets the GOP nomination and it seems to be a lot closer between Hildog and Sanders than the polls would have us believe. With that said, if it ended up being Trump vs Hildog I will either be voting for a 3rd party or possibly not voting at all.
(01-26-2016, 07:35 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Doesn't the GOP usually get around 10% black vote or less?
If they get anything over that they will win.
Your math is off because it ignores other data.
Right now Trump is pulling about 30% of one party that controls about a third of the votes. But he is also leading in the "most hated" list. There is a large portion of the republican party that claims they will not support Trump under any condition. They may not vote Deocrat, but they will either vote for e third party or just stay home.
If Hillary gets the nomination there is a good chance I won't vote this year. But if Trump is in the general election I will not only vote, I will be politically active and actually work to beat him.
(01-27-2016, 01:25 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If Hillary gets the nomination there is a good chance I won't vote this year. But if Trump is in the general election I will not only vote, I will be politically active and actually work to beat him.
Don't ever not vote. Write in if you must, but don't ever not vote.
fredtoa Wrote:Your math is off because it ignores other data.
Right now Trump is pulling about 30% of one party that controls about a third of the votes. But he is also leading in the "most hated" list. There is a large portion of the republican party that claims they will not support Trump under any condition. They may not vote Deocrat, but they will either vote for e third party or just stay home.
If Hillary gets the nomination there is a good chance I won't vote this year. But if Trump is in the general election I will not only vote, I will be politically active and actually work to beat him.
That's offset from the large portion of GOP who didn't vote for Romney because he was a progressive.
Mind you I don't think trump is a good choice but he will be the same as Clinton which is funny that you will actively campaign for her despite her and trump being very similar.
I'm the end we need a true clear cut choice and not this mushy middle nonsense where the parties are the same. Right now Cruz vs Sanders would be the most discussed race and would get people out so we could really see where we are as a Country.
(01-27-2016, 02:15 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I'm the end we need a true clear cut choice and not this mushy middle nonsense where the parties are the same. Right now Cruz vs Sanders would be the most discussed race and would get people out so we could really see where we are as a Country.
We are deeply split as a country. Anyone who has eyes can see this.
For some reason certain people believe that if they have a slight majority they can 100% controll everything without ever making any concession to the other side. And that never comes close to working no matter which side is in power.
Politicians are going to gave to learn how to compromise if we are ever going to fix any problems. They can't pass any law of substance. All that bitching and moaning they do about executive orders could all go away if they just passed a law to override it. The "no compromise" tactic is hurting the entire country.
(01-27-2016, 02:08 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Don't ever not vote. Write in if you must, but don't ever not vote.
It's relatively easy to understand why people would be inclined not to vote, but I am with you on this. It's something we should do, even if it's just voting for the lessor evil. To me, not voting is kind of voting for your most hated.
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(01-27-2016, 04:23 PM)wildcats forever Wrote: It's relatively easy to understand why people would be inclined not to vote, but I am with you on this. It's something we should do, even if it's just voting for the lessor evil. To me, not voting is kind of voting for your most hated.
It is easy to understand, I do get it. I am constantly looking at situations with no candidate that actually represents my positions on issues, if I have an election with more than one person on the ballot to begin with. A few years ago, though, someone that had been around politics for a while and then retired told me that whenever someone ran unopposed and he didn't like them (sometimes he did this even if he did) he would write in someone. The reason is because say the constituency is 1000 people, to make it an even number. If only 350 of those people vote for the unopposed candidate, and everyone else leaves it blank or doesn't vote, then the polls show 100% voted for them because it was 100% of the votes cast. But if every one of those people votes and the other 650 write in people, it can even be someone different for every voter, then the person only receives 35% of the vote. If someone is running unopposed, that's pretty embarrassing.
The same principle applies when you're presented with a perceived choice between a turd sandwich and a giant douche. Vote third party or a write-in, don't not vote. When you become apathetic to piss poor choices on election day then the piss poor choices will just perpetuate, nothing will change. If we actually vote with our conscience, vote who we most closely align with instead of acquiescing or giving up we can at least make some movement towards changing how our system works in this country.
Yes, I know I sound like an idealist, but the power in this country is supposed to belong to the people and it really still does. We just need to start using it.
(01-27-2016, 04:37 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: It is easy to understand, I do get it. I am constantly looking at situations with no candidate that actually represents my positions on issues, if I have an election with more than one person on the ballot to begin with. A few years ago, though, someone that had been around politics for a while and then retired told me that whenever someone ran unopposed and he didn't like them (sometimes he did this even if he did) he would write in someone. The reason is because say the constituency is 1000 people, to make it an even number. If only 350 of those people vote for the unopposed candidate, and everyone else leaves it blank or doesn't vote, then the polls show 100% voted for them because it was 100% of the votes cast. But if every one of those people votes and the other 650 write in people, it can even be someone different for every voter, then the person only receives 35% of the vote. If someone is running unopposed, that's pretty embarrassing.
The same principle applies when you're presented with a perceived choice between a turd sandwich and a giant douche. Vote third party or a write-in, don't not vote. When you become apathetic to piss poor choices on election day then the piss poor choices will just perpetuate, nothing will change. If we actually vote with our conscience, vote who we most closely align with instead of acquiescing or giving up we can at least make some movement towards changing how our system works in this country.
Yes, I know I sound like an idealist, but the power in this country is supposed to belong to the people and it really still does. We just need to start using it.
I ran a tongue-in-cheek write in campaign for County commissioner this last year. I got 3 votes...and my wife did not vote for me!
But if someone is running unopposed I will not vote for them.
If they are running on both tickets I will not vote for them.
I like the idea of writing in a name better though. I think I will do that from now on even if it is not my own!
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
(01-27-2016, 05:32 PM)GMDino Wrote: I ran a tongue-in-cheek write in campaign for County commissioner this last year. I got 3 votes...and my wife did not vote for me!
But if someone is running unopposed I will not vote for them.
If they are running on both tickets I will not vote for them.
I like the idea of writing in a name better though. I think I will do that from now on even if it is not my own!
Don't feel bad, my wife wouldn't vote for me if I ran for office. Not only are our political ideologies different (she is very liberal) but she doesn't want to be a politician's wife.
(01-27-2016, 05:35 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Don't feel bad, my wife wouldn't vote for me if I ran for office. Not only are our political ideologies different (she is very liberal) but she doesn't want to be a politician's wife.
She didn't think I was serious!
I got those three votes and then one for assistant DA! LOL! I told the guy who voted for I didn't think I was qualified for that that one!
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
(01-27-2016, 04:37 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: It is easy to understand, I do get it. I am constantly looking at situations with no candidate that actually represents my positions on issues, if I have an election with more than one person on the ballot to begin with. A few years ago, though, someone that had been around politics for a while and then retired told me that whenever someone ran unopposed and he didn't like them (sometimes he did this even if he did) he would write in someone. The reason is because say the constituency is 1000 people, to make it an even number. If only 350 of those people vote for the unopposed candidate, and everyone else leaves it blank or doesn't vote, then the polls show 100% voted for them because it was 100% of the votes cast. But if every one of those people votes and the other 650 write in people, it can even be someone different for every voter, then the person only receives 35% of the vote. If someone is running unopposed, that's pretty embarrassing.
The same principle applies when you're presented with a perceived choice between a turd sandwich and a giant douche. Vote third party or a write-in, don't not vote. When you become apathetic to piss poor choices on election day then the piss poor choices will just perpetuate, nothing will change. If we actually vote with our conscience, vote who we most closely align with instead of acquiescing or giving up we can at least make some movement towards changing how our system works in this country.
Yes, I know I sound like an idealist, but the power in this country is supposed to belong to the people and it really still does. We just need to start using it.
The first time I wrote in was 1968. It was Alfred E. Neuman for President. That's how bad the selections were in that year. Yet, I refused to not participate.
As for you being an idealist, please never change. It's what we need now more than ever imho.
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(01-26-2016, 03:19 PM)Aquapod770 Wrote: We can only pray...
But for real I agree with you. I really doubt Trump gets the GOP nomination and it seems to be a lot closer between Hildog and Sanders than the polls would have us believe. With that said, if it ended up being Trump vs Hildog I will either be voting for a 3rd party or possibly not voting at all.
I view it this way. Cruz is unelectable at the national level. People have called Hillary unlikeable, compared to Cruz she's positively affable. Outside of the hard edge of the right wing Cruz has zero appeal. He's not even liked within his own party or among his colleagues. Sander is also unelectable at the national level. His age is one reason, albeit a lesser one, but his being an avowed socialist will absolutely get him slaughtered in a national election. To a very large percentage of the American people there is no dirtier word for a politician than socialist. IMO an atheist has a better chance of being elected POTUS than a socialist. Sanders' only chance is if Cruz is his opponent and I view that as by far the least likely of the four current outcomes.
Trump vs. Sanders = President Trump
Hillary vs. Trump = President Clinton
Cruz vs. Hillary = President Clinton
Sanders vs. Cruz = President Sanders
I am adamant that if Sanders is the nominee against Trump that Trump will absolutely bury him.
(01-27-2016, 04:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: We are deeply split as a country. Anyone who has eyes can see this.
For some reason certain people believe that if they have a slight majority they can 100% controll everything without ever making any concession to the other side. And that never comes close to working no matter which side is in power.
Politicians are going to gave to learn how to compromise if we are ever going to fix any problems. They can't pass any law of substance. All that bitching and moaning they do about executive orders could all go away if they just passed a law to override it. The "no compromise" tactic is hurting the entire country.
Yeah I agree somewhat . There are some issue you have to play hardball. I would just be happy if a president would just pass all the things we can agree on. There are loads that even though we are split that we all want to see happen.
That should be an easy solution yet no one does it ever.
I would just like to see a POTUS candidate get up there and say "I am running to be the executive, not a legislator. I won't deny having opinions on legislation but it is not my role to push a legislative agenda. It is my job to carry out our laws, head our diplomatic efforts, and lead our military."
The candidate that says that will earn my vote for certain. I won't be holding my breath, though.
Belsnick Wrote:I would just like to see a POTUS candidate get up there and say "I am running to be the executive, not a legislator. I won't deny having opinions on legislation but it is not my role to push a legislative agenda. It is my job to carry out our laws, head our diplomatic efforts, and lead our military."
The candidate that says that will earn my vote for certain. I won't be holding my breath, though.
My pet peeve is hearing we need am administrator type who can get things moving.
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