Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘s***hole’ countries

[BmorePat87]

(01-12-2018, 03:14 PM)hollodero Wrote: Btw. although one really shouldn't do that as president, it's not so much about calling poor countries shitholes, it's about saying people from that countries aren't welcome.

Exactly. Yes, many of these countries are in poor shape right now and none of us would have an issue with saying that. Granted it's a lot different than saying "shit hole". The issue is saying "why do we want people from there" as if they aren't worthy. There are a lot of great people in those places who want to come somewhere that will allow them to succeed. 

[*bfine32*]

The comment is in poor taste as are attempts to make it a racist comment.

[RICHMONDBENGAL_07]

(01-12-2018, 01:49 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: some people thought we didn't need my ancestors from their rat hole country of Italy...

(01-12-2018, 01:52 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: my other ancestors were considered violent and subhuman

Yeah my grandmother was German, and came here when she was about 2yo.  Though she was born in Germany, you never would've been able to tell, she had no accent.  I didn't even know she could speak German until I was about 12yo or so, when distant relatives came to visit.

[BmorePat87]

(01-12-2018, 03:29 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: Yeah my grandmother was German, and came here when she was about 2yo.  Though she was born in Germany, you never would've been able to tell, she had no accent.  I didn't even know she could speak German until I was about 12yo or so, when distant relatives came to visit.

I can trace my oldest Irish immigrants to the Carrolls of Maryland Daniel who signed the Constitution is my Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great grandfather and his brother John founded Georgetown. Charles was their cousin's son. They faced religious discrimination, but I have some that originated in the late 1800's and my Grandfather's grandparents came to the US from Naples in the late 1800's. His other grandfather was Irish and was marked as "ruddy" not "white" on his WWI draft card.  On my mom's side, that grandfather's grandparents came from Germany in the 1890's. His Italian great-grandmother on his mom's side wasn't considered "white" during the 1860 census when she was only a few years old. They called her mulatto because of her Italian olive skin. 

[StLucieBengal]

(01-12-2018, 12:36 PM)Au165 Wrote: Is it community or country? You said they had a role in making their country terrible. They can have impacts in their small communities however, they still have very little impact on the country as a whole. Now you could make a play that if everyone did it would make the country better, but that wasn't your original statement. Originally you created a conenction between every individual of a country and there ability apparently to make it good or bad through their OWN actions. We aren't calling communities "shitholes" we are calling whole countries "shitholes", so your friend above, what was his role in making Haiti a terrible place?

Their overall values. They elect corrupt people and allow themselves to be taken advantage. They get taken advantage of because they are stupid. They come here and they still do stupid things.

If they were remotely serious about making their lives better and haita’s they either go home or truly cut them off. Never send back anything. Force them to change their lives.

My friend sends back a garage full of stuff every couple of months. He admits he is not helping them but he feels guilty because he left. He isn’t going back because he knows it’s a s-hole country full of low life’s and scammers.

[StLucieBengal]

(01-12-2018, 03:14 PM)hollodero Wrote: Wow, Paul Ryan actually spoke out against the sentiment, albeit without speaking out against stable genius leader.

Btw. although one really shouldn't do that as president, it's not so much about calling poor countries shitholes, it's about saying people from that countries aren't welcome.

Ah, whatever.

Wasn’t it said in private meeting? We all say things in meetings that don’t have the normal filter we would use in public.

Dear lord the comment was crude but let’s be serious. There is Merit there and really we should be careful who we do bring to this country. Which is why Trump is right that we need a point system.

[Belsnickel]

FWIW, Nigerian born immigrants in this country hold college degrees at a higher rate than native born people.

[StLucieBengal]

(01-12-2018, 04:21 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: FWIW, Nigerian born immigrants in this country hold college degrees at a higher rate than native born people.

Would be a great boost to the Nigerian economy if they took that education back built something.

Maybe then The country would be less of a s-hole.

[GMDino]

(01-12-2018, 02:30 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: It’s a pretty blunt way that isn’t really nice of saying what we all already know.   Third world countries are awful.   Not everyone in there is terrible but everyone in that country has a role in making it terrible.   Just as everyone in America has a role in what we are as a country.   The best.  

Willow said it best tonight.  

(01-12-2018, 12:03 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: That’s misleading.   It’s also easier to get degrees abroad.   I can’t speak for the third worlders but most don’t have to take 2 years of nonsense classes before they start their program.    More people here would have degrees as well if you took away the gen ed’s.

(01-12-2018, 04:15 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Their overall values.   They elect corrupt people and allow themselves to be taken advantage.  They get taken advantage of because they are stupid.  They come here and they still do stupid things.  

If they were remotely serious about making their lives better and haita’s they either go home or truly cut them off.   Never send back anything.   Force them to change their lives.  

My friend sends back a garage full of stuff every couple of months.   He admits he is not helping them but he feels guilty because he left.   He isn’t going back because he knows it’s a s-hole country full of low life’s and scammers.

(01-12-2018, 04:21 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: FWIW, Nigerian born immigrants in this country hold college degrees at a higher rate than native born people.

(01-12-2018, 04:32 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Would be a great boost to the Nigerian economy if they took that education back built something.

Maybe then The country would be less of a s-hole.

[*Nately120*]

How fitting that every shithole trailer I drive past has a TRUMP PENCE sign in front of it.

Anyways, Trump's big campaign message was that America has become a giant shithole and people cheered him and elected him, so forgive me if I'm not parituclarly surprised at this. Hell, the right-wing spin machine spent the entire Obama administration telling us how shitty things had become here.

[Vas Deferens]

Just give the senile imbecile a chance.

[*bfine32*]

(01-12-2018, 05:36 PM)Nately120 Wrote: How fitting that every shithole trailer I drive past has a TRUMP PENCE sign in front of it.

Anyways, Trump's big campaign message was that America has become a giant shithole and people cheered him and elected him, so forgive me if I'm not parituclarly surprised at this.  Hell, the right-wing spin machine spent the entire Obama administration telling us how shitty things had become here.

That sounds kind of racist, 

[*Nately120*]

(01-12-2018, 05:52 PM)bfine32 Wrote: That sounds kind of racist, 

I never said anything about the racial background of the people in those shithole trailers. 

[*bfine32*]

(01-12-2018, 05:55 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I never said anything about the racial background of the people in those shithole trailers. 

Exactly.

[*Nately120*]

(01-12-2018, 05:58 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Exactly.

Oh crap, I'm the guy who just exonerated Trump of racism.  Ouch. On a related note, I have to wonder why Trump would want more people from socialist shitholes like Norway, though.

[GMDino]

On another side note:

Reporters yelling "Are you racist?!?!" at the POTUS aren't helping.

You ask him if he used the word he is accused of using.

If he says yes there is verification.

If he says no you follow up by asking what he said...if he remembers.

Then watch him dance.

He's not going to say he's a racist, even if he is.

[NATI BENGALS]

Morally bankrupt party full of fake religious folks who dont give two shits about their fellow man. They will lie straight to your face and worship money.

As an Agnostic it makes me hope there really is an eternal damnation where they can burn.

[StoneTheCrow]

(01-12-2018, 05:36 PM)Nately120 Wrote: How fitting that every shithole trailer I drive past has a TRUMP PENCE sign in front of it.

Anyways, Trump's big campaign message was that America has become a giant shithole and people cheered him and elected him, so forgive me if I'm not parituclarly surprised at this. Hell, the right-wing spin machine spent the entire Obama administration telling us how shitty things had become here.

Where I live all the trailer parks are full of either white trash or illegals, so both voter bases are represented.

[*Nately120*]

(01-12-2018, 07:41 PM)StoneTheCrow Wrote: Where I live all the trailer parks are full of either white trash or illegals, so both voter bases are represented.

Illegals vote now?  

[StLucieBengal]

(01-12-2018, 06:14 PM)GMDino Wrote: On another side note:

Reporters yelling "Are you racist?!?!" at the POTUS aren't helping.

You ask him if he used the word he is accused of using.

If he says yes there is verification.

If he says no you follow up by asking what he said...if he remembers.

Then watch him dance.

He's not going to say he's a racist, even if he is.

Reporters yelling “are you racist” is exactly why most think it’s all fake news out there.... dear lord he called awful countries s-holes. It was crude and unnecessary even if we already know they are s-holes.

The more they overreach and overreact the closer we get to a 2020 win for Trump.