Trump continues to back aluminum and steel tariffs despite Republican fears

[StLucieBengal]

(03-06-2018, 04:02 PM)Griever Wrote: why cant you defend trump without delving into whataboutisms?

if you cant defend trump without deflecting onto obama, that should tell you something

You should direct this post to your boy Dino. I was merely responding.

I didn’t defend his tariff plan. I was clearly against it.

[GMDino]

(03-06-2018, 04:32 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: You should direct this post to your boy Dino.  I was merely responding.    

I didn’t defend his tariff plan.   I was clearly against it.

Then don't say you "respect" someone for doing something you are against.  Looks foolish.

[BmorePat87]

This thread is about poorly thought out trade policies not Obama's stance on Iran. Can we stick to discussing how this short sighted move will harm the economy?

[ballsofsteel]

Drumph just was in a press conference and said these tariff's would not hurt us but the other side. He told another dozen lies as usual also.

[ballsofsteel]

(03-05-2018, 07:14 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Where did I say I was behind tariffs?   I literally started my post against it.  

You can be against tariffs but respect the fact he is keeping a campaign promise.   Both can be true at the same time.

I assuming you don't agree with Drumph grabbing women's vajayjay any time he wants but you respect him for doing what he says by admitting it? No

[GMDino]

(03-06-2018, 06:15 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: This thread is about poorly thought out trade policies not Obama's stance on Iran. Can we stick to discussing how this short sighted move will harm the economy?

I heard a good explanation today about how Trump is so stuck on one-on-one deals he never understands the broader implications to the economy.

[BmorePat87]

(03-06-2018, 06:39 PM)GMDino Wrote: I heard a good explanation today about how Trump is so stuck on one-on-one deals he never understands the broader implications to the economy.

His role has always been that of a "closer". He just has to come in and say "let's do it". Smarter men work out the details and then he comes in to sign it. So when daddy hooks you up with $70m to buy real estate in 1970, you're able to let better men make money for you. You see yourself as a deal maker and hire a guy to write a book for you about making deals. In reality, your deal making is letting other people work out details and then just shaking some hands at the end. You then refuse the pay the person after the job is done and bank on being able to outlast the other in lawyer fees.

Eventually you get to the point where you have enough money that you start wanting to see your name in more places. So you start casinos and buy historic hotels and you run them into the ground because you honestly don't have the chops to run them. You get saved by bankruptcy and family money and eventually are able to market your showman ability into a TV deal. You're now a brand that represents business success, despite a decade of failure, because on TV you play a successful businessman. This means you can just sell your name to people for a fee. 

And now we're in a position where our economy can be impacted directly by someone who has only had to just show up after everything was done. So we get these asinine claims that trade wars are "good and easy to win" and that tariffs only punish the other country. And it's not like there's discussions going on about this. Few people are made aware, and despite chief economic advisors saying it is an awful idea, you have the President getting on ***** twitter to make an ass out of himself and say these stupid ***** things, announcing harmful and thoughtless policy via social media. 

Once beer prices go up, maybe his base will understand how this affects everything. 

[BmorePat87]

And his chief economic advisor has resigned over his dip-shittery

[Belsnickel]

The idea of the tariffs is stupid. First, the majority of steel used in the US is US steel. Second, the vast majority of aluminum we import if from Canada. The whole whole idea that this is based on national security is bogus from the onset. This shouldn't surprise anyone, though, because the one ideological stance Trump actually has is anti-free trade protectionism. It's been his way for decades.

[RICHMONDBENGAL_07]

(03-05-2018, 05:33 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Not a tariff guy at all.   But he did say he would do this on The campaign trail and is following though.  Certainly have to credit him for that no matter where you stand on this issue.  

Democrats should be happy.   This is exactly what theyir boy Bernie wanted to do.

I'm going to put this in a bit of a different "explanation"

Just because I support a politician DOSEN'T mean I support all their positions.  As a "liberal" (most describe me that way), I absolutely did not support AHCA (sorry fellow liberals, we could discuss this in another thread if you wish.)  My point is that....Some things are going to be partisan for sure, other things should be unanimous.  IMO AHCA and Trumps Tariffs should be regarded by both sides as bad policy.   If you're party is making bad decisions be vocal about It!  Even if you have to swallow a hard pill. 

I once had an officer while I was in the Navy who really made an impression on me.  I honestly don't know if this was his original quote or some one else's that he stole, but it stuck...."don't let me fall in love with my own plan".  The point is, listen to your subordinates, they often have a better view point.

[GMDino]

(03-07-2018, 04:14 AM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: I'm going to put this in a bit of a different "explanation"

Just because I support a politician DOSEN'T mean I support all their positions.  As a "liberal" (most describe me that way), I absolutely did not support AHCA (sorry fellow liberals, we could discuss this in another thread if you wish.)  My point is that....Some things are going to be partisan for sure, other things should be unanimous.  IMO AHCA and Trumps Tariffs should be regarded by both sides as bad policy.   If you're party is making bad decisions be vocal about It!  Even if you have to swallow a hard pill. 

I once had an officer while I was in the Navy who really made an impression on me.  I honestly don't know if this was his original quote or some one else's that he stole, but it stuck...."don't let me fall in love with my own plan".  The point is, listen to your subordinates, they often have a better view point.

This.

I don't "respect" someone who does the wrong thing, that I disagreed with, just because he did it anyway.  

And ia totally agree that if a leader doesn't listen to someone just because that person is "below" them they are not a good leader.

[GMDino]

(03-06-2018, 08:01 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: And his chief economic advisor has resigned over his dip-shittery

Yet the delusion goes on....

Will be making a decision soon on the appointment of new Chief Economic Advisor. Many people wanting the job - will choose wisely!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 7, 2018

[BmorePat87]

From Bush 1 to present, our Country has lost more than 55,000 factories, 6,000,000 manufacturing jobs and accumulated Trade Deficits of more than 12 Trillion Dollars. Last year we had a Trade Deficit of almost 800 Billion Dollars. Bad Policies & Leadership. Must WIN again! #MAGA

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 7, 2018

And yet we've seen net job growth. You know, since FDR, steam locomotive use is down. There's another 19th century relic we can revive.

[GMDino]

(03-07-2018, 09:41 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote:

From Bush 1 to present, our Country has lost more than 55,000 factories, 6,000,000 manufacturing jobs and accumulated Trade Deficits of more than 12 Trillion Dollars. Last year we had a Trade Deficit of almost 800 Billion Dollars. Bad Policies & Leadership. Must WIN again! #MAGA

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 7, 2018

And yet we've seen net job growth. You know, since FDR, steam locomotive use is down. There's another 19th century relic we can revive.

[BmorePat87]

(03-07-2018, 08:22 AM)GMDino Wrote: Yet the delusion goes on....

Will be making a decision soon on the appointment of new Chief Economic Advisor. Many people wanting the job - will choose wisely!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 7, 2018

Many people probably do want it, but they won't be his first choice like the last guy was. As a Jew, Gary Cohn stuck around after Trump defended Nazis. That's how serious he is when he says that these tariffs are an awful idea. 

[Belsnickel]

(03-07-2018, 04:14 AM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: I'm going to put this in a bit of a different "explanation"

Just because I support a politician DOSEN'T mean I support all their positions.  As a "liberal" (most describe me that way), I absolutely did not support AHCA (sorry fellow liberals, we could discuss this in another thread if you wish.)  My point is that....Some things are going to be partisan for sure, other things should be unanimous.  IMO AHCA and Trumps Tariffs should be regarded by both sides as bad policy.   If you're party is making bad decisions be vocal about It!  Even if you have to swallow a hard pill. 

I once had an officer while I was in the Navy who really made an impression on me.  I honestly don't know if this was his original quote or some one else's that he stole, but it stuck...."don't let me fall in love with my own plan".  The point is, listen to your subordinates, they often have a better view point.

I agree with you on this, except that you named AHCA, or the GOP healthcare act from last year. Did you mean something else?

[Benton]

Kudos to Trump for the tariffs.

Century — which shut down aluminium production in KY a couple years ago — is ready to invest $100 million of its own dollars into old plants as soon as tariffs are implemented. These are the same plants that when they shut down spiked electricity bills by 20% (or more) because the electric co-op had to spread out the loss somewhere.

China floods the market with cheap steal and aluminum by having the government pay for it. American companies buy whatever is the cheapest. Tariffs level that.

If nothing else, you know its the right move when Republicans and Democrats unite in opposition.

[BmorePat87]

(03-07-2018, 10:38 PM)Benton Wrote: Kudos to Trump for the tariffs.

Century — which shut down aluminium production in KY a couple years ago — is ready to invest $100 million of its own dollars into  old plants as soon as tariffs are implemented. These are the same plants that when they shut down spiked electricity bills by 20% (or more) because the electric co-op had to spread out the loss somewhere.

China floods the market with cheap steal and aluminum by having the government pay for it. American companies buy whatever is the cheapest. Tariffs level that.

If nothing else, you know its the right move when Republicans and Democrats unite in opposition.

I hope that $100k offsets the increased costs for other businesses and the jobless. 

[Benton]

(03-08-2018, 12:39 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I hope that $100k offsets the increased costs for other businesses and the jobless. 

Not sure where $100k comes into it, but as far as that community, the return of a couple hundred jobs making $15-$30 an hour will be huge. Same in my town where the ameri steel plant closed, laying off a couple hundred making in the same range. Most of those guys who stayed have ended up working as general labor for 10-$12 an hour or driving trucks.

If that means a toaster costs 32 cents more, I think it’s a good thing. Especially given that there’s more people who can — in theory — afford toasters.

I do wonder how trump supporters like him making a labor union happy.

[BmorePat87]

(03-08-2018, 11:02 AM)Benton Wrote: Not sure where $100k comes into it, but as far as that community, the return of a couple hundred jobs making $15-$30 an hour will be huge. Same in my town where the ameri steel plant closed, laying off a couple hundred making in the same range. Most of those guys who stayed have ended up working as general labor for 10-$12 an hour or driving trucks.

If that means a toaster costs 32 cents more, I think it’s a good thing. Especially given that there’s more people who can — in theory — afford toasters.

I do wonder how trump supporters like him making a labor union happy.

There's no doubt this move will help a few select industries and workers that tend to be in Red areas, but the overall impact will be negative for the country.

In terms of playing to your base, it's a good move. In terms of guarding the economy, it's a poor move.