Trump now accused of colluding....

[Dill]

(09-12-2018, 10:29 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Yes, the US has done volumes to reduce their input to global warming.  If only we could get places like China and Russia on board...

Well we certainly had China aboard. Then the U.S. jumped ship. China soon to be captain now, if not already.

U.S. withdrawal from the Paris Agreement: Reasons, impacts, and China's response
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1674927817301028

The withdrawal undercuts the foundation of global climate governance and upsets the process of climate cooperation, and the impacts are manifold. The withdrawal undermines the universality of the Paris Agreement and impairs states' confidence in climate cooperation; it aggravates the leadership deficit in addressing global climate issues and sets a bad precedent for international climate cooperation. The withdrawal reduces other countries' emission space and raises their emission costs, and refusal to contribute to climate aid makes it more difficult for developing countries to mitigate and adapt to climate change. Cutting climate research funding will compromise the quality of future IPCC reports and ultimately undermine the scientific authority of future climate negotiations. China faces mounting pressure from the international community to assume global climate leadership after the U.S. withdraws, and this article proposes that China should reach the high ends of its domestic climate targets under the current Nationally Determined Contributions; internationally, China should facilitate the rebuilding of shared climate leadership, replacing the G2 with C5. Meanwhile, China needs to keep the U.S. engaged in climate cooperation.

[Dill]

(09-12-2018, 08:52 PM)bfine32 Wrote: This is right up there with Bernie blaming Terrorism on Global Warming.

I've heard the left has introduced a bill that requires every hurricane to be named Donald.

Is there a record of Bernie blaming terrorism on global warming? 

The left-wing Pentagon seems to think it will drive future conflict.

[*bfine32*]

(09-13-2018, 12:24 AM)Dill Wrote: Is there a record of Bernie blaming terrorism on global warming? 

The left-wing Pentagon seems to think it will drive future conflict.

“Absolutely. In fact, climate change is directly related to the rise of global terrorism," he said. "This is what the CIA says," he went on to say, noting a struggle for limited resources like water and land.

[Dill]

(09-13-2018, 12:29 AM)bfine32 Wrote: “Absolutely. In fact, climate change is directly related to the rise of global terrorism," he said. "This is what the CIA says," he went on to say, noting a struggle for limited resources like water and land.

So Bernie is not blaming terrorism on global warming. He is referencing a CIA claim that climate change is one driver of the social unrest and conflict which breaks down security which, in turn, enables terrorist groups to take root.  As has happened in Syria.

[ballsofsteel]

I don't think Trump was colluding with Russia, he was just money laundering for them for years. Is that a crime?

[GMDino]

(09-13-2018, 01:52 AM)Dill Wrote: So Bernie is not blaming terrorism on global warming. He is referencing a CIA claim that climate change is one driver of the social unrest and conflict which breaks down security which, in turn, enables terrorist groups to take root.  As has happened in Syria.

Exactly.  But if you take the thing entirely out of context and just take every word at face value?  Then you can make an outlandish claim in an attempt to smear someone as...what?  I dunno.  Does bfine thing Sanders is stupid for agreeing with the CIA?  Hard to tell.  

[GMDino]

(09-12-2018, 11:56 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I don't think anyone is saying that. I think they're are laughing at the idiocy for blaming Trump.

I'm laughing at people who don't get the nuance of an article talking about one man who is the POTUS and his administration ignoring science and doing more harm than good and leading to bigger problems down the road.  People who think the article actually say Donald Trump himself is directly responsible for causing the hurricane as if my the power of his mind alone!  

But people will do whatever they can to defend Trump even if it means lying about the gist/subject of the article and looking foolish.

[GMDino]

Speaking of the hurricane...please be safe if you are in the path.

Also:

[*michaelsean*]

(09-13-2018, 10:18 AM)GMDino Wrote: Speaking of the hurricane...please be safe if you are in the path.

Also:

How is it socialist?

[GMDino]

(09-13-2018, 10:27 AM)michaelsean Wrote: How is it socialist?

You really don't know? I'll assume since there was no emoji you really don't...

It's funded by all of us...like DOT's, public education, etc.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fema-and-disaster-socialism

Conservatives are not a fan of it.  

https://www.fff.org/2012/11/05/hurricanes-and-socialism/

It's like the argument that if we didn't have insurance our medical bills would be cheaper.

[Dill]

(09-13-2018, 10:27 AM)michaelsean Wrote: How is it socialist?

Well it's less socialist now.

The Trump administration has transferred 9.8 million from FEMA to ICE. 

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/12/647021316/trump-administration-transferred-9-8-million-from-fema-to-ice

[*michaelsean*]

(09-13-2018, 10:43 AM)GMDino Wrote: You really don't know? I'll assume since there was no emoji you really don't...

It's funded by all of us...like DOT's, public education, etc.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fema-and-disaster-socialism

Conservatives are not a fan of it.  

https://www.fff.org/2012/11/05/hurricanes-and-socialism/

It's like the argument that if we didn't have insurance our medical bills would be cheaper.

That's not what socialism is, but if you are saying that the conservatives are right when they call Dems socialists then I won't argue.  

[Belsnickel]

Models show that more extreme weather will become more common as a result of global climate change. Therefore, the scientific illiterate that ignore the human impact on climate change and those that push policies that ignore climate science are complicit in this. I'm not sure what the controversy is.

[Dill]

(09-13-2018, 11:05 AM)michaelsean Wrote: That's not what socialism is, but if you are saying that the conservatives are right when they call Dems socialists then I won't argue.  

What is socialism, in your view?

Also, can a program be socialist while a government is not? 

[Belsnickel]

(09-13-2018, 12:29 AM)bfine32 Wrote: “Absolutely. In fact, climate change is directly related to the rise of global terrorism," he said. "This is what the CIA says," he went on to say, noting a struggle for limited resources like water and land.

Related. A correlational statement and not a causal one, and a claim not even made by Sanders but stating something the CIA said. So you made a false claim.

[Dill]

You say:

(09-13-2018, 11:10 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Models show that more extreme weather will become more common as a result of global climate change. Therefore, the scientific illiterate that ignore the human impact on climate change and those that push policies that ignore climate science are complicit in this. I'm not sure what the controversy is. 

But Trump supporters hear:

(09-13-2018, 11:10 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Trump causes Global Warming!!

Maybe you are not explaining it right.

[Vlad]

Where's the outrage???

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/john-kerry-iran-deal-collusion/

Good time to evoke the Logan Act.
Agree or disagree?
 
In our current two tier justice system ...agree if he's a Republican, disagree if he's a democrat I would assume... correct?

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799 (1799-01-30)) is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized persons with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. The intent behind the Act is to prevent unauthorized negotiations from undermining the government's position.
Violation of the Logan Act is a felony.

Promulgated by the US Congress in 1799, the Logan Act (Figure 1) prohibits American citizens acting “without authority” from the US Government from engaging in any “correspondence or intercourse” with a foreign government or its representatives that interferes with US foreign policy.

Some are even calling his actions treasonous, but I believe that's a little over the top.

Treason is the crime of betraying your country, for example, by helping its enemies or by trying to remove its government using violence.

[*michaelsean*]

(09-13-2018, 11:12 AM)Dill Wrote: What is socialism, in your view?

Also, can a program be socialist while a government is not? 

No I don't believe government services are socialism.  Government and therefore popular ownership of industry is socialism.  I understand that is a pretty simple definition and I eagerly await your novella in response.  

[GMDino]

(09-13-2018, 11:22 AM)Vlad Wrote: Where's the outrage???

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/john-kerry-iran-deal-collusion/

Good time to evoke the Logan Act.
Agree or disagree?
 
In our current two tier justice system ...agree if he's a Republican, disagree if he's a democrat I would assume... correct?

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799 (1799-01-30)) is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized persons with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. The intent behind the Act is to prevent unauthorized negotiations from undermining the government's position.
Violation of the Logan Act is a felony.

Promulgated by the US Congress in 1799, the Logan Act (Figure 1) prohibits American citizens acting “without authority” from the US Government from engaging in any “correspondence or intercourse” with a foreign government or its representatives that interferes with US foreign policy.

Some are even calling his actions treasonous, but I believe that's a little over the top.

Treason is the crime of betraying your country, for example, by helping its enemies or by trying to remove its government using violence.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(09-13-2018, 11:23 AM)michaelsean Wrote: No I don't believe government services are socialism.  Government and therefore popular ownership of industry is socialism.  I understand that is a pretty simple definition and I eagerly await your novella in response.  

Socialism is, as you say, government assuming control over the means of production.  There has never been a socialist country that even remotely succeeded.  The less educated among us like to point to certain European nations as socialist, which is, of course, completely false.  Even the most extreme European examples are capitalist societies that spend a large percentage of their wealth on social programs.  Social programs and government agencies actually doing their job is not socialism as GMDino claims in his wildly incorrect fashion.  All western nations are a mix, to varying degrees, of capitalism and social programs.  The United states falls more on the capitalist end of the spectrum but there is no country on this planet that is purely capitalist, meaning the government has no regulatory power over the function of corporations or other businesses.


One of our biggest issues in this country are people who don't understand what words actually mean, but freely use them.  Racism is not bigotry coupled with power, it's just bigotry towards another race.  Socialism is not a social program, it is government control over the means of production.  I will not charge the ignorant among us for this free lesson, but that does not make me a socialist.