M/illions march in NY against the Repubs

[GMDino]

(09-24-2019, 02:08 PM)michaelsean Wrote: No I'm saying there are a multitude of reasons people can be responding to her negatively. Why do you think she excluded women?  Certainly there have been women who have responded negatively.

Meanwhile I'm going to go write an article about why black men do certain things.  It  should be a hit.  

Sure can be.  She is speaking about one of them and very specifically.

I say go for it!  

[*michaelsean*]

(09-24-2019, 02:10 PM)GMDino Wrote: Sure can be.  She is speaking about one of them and very specifically.

I say go for it!  

And then extrapolated it to a bunch of other people.  And he called her "freakishly effective" or something like that, and she decided that "freakishly" was actually in reference to her although using "freakishly" as an adverb in that way is quite popular.  

[GMDino]

16 year old girl who has English as her second language just schooled Donald Trump.

[GMDino]

Once again; this isn’t about just 5 nations.
They were named since they are the highest emitters that have ratified the UN Convention of the Rights of the Child, on which the complaint is built. China, USA, Saudi Arabia, Russia etc haven’t.
Visit https://t.co/VxeelgLkDi for more. https://t.co/TKQjJ3KjsR

— Greta Thunberg (@GretaThunberg) September 24, 2019

 

[*michaelsean*]

(09-24-2019, 02:47 PM)GMDino Wrote: 16 year old girl who has English as her second language just schooled Donald Trump.

Is it missing something or am I?  I just see a quote that I think Trump might have made.

[GMDino]

(09-24-2019, 02:49 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Is it missing something or am I?  I just see a quote that I think Trump might have made.

Yes.  You are missing her turn an attempt to throw shade from a 70+ year old dotard into a clever burn.

[fredtoast]

(09-24-2019, 02:49 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Is it missing something or am I?  I just see a quote that I think Trump might have made.

You are. You obviously did not see trumps tweet.

[*michaelsean*]

(09-24-2019, 02:58 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You are. You obviously did not see trumps tweet.

i guess not.  I thought what was written there is what he wrote.  I'll go look now.

Edit: OK so he said it sarcastically. Got it. Here I thought he had learned something and decided to just say something nice. My bad.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(09-24-2019, 12:49 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I had no idea who she was when I commented on Dino’s meme. I just thought it was a stupid meme. But I have since looked up a video of her, and yeah it’s not s great approach. “We will never forgive you”. First of all, I don’t care you won’t be the first, but who is she speaking for?  And then a bunch of “How dare you’d”. If I heard it right she scoffs at 50% reduction in emissions in ten years.  So she’s aligned with some hardcore people.  She dismisses the need for economic growth but can afford to sail a yacht across the Atlantic.

Edit: Yes this is 100% about the messenger since I don’t know from whom the message originated.

You only responded to one of the several points I made and are still one ahead of Dino who still thinks "attacking muh messangar!" because that's what he's been told to say and think.  Seriously, we used to have some decent back and forths on this board, and the old one (GA9 and Lucie aside), but apparently that's not possible anymore because many people flat out refuse to actually address the content of a post and instead keep pushing their narrative.

[GMDino]

(09-24-2019, 03:43 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You only responded to one of the several points I made and are still one ahead of Dino who still thinks "attacking muh messangar!" because that's what he's been told to say and think.  Seriously, we used to have some decent back and forths on this board, and the old one (GA9 and Lucie aside), but apparently that's not possible anymore because many people flat out refuse to actually address the content of a post and instead keep pushing their narrative.

[fredtoast]

(09-24-2019, 10:55 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: 2.  This message is being directed at the wrong audience.  The main polluter in the world is China.  Somehow I don't think we'll see Greta in Beijing delivering her fiery lecture.  Add in the third world and you have the vast majority of pollution, yet these polluters are omitted.  The more cynical side of me believes this is because attacking poor third world countries would be dreadfully un-PC. 

most pollution is generated by countries and areas of the world that Greta (or more appropriately her handlers) don't appear to be concerned about. 

China is a charter member of the UN.  When did Greta say they were excluded?  And I find it kind of funny that you think the reason she won't speak in China is just because she "isn't concerned" with their pollution.

The third world countries are not the main targets because they don't produce near as much pollution but also because they don't have the finances available to develop and implement green renewable energy.

(09-24-2019, 10:55 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: 3.  We're already past the point that reducing emissions will be a game changer.

This is not true.  Funny how the echo chamber went straight from "Man is not contributing to climate change" to "Man is the problem but it is too late to make a difference."  Amazing there was never any middle ground.  As soon as their first lie was destroyed they rolled out another one.

[GMDino]

Quote:Recently I’ve seen many rumors circulating about me and enormous amounts of hate. This is no surprise to me. I know that since most people are not aware of the full meaning of the climate crisis (which is understandable since it has never been treated as a crisis) a school strike for the climate would seem very strange to people in general.

So let me make some things clear about my school strike.

In may 2018 I was one of the winners in a writing competition about the environment held by Svenska Dagbladet, a Swedish newspaper. I got my article published and some people contacted me, among others was Bo Thorén from Fossil Free Dalsland. He had some kind of group with people, especially youth, who wanted to do something about the climate crisis.

I had a few phone meetings with other activists. The purpose was to come up with ideas of new projects that would bring attention to the climate crisis. Bo had a few ideas of things we could do. Everything from marches to a loose idea of some kind of a school strike (that school children would do something on the schoolyards or in the classrooms). That idea was inspired by the Parkland Students, who had refused to go to school after the school shootings.

I liked the idea of a school strike. So I developed that idea and tried to get the other young people to join me, but no one was really interested. They thought that a Swedish version of the Zero Hour march was going to have a bigger impact. So I went on planning the school strike all by myself and after that I didn’t participate in any more meetings.

When I told my parents about my plans they weren’t very fond of it. They did not support the idea of school striking and they said that if I were to do this I would have to do it completely by myself and with no support from them.

On the 20 of august I sat down outside the Swedish Parliament. I handed out fliers with a long list of facts about the climate crisis and explanations on why I was striking. The first thing I did was to post on Twitter and Instagram what I was doing and it soon went viral. Then journalists and newspapers started to come. A Swedish entrepreneur and business man active in the climate movement, Ingmar Rentzhog, was among the first to arrive. He spoke with me and took pictures that he posted on Facebook. That was the first time I had ever met or spoken with him. I had not communicated or encountered with him ever before.

Many people love to spread rumors saying that I have people ”behind me” or that I’m being ”paid” or ”used” to do what I’m doing. But there is no one ”behind” me except for myself. My parents were as far from climate activists as possible before I made them aware of the situation.

I am not part of any organization. I sometimes support and cooperate with several NGOs that work with the climate and environment. But I am absolutely independent and I only represent myself. And I do what I do completely for free, I have not received any money or any promise of future payments in any form at all. And nor has anyone linked to me or my family done so.

And of course it will stay this way. I have not met one single climate activist who is fighting for the climate for money. That idea is completely absurd.

Furthermore I only travel with permission from my school and my parents pay for tickets and accommodations.

My family has written a book together about our family and how me and my sister Beata have influenced my parents way of thinking and seeing the world, especially when it comes to the climate. And about our diagnoses.

That book was due to be released in May. But since there was a major disagreement with the book company, we ended up changing to a new publisher and so the book was released in august instead.

Before the book was released my parents made it clear that their possible profits from the book ”Scener ur hjärtat” will be going to 8 different charities working with environment, children with diagnoses and animal rights.

And yes, I write my own speeches. But since I know that what I say is going to reach many, many people I often ask for input. I also have a few scientists that I frequently ask for help on how to express certain complicated matters. I want everything to be absolutely correct so that
I don’t spread incorrect facts, or things that can be misunderstood.

Some people mock me for my diagnosis. But Asperger is not a disease, it’s a gift. People also say that since I have Asperger I couldn’t possibly have put myself in this position. But that’s exactly why I did this. Because if I would have been ”normal” and social I would have organized myself in an organisation, or started an organisation by myself. But since I am not that good at socializing I did this instead. I was so frustrated that nothing was being done about the climate crisis and I felt like I had to do something, anything. And sometimes NOT doing things - like just sitting down outside the parliament - speaks much louder than doing things. Just like a whisper sometimes is louder than shouting.

Also there is one complaint that I ”sound and write like an adult”. And to that I can only say; don’t you think that a 16-year old can speak for herself? There’s also some people who say that I oversimplify things. For example when I say that "the climate crisis is a black and white issue”, ”we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases” and ”I want you to panic”. But that I only say because it’s true. Yes, the climate crisis is the most complex issue that we have ever faced and it’s going to take everything from our part to ”stop it”. But the solution is black and white; we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases.

Because either we limit the warming to 1,5 degrees C over pre industrial levels, or we don’t. Either we reach a tipping point where we start a chain reaction with events way beyond human control, or we don’t. Either we go on as a civilization, or we don’t. There are no gray areas when it comes to survival.

And when I say that I want you to panic I mean that we need to treat the crisis as a crisis. When your house is on fire you don’t sit down and talk about how nice you can rebuild it once you put out the fire. If your house is on fire you run outside and make sure that everyone is out while you call the fire department. That requires some level of panic.

There is one other argument that I can’t do anything about. And that is the fact that I’m ”just a child and we shouldn’t be listening to children.” But that is easily fixed - just start to listen to the rock solid science instead. Because if everyone listened to the scientists and the facts that I constantly refer to - then no one would have to listen to me or any of the other hundreds of thousands of school children on strike for the climate across the world. Then we could all go back to school.

I am just a messenger, and yet I get all this hate. I am not saying anything new, I am just saying what scientists have repeatedly said for decades. And I agree with you, I’m too young to do this. We children shouldn’t have to do this. But since almost no one is doing anything, and our very future is at risk, we feel like we have to continue.

And if you have any other concern or doubt about me, then you can listen to my TED talk ( https://www.ted.com/…/greta_thunberg_the_disarming_…/up-next ), in which I talk about how my interest for the climate and environment began.

And thank you everyone for you kind support! It brings me hope.
/Greta

Ps I was briefly a youth advisor for the board of the non profit foundation “We don’t have time”. It turns out they used my name as part of another branch of their organisation that is a start up business. They have admitted clearly that they did so without the knowledge of me or my family. I no longer have any connection to “We don’t have time”. Nor has anyone in my family. They have deeply apologised and I have accepted their apology.

[Dill]

(09-24-2019, 03:50 PM)fredtoast Wrote: China is a charter member of the UN.  When did Greta say they were excluded?  And I find it kind of funny that you think the reason she won't speak in China is just because she "isn't concerned" with their pollution.

The third world countries are not the main targets because they don't produce near as much pollution but also because they don't have the finances available to develop and implement green renewable energy.

This is not true.  Funny how the echo chamber went straight from "Man is not contributing to climate change" to "Man is the problem but it is too late to make a difference."  Amazing there was never any middle ground.  As soon as their first lie was destroyed they rolled out another one.

Excellent point.  There were was a stage before your two--"Climate change is not occuring." Now most agree it is. Hence the disagreement over whether it is anthropogenic. If the answer is yes, people would have to regulate some carbon production.  The "tool late now" justifies continued inaction.