Trump's trade war

[GMDino]

I have a serious question, maybe someone smarter than me can answer it:

Does the his new tariffs on China include his clothing line and MAGA hats as well as Ivanka Trump's clothing line?

I ask because I'd think that would be a yuge conflict of interest if they are not.

Again, none of his supporters care.  They don't care if they lose their farms over Trump's trade policies because "he's their guy", but I still wonder.

[*wildcats forever*]

(07-06-2018, 10:24 AM)GMDino Wrote: I have a serious question, maybe someone smarter than me can answer it:

Does the his new tariffs on China include his clothing line and MAGA hats as well as Ivanka Trump's clothing line?

I ask because I'd think that would be a yuge conflict of interest if they are not.

Again, none of his supporters care.  They don't care if they lose their farms over Trump's trade policies because "he's their guy", but I still wonder.

Here's the NY Times article on the specifics: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/03/us/politics/white-house-chinese-imports-tariffs.html

Clothing seems to be excluded, but some medications are included. Raw materials and parts for manufacturing and agriculture seem to be the emphasis.  Here is the list of items affected (scroll about 1/5 of the way down to page 14 to the 'annex'): https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/Press/Releases/301FRN.pdf

[*Nately120*]

I'm pretty sure the official maga hats are made in the USA.

[GMDino]

(07-06-2018, 01:05 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I'm pretty sure the official maga hats are made in the USA.

Seem you care correct.  The official ones say they are made in the USA.

[Millhouse]

(07-06-2018, 12:57 PM)wildcats forever Wrote: Here's the NY Times article on the specifics: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/03/us/politics/white-house-chinese-imports-tariffs.html

Clothing seems to be excluded, but some medications are included. Raw materials and parts for manufacturing and agriculture seem to be the emphasis.  Here is the list of items affected (scroll about 1/5 of the way down to page 14 to the 'annex'): https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/Press/Releases/301FRN.pdf

Pretty sure this thread wasn't created with the intention to be serious, but another one to just bash Trump because there hasnt been enough of them started in the last 2 hours.

[*Nately120*]

(07-06-2018, 01:23 PM)GMDino Wrote: Seem you care correct.  The official ones say they are made in the USA.

In all fairness, the term "made in America" isn't exactly a rock solid catchall.  I recall reading that the materials are imported and the hats are likely assembled here, which is better than being imported here fully-assembled....but it's likely the amount of American labor that goes into making them has been reduced in order to maximize profits AND get that coveted "MADE IN THE USA" token on there.

So, "made elsewhere but assembled in America, possibly in great part by machine and not a person" is more likely the way to put it.  Again, better than nothing, but I'd wager those hats don't exactly bleed red white and blue.

(07-06-2018, 01:35 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Pretty sure this thread wasn't created with the intention to be serious, but another one to just bash Trump because there hasnt been enough of them started in the last 2 hours.

Meh, Trump-bashing has been going on for decades.

[GMDino]

(07-06-2018, 01:35 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Pretty sure this thread wasn't created with the intention to be serious, but another one to just bash Trump because there hasnt been enough of them started in the last 2 hours.

It was a serious question because the POTUS and his daughter make a great amount of money from their products that are manufactured in China.

That's not bashing..that's questioning.

[*Nately120*]

(07-06-2018, 01:39 PM)GMDino Wrote: It was a serious question because the POTUS and his daughter make a great amount of money from their products that are manufactured in China.

That's not bashing..that's questioning.

It is a logical question.  Apparently questioning our leaders was more of a patriotic thing to do when Obummer was in office and now it's taken on more of a "bashing" quality.  Oh well.

[*wildcats forever*]

(07-06-2018, 01:35 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Pretty sure this thread wasn't created with the intention to be serious, but another one to just bash Trump because there hasnt been enough of them started in the last 2 hours.

The question raised by the OP is a legitimate one, as rumors have it that quite a bit of money is involved with Chinese made apparel being sold here associated with the name of Trump. Excluding a tariff seems to be a conflict of interest. Is this something with which you disagree?

[*michaelsean*]

(07-06-2018, 02:02 PM)wildcats forever Wrote: The question raised by the OP is a legitimate one, as rumors have it that quite a bit of money is involved with Chinese made apparel being sold here associated with the name of Trump. Excluding a tariff seems to be a conflict of interest. Is this something with which you disagree?

Yeah it could be, but if they are targeting specific items for specific reasons, then it wouldn't be.  

[*wildcats forever*]

(07-06-2018, 03:48 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Yeah it could be, but if they are targeting specific items for specific reasons, then it wouldn't be.  

With around 1300 listed items, it could be interpreted as an exclusion when clothing and shoes were left off. Honestly I don't know the rationale behind it. Could be a coincidence.

[*michaelsean*]

(07-06-2018, 05:56 PM)wildcats forever Wrote: With around 1300 listed items, it could be interpreted as an exclusion when clothing and shoes were left off. Honestly I don't know the rationale behind it. Could be a coincidence.

Perhaps one could argue doing it to clothing could throw the whole industry in turmoil. Or he could be protecting himself. I really don’t know

[GMDino]

(07-06-2018, 05:56 PM)wildcats forever Wrote: With around 1300 listed items, it could be interpreted as an exclusion when clothing and shoes were left off. Honestly I don't know the rationale behind it. Could be a coincidence.

(07-06-2018, 06:04 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Perhaps one could argue doing it to clothing could throw the whole industry in turmoil. Or he could be protecting himself. I really don’t know

He doesn't seem to mind throw other industries into turmoil for his "easy to win" trade war.

[jj22]

Today
Trump: "Tariffs are Great!".

Also Today
Tax payers will foot the bill 12Billion (enough to save Social Security for another 30 years mind you), for Trumps failed Tariffs gamble.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-says-tariffs-are-the-greatest-1532437480?mod=e2tw

And by the end of this game Trump is playing we will likely be over 100 billion in the hole as tax payers.

If Tariffs are the greatest, why do we need bailouts?

[*michaelsean*]

(07-24-2018, 12:53 PM)jj22 Wrote: Today
Trump: "Tariffs are Great!".

Also Today
Tax payers will foot the bill 12Billion (enough to save Social Security for another 30 years mind you), for Trumps failed Tariffs gamble.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-says-tariffs-are-the-greatest-1532437480?mod=e2tw

And by the end of this game Trump is playing we will likely be over 100 billion in the hole as tax payers.

If Tariffs are the greatest, why do we need bailouts?

So you're saying SS can be saved for $400 million a year?

[jj22]

An additional 400 million added to the cupboards annually. Yes. Not 400m a year by itself.

[*michaelsean*]

(07-24-2018, 01:11 PM)jj22 Wrote: An additional 400 million added to the cupboards annually. Yes. Not 400m a year by itself.

No i know what you meant, i just find that hard to believe. I mean I thought we spent somewhere approaching $1 trillion on SS.  I couldn't read the article because I don't want to sign up.

[*Nately120*]

So taxes are awesome now? Geez, who knew.

[GMDino]

(07-24-2018, 01:30 PM)Nately120 Wrote: So taxes are awesome now?  Geez, who knew.

And socialism!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/07/24/trump-announce-support-farmers-caught-trade-disputes/825940002/

Quote:Trump to announce support for farmers caught in trade disputes

WASHINGTON – The Trump administration will announce a plan Tuesday to direct billions of dollars to farmers hurt by the escalating trade war with China and other countries, according to a source a familiar with the plan.


The proposal to stabilize farmers, some of whom have watched prices tumble amid ongoing trade disputes, is a recognition that Trump’s tariffs are having a short-term impact on the agriculture sector heading into the midterm elections.


Trump is set to visit Kansas City, Missouri, on Tuesday and will travel to Illinois and Iowa later in the week – all states that are beginning to see the impact of U.S. and retaliatory tariffs.

The administration’s plan will rely on commodity support programs in the farm bill as well as the Agriculture Department’s authority to stabilize farmers during times of turmoil, according to a report in Politico.

[BmorePat87]

So we're paying twice for this ******* policy?