Utah Gov. Gary Herbert to sign resolution calling porn a 'health hazard'

[Benton]

(04-19-2016, 12:32 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I don't know how to keep my children from seeing porn on the internet.

What can I do?

You talk to them first, and you can take steps to limit the chance of exposure. Block sites on devices, don't allow some channels to be accessed on your cable, etc.

Can they get around it? Sure. Same as with anything adults do. If you (or anyone) drink, your kids can sneak it. If you (or anyone) smoke, your kids can steal them. You can't legislate that away. You can't pass more laws to make your kids act more responsible. All you can do is be a more responsible parent.

Now, you could pass more laws holding parents more responsible, but that's about it. But a porn prohibition only hurts the millions and millions of us married guys who haven't seen a boob outside of a strip club in 12 years.

[fredtoast]

(04-19-2016, 01:24 PM)Benton Wrote: You talk to them first, and you can take steps to limit the chance of exposure. Block sites on devices, don't allow some channels to be accessed on your cable, etc.

There is no way possible that I know of to block every porn site on the internet.

[*PhilHos*]

(04-19-2016, 01:29 PM)fredtoast Wrote: There is no way possible that I know of to block every porn site on the internet.

Sure there is! Just don't have internet! 

[*michaelsean*]

(04-19-2016, 11:34 AM)Devils Advocate Wrote: What's a 'normal sex life'?

Wait til porn sites restrict access to these states attempting to pass crazy ass bills. Oh that's right, one popular site has already done so in NC I think. VCR's were invent in large part so people could have porn in the privacy of their own homes. People want their porn like they want their guns. 


As soon as it's not so taboo, the porn industry will become a powerful lobby. 

I would say a normal sex life is being 20 something years old and not needing Viagra because your arousal  threshold isn't through the roof.  

[Au165]

Sorry Fred there is in fact no way you can stop your kid from getting porn, even if you require age verification on websites they can easily get access. The reason access will always be so easy is because of torrents, they allow for easy downloading of pretty much anything from music to games to porn. You could argue it's tougher than typing in a web address, but the reality is once you download bit torrent it is just as easy if not easier.

Technology will always outpace legislation.

[Benton]

(04-19-2016, 01:29 PM)fredtoast Wrote: There is no way possible that I know of to block every porn site on the internet.

Some internet providers can block out a lot of it. All? No, but a lot of the sites.

But, again, that's where the biggest degree of responsibility is on the parent.

[Au165]

(04-19-2016, 03:06 PM)Benton Wrote: Some internet providers can block out a lot of it. All? No, but a lot of the sites.

But, again, that's where the biggest degree of responsibility is on the parent.

Simple proxies, which a lot of kids know about to get around school network website blocking, will get past the bans put in place. If teenagers want porn, they are going to get porn.

[fredtoast]

(04-19-2016, 03:00 PM)Au165 Wrote: Sorry Fred there is in fact no way you can stop your kid from getting porn, even if you require age verification on websites they can easily get access. The reason access will always be so easy is because of torrents, they allow for easy downloading of pretty much anything from music to games to porn. You could argue it's tougher than typing in a web address, but the reality is once you download bit torrent it is just as easy if not easier.

Technology will always outpace legislation.

Oh really.

Go use bit torrents to download some kiddie porn and tell me what happens.


But even if it is not impossible to keep porn out of the reach of young children that does not mean we should just give up.  Any level of deterrence  helps.  Kids can steal liquor or get adults to buy it for them, but that does not mean we should just remove all restrictions on kids buying liquor.

[fredtoast]

(04-19-2016, 03:12 PM)Au165 Wrote: Simple proxies, which a lot of kids know about to get around school network website blocking, will get past the bans put in place. If teenagers want porn, they are going to get porn.

And if a teenager wants drugs or a gun he will get it.

That does not mean we should remove all restrictions on selling drugs or guns to kids.

[GMDino]

(04-19-2016, 03:51 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Oh really.

Go use bit torrents to download some kiddie porn and tell me what happens.


But even if it is not impossible to keep porn out of the reach of young children that does not mean we should just give up.  Any level of deterrence  helps.  Kids can steal liquor or get adults to buy it for them, but that does not mean we should just remove all restrictions on kids buying liquor.

of course not.

But what the Gov of Utah is doing doesn't help that at all.

[fredtoast]

(04-19-2016, 03:54 PM)GMDino Wrote: of course not.

But what the Gov of Utah is doing doesn't help that at all.

agreed.

I guess you missed it, but in my very first post I said this bill was crap.

I guess I should have started another thread about this instead of de-railing this one.  All I did  was muddy the waters.

[Au165]

(04-19-2016, 03:51 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Oh really.

Go use bit torrents to download some kiddie porn and tell me what happens.


But even if it is not impossible to keep porn out of the reach of young children that does not mean we should just give up.  Any level of deterrence  helps.  Kids can steal liquor or get adults to buy it for them, but that does not mean we should just remove all restrictions on kids buying liquor.

I think your missing the point, I said it wouldn't stop your kids from getting it. Not sure how kiddie porn got into this part of the discussion.

Making unenforceable rules that only inconvenience those who already meet the standards are pointless laws and should not be made. As others have said, that is a you problem as far as how you parent your kids. If you are that worried restrict all access to the internet. There are remedies for you to take if your that worried, or you can do your best to as other have pointed out to explain it to them. Let's not act like easily accessible online porn hasn't been around for 10 years. Society hasn't disintegrated since, and my guess is it won't going forward.

[fredtoast]

(04-19-2016, 04:18 PM)Au165 Wrote: I think your missing the point, I said it wouldn't stop your kids from getting it. Not sure how kiddie porn got into this part of the discussion.

there are barriers in place to keep people from sharing kiddie porn through bit torrents

(04-19-2016, 04:18 PM)Au165 Wrote: Making unenforceable rules that only inconvenience those who already meet the standards are pointless laws and should not be made. As others have said, that is a you problem as far as how you parent your kids. If you are that worried restrict all access to the internet. There are remedies for you to take if your that worried, or you can do your best to as other have pointed out to explain it to them. Let's not act like easily accessible online porn hasn't been around for 10 years. Society hasn't disintegrated since, and my guess is it won't going forward.

There is nothing "unenforceable" about requiring identification verification for porn sites.  Or requiring all porn sites to end in ".XXX".

(04-19-2016, 04:18 PM)Au165 Wrote:  Let's not act like easily accessible online porn hasn't been around for 10 years. Society hasn't disintegrated since, and my guess is it won't going forward.

Then you need to stop "guessing" and start doing some research about the effect that unlimited porn access is having on young men.  There are support groups spring up all over the place.  it is literally destroying the sex lives of lots of young men.

I am not saying porn has to be illegal.  I am just saying that we need to come up with some way to limit the access to children.

And it has nothing to do with being a bad parent.  I assume all you parents out there talk to your kids about the dangers of drugs, alcohol, and guns in the hands of children, but I don't think many of you ould be in favor of removing all the restrictions we have in place to keep them out of the hands of children.

[CKwi88]

(04-19-2016, 01:22 PM)PhilHos Wrote: In addition to that, how about requiring all porn sites to have a dot XXX (.XXX) ending? It'll be easier to block them.

File this under "so simple how the shit wasn't it already done?"

I'm with Fred's sentiment on this one, there just needs to be a practical solution, and this sounds reasonable.

[NATI BENGALS]

(04-19-2016, 04:55 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: File this under "so simple how the shit wasn't it already done?"

I'm with Fred's sentiment on this one, there just needs to be a practical solution, and this sounds reasonable.

And then when the porn sites not based in the US who dont care about the .xxx rule become the most popular what then?

[GMDino]

(04-19-2016, 04:50 PM)fredtoast Wrote: there are barriers in place to keep people from sharing kiddie porn through bit torrents



There is nothing "unenforceable" about requiring identification verification for porn sites.  Or requiring all porn sites to end in ".XXX".



Then you need to stop "guessing" and start doing some research about the effect that unlimited porn access is having on young men.  There are support groups spring up all over the place.  it is literally destroying the sex lives of lots of young men.

I am not saying porn has to be illegal.  I am just saying that we need to come up with some way to limit the access to children.

And it has nothing to do with being a bad parent.  I assume all you parents out there talk to your kids about the dangers of drugs, alcohol, and guns in the hands of children, but I don't think many of you ould be in favor of removing all the restrictions we have in place to keep them out of the hands of children.

I'm not fully disagreeing with this.  Obviously we want to protect our children from harmful things.  But this raised a flag with me.  It's like with alcohol...we make it taboo, tell them they can't have it and they want it more.

Other countries that are more open about sexuality probably have less of a problem with this same as ones that are more open about alcohol have less of a problem.

[Au165]

(04-19-2016, 04:50 PM)fredtoast Wrote: there are barriers in place to keep people from sharing kiddie porn through bit torrents



There is nothing "unenforceable" about requiring identification verification for porn sites.  Or requiring all porn sites to end in ".XXX".



Then you need to stop "guessing" and start doing some research about the effect that unlimited porn access is having on young men.  There are support groups spring up all over the place.  it is literally destroying the sex lives of lots of young men.

I am not saying porn has to be illegal.  I am just saying that we need to come up with some way to limit the access to children.

And it has nothing to do with being a bad parent.  I assume all you parents out there talk to your kids about the dangers of drugs, alcohol, and guns in the hands of children, but I don't think many of you ould be in favor of removing all the restrictions we have in place to keep them out of the hands of children.

Couple things. All porn sites based in the U.S. are required to ask you to acknowledge you are over the age of 18. To go any further and require proof as in a picture id, is an unenforceable burden that won't stand up to legal challenge. The other issue is who would want them to have your personal information to be used in a cyber blackmail scandal like ashley madison?

Sure there is porn addiction, there is also video game addiction. Do we need to restrict access to video games too through legislation.

Good point. Do you talk to them about the dangers of porn in the same manor? If not, why not if it is as destructive?

Honestly, I am not opposed to the .xxx domain name. It will do little to no good however in deterring teen use. If it makes Fred, and other like Fred happy go for it.

[NATI BENGALS]

(04-19-2016, 05:52 PM)Au165 Wrote: Couple things. All porn sites based in the U.S. are required to ask you to acknowledge you are over the age of 18. To go any further and require proof as in a picture id, is an unenforceable burden that won't stand up to legal challenge. The other issue is who would want them to have your personal information to be used in a cyber blackmail scandal like ashley madison?

Sure there is porn addiction, there is also video game addiction. Do we need to restrict access to video games too through legislation.

Good point. Do you talk to them about the dangers of porn in the same manor? If not, why not if it is as destructive?

Honestly, I am not opposed to the .xxx domain name. It will do little to no good however in deterring teen use. If it makes Fred, and other like Fred happy go for it.

Good point about the video games. They have been blamed for moral decay. Killing someone a million times in a video could make it easy to kill someone in real life. The same way they are blaming porn for dehumanizing you could argue video games running around and killing and beating people for dehumanizing.

I've heard many times video game addiction killing someone. More so in south Korea than here, when they go on binges and don't eat or drink for days and just die at the computer. Not so many examples of porn addiction killing someone.

The internet is risky business. One of the reasons I'm glad I don't have kids. I would have to be the strict dad and they would get to use the computer for homework and about an hour a day for leisure. Other than that they are getting put up. And no cell phones til high school.

[Rotobeast]

There are options with your router that can help you control what your kids view.
You can block sites or specify what sites are accessible.
If you specify access, the child will have to come to you to authorize a new site.

[*Nately120*]

FATHER: Son, where did you learn to ogle porn like this?!
SON: I learned it from watching you!
FATHER: ......you watched me ogle porn? That's hot.

*END SCENE*