Vladimir Putin's critic jailed Russian leader Alexei Navalny reported dead

[*Nately120*]

(02-17-2024, 09:13 AM)samhain Wrote: I wonder why Tucker has gone full blown Kremlin propagandist.  He just doubles down whenever someone gives him a chance to be reasonable.  Hard to tell if they are paying him or if they have some kind of dirt that could cause him harm.  

Conservatives like him will tell you that liberals are the godless and lawless and deranged party, yet here he is arguing that Biden should have the immunity as well as societal acceptance if not expectation to have people like him outright killed. 

He doesn't seem as scared of liberals as he wants you to be. 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(02-17-2024, 09:13 AM)samhain Wrote: I wonder why Tucker has gone full blown Kremlin propagandist.  He just doubles down whenever someone gives him a chance to be reasonable.  Hard to tell if they are paying him or if they have some kind of dirt that could cause him harm.  

Or, a far simpler explanation, these kind of statements drive people towards his content and it makes him money.

[samhain]

(02-17-2024, 01:05 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Or, a far simpler explanation, these kind of statements drive people towards his content and it makes him money.

So we should be quiet when someone is promoting something that is inherently evil?  For, I guess, fear that it won't just go away on it's own if we have a discussion about it?  

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(02-17-2024, 01:53 PM)samhain Wrote: So we should be quiet when someone is promoting something that is inherently evil?  For, I guess, fear that it won't just go away on it's own if we have a discussion about it?  

Not sure where you're getting any of that from my statement.  Talk away, I was merely offering a more likely motivation for his behavior.

[*Nately120*]

(02-17-2024, 01:59 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Not sure where you're getting any of that from my statement.  Talk away, I was merely offering a more likely motivation for his behavior.

Im wondering where he goes from here.  Defending Putin having people killed after begging him to tell his audience that Christianity plays a major role in his decisions and the Russian government. Even I can't grapple with this level of cynical insanity.  

[samhain]

(02-17-2024, 01:59 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Not sure where you're getting any of that from my statement.  Talk away, I was merely offering a more likely motivation for his behavior.

Sure, but an American journalist going to Moscow to interview Putin is a risky proposition.  Tucker is plenty capable of making money without potentially risking his life and freedom.  

[GMDino]

P01135809 has finally said SOMETHING about this on the Monday after.

Some of you are gonna be really surprised:



Somehow he made it all about himself and his own persecution,  Crazy isn't it?  

But at least he managed to not say anything bad about Putin too.

True leader. 

[Arturo Bandini]

(02-19-2024, 10:33 AM)GMDino Wrote: P01135809 has finally said SOMETHING about this on the Monday after.

Some of you are gonna be really surprised:



Somehow he made it all about himself and his own persecution,  Crazy isn't it?  

But at least he managed to not say anything bad about Putin too.

True leader. 

He already said he was the most persecuted being ever ( maybe more than Jesus ! he said ) ... He's not going to stop for a dead russian bloke.

He was harsh on Putin, like very harsh : called him a genius, said he trust him more the CIA or FBI and get along him very well. He also said Vlad loves Ukraine sooooo much.

How harsh is that ? 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(02-17-2024, 09:06 PM)samhain Wrote: Sure, but an American journalist going to Moscow to interview Putin is a risky proposition.  Tucker is plenty capable of making money without potentially risking his life and freedom.  

I think there was zero risk in his going.  First he knows Biden will do nothing to help free Tucker if he was arrested, and two the optics would be terrible, and he clearly cares about that.

[*pally*]

(02-17-2024, 09:06 PM)samhain Wrote: Sure, but an American journalist going to Moscow to interview Putin is a risky proposition.  Tucker is plenty capable of making money without potentially risking his life and freedom.  

No way Tucker was ever in danger. He is the American spokesperson for Russian propaganda.

Elon Musk/Twitter has suspended the account of Akexei’s widow Yulia Navalnaya, no explanation as to why

[*Nately120*]

(02-20-2024, 10:28 AM)pally Wrote: No way Tucker was ever in danger.  He is the American spokesperson for Russian propaganda.

Elon Musk/Twitter has  suspended the account of Akexei’s widow Yulia Navalnaya, no explanation as to why

I have to admit that it was amusing that Tucker's Russian propaganda involved praising the 25 cent cart deposit thing as if it were some amazing new unwoke concept and not something that's been around in the USA for decades.  He reminded me of that show where Paris Hilton would be shown failing at daily life things regular people do and everyone would laugh at how disconnected rich people are from the mundane world.

Things could get interesting if Biden wins in 2024 and conservatives start tossing around the idea of showing the world how to be good immigrants and head to the gold-paved streets of Russia.  I mean, I wouldn't be here in the US of A if my ancestors hadn't noped out of Italy's government in the 1910s.

[Arturo Bandini]

(02-17-2024, 09:06 PM)samhain Wrote: Sure, but an American journalist going to Moscow to interview Putin is a risky proposition.  Tucker is plenty capable of making money without potentially risking his life and freedom.  

Come on mate ... Do you really believe what you said ? He's the voice of Russia in the USA. He was safer than any russian general out there.

[GMDino]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/alexei-navalny-be-buried-moscow-amid-uncertainty-tight-security-2024-03-01/

Quote:Navalny's funeral held amid tight security as Russians chant outside
Reuters
March 1, 20248:50 AM ESTUpdated 3 min ago























































[1/23]People walk towards the Borisovskoye cemetery during the funeral of Russian opposition politician Alexei Navalny in Moscow, Russia, March 1, 2024. A placard reads: "Navalny died". REUTERS/Stringer Purchase Licensing Rights, opens new tab

• summary
  

• Mourners chant 'Navalny' as coffin carried past
• Church ringed by crash barrier, police
• Short service attended by his parents
• Body transported to cemetery for burial
  

MOSCOW, March 1 (Reuters) - Thousands of Russians chanted opposition politician Alexei Navalny's name on Friday and said they would not forgive the authorities for his death as his mother and father attended a small funeral in a Moscow church surrounded by police.


A photograph of Navalny released on social media showed his body lying inside a flower-laden coffin inside as his mother, wearing a black headscarf and with a candle in one hand, sat alongside his father nearby.

An Orthodox priest presided over the short service, while outside, people queuing around the church who had been prevented from entering to say goodbye clapped and chanted "Navalny! Navalny!".

After his coffin had been carried out, some people chanted "Russia will be free", "No to war", "Russia without Putin", "We won't forget" and "Putin is a murderer."

Navalny, President Vladimir Putin's fiercest critic inside Russia, died at the age of 47 in an Arctic penal colony on Feb. 16., sparking accusations from his supporters that he had been murdered. The Kremlin has denied any state involvement in his death.

The authorities have outlawed his movement as extremist and cast his supporters as U.S.-backed troublemakers out to foment revolution.

His funeral comes two weeks before a presidential election when Putin, Russia's paramount leader for over 20 years and in charge of all the levers of state, is expected to easily win another six-year term.

There was heavy security at the Church of the Icon of the Mother of God, an imposing white domed building in south-east Moscow where the service was held.
it plans to reopen stores in Ukraine00:0401:12






[/url]

[url=https://adclick.g.doubleclick.net/pcs/click?xai=AKAOjssXEve9s87h7z9PlMsbQ-H7DrMyX39UIQ0IkYTZo4ywiPwYR0J9W9jbax3vbKIfF8GyjIS_KWarW1cTkz3tDm-kg-EpzNNnLU78XdCLaMmzY4BPUYjGXcWWqDfOj51VMi8XR57MHPCvqGbNeytM5sg&sai=AMfl-YTqRrY1hnQpC9feSgsgK1rPQVXO6Dmdz3LPzAGwVcE-_4IWjGKj0RC21sze0tYBWmWA2Vdm426QhrBQyLo&sig=Cg0ArKJSzIWUWKhQjY-IEAE&cry=1&fbs_aeid=%5Bgw_fbsaeid%5D&urlfix=1&adurl=https://tmobile.demdex.net/event%3Fd_event%3Dclick%26d_src%3D67004%26d_bu%3D4348461%26d_campaign%3D31184153%26d_site%3D5301299%26d_placement%3D384515835%26d_creative%3D210565209%26d_rd%3Dhttps://www.metrobyt-mobile.com/deals/apple%253Fcmpid%253DMTPR_OV_P_24NYYP12NF_384515835_575239767_210565209_31184153%2526dclid%253D%2525edclid!]

People carrying flowers arrived early to try to get in and mourners queued in an orderly fashion as they waited for the service to start.

"We're all here together. Nobody is afraid," one man, who did not give his name, told a reporter from the independent Novaya Gazeta newspaper. "I'm here to support his family and show that they are not alone."

Clutching red flowers, another man, who said he was 73, said he felt Navalny's death as a personal loss and had admired him for his lack of fear and plain speaking.



Another woman standing in the queue said Navalny was her hero, while a young man nearby hailed the late opposition politician as "a symbol of resistance" and said he had turned up to show that not everyone in Russia supported the authorities.

Navalny's body was then driven to the Borisovskoye cemetery, around 2.5 km (1.5 miles) away on the other side of the Moskva River. The cemetery was sealed off with crash barriers.

More than a quarter of a million people watched the events on Navalny's YouTube channel, which is blocked inside Russia. Messages, mostly expressing sadness but some also defiance, streamed down beside the video.

Allies of Navalny outside Russia have called on people who want to honour his memory but could not attend his funeral service to instead go to memorials to Soviet-era repression in their own towns on Friday evening at 7 p.m. local time.

The Kremlin said any unsanctioned gatherings in support of Navalny would violate the law.

"Just a reminder that we have a law that must be followed. Any unauthorised gatherings will be in violation of the law, and those who participate in them will be held accountable - again, in line with the current law," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

He declined to give any assessment of Navalny as a political figure and said he had nothing to say to Navalny's family.

RIGHTS GROUPS OFFER ADVICE TO MOURNERS
While Navalny's mother Lyudmila, 69, attended the funeral along with his father Anatoly, his wife Yulia and two children, who are living outside Russia, did not attend.

Rights groups had advised those who wanted to attend to take their passports and small bottles of water with them and told them to write down the details of lawyers who can help them in case they are detained.

Navalny was a Christian who condemned Putin's decision to send tens of thousands of troops into Ukraine as a crazy enterprise built on lies. The church that hosted his funeral has donated to the Russian army and enthusiastically advertised its backing for the war.

In the run-up to his funeral, his allies accused the authorities of blocking their plans to hold a bigger civil memorial service. The Kremlin has said it has nothing to do with Navalny's funeral arrangements.

Navalny's allies have accused Putin of having him murdered because the Russian leader could allegedly not tolerate the thought of Navalny being freed in a potential prisoner swap.

They have not published proof to back up that accusation, but have promised to set out how he was murdered and by whom.

The Kremlin has denied state involvement in his death and has said it is unaware of any agreement to free Navalny. His death certificate - according to allies - said he died of natural causes.

Navalny, a former lawyer, mounted the most determined political challenge against Putin since the Russian leader came to power at the end of 1999, organising street protests and publishing high-profile investigations into the alleged corruption of some in the ruling elite.

But a series of criminal charges for fraud and extremism - which Navalny said were politically-motivated - saw him handed jail sentences of over 30 years and most of his supporters have either fled the country or are in jail.

Navalny decided to return to Russia from Germany in 2021 after being treated for what Western doctors said was poisoning with a nerve agent only to be immediately taken into custody.

Putin has yet to comment on Navalny's death and has for years avoided mentioning him by name.

Though Navalny is well known in the West, state TV inside Russia did not mention him for years either and when it did it was brief and in a negative light.

Reporting by Reuters; Writing by Andrew Osborn; Editing by Daniel Wallis and Philippa Fletcher