Trump Ultimatum to Barr--Indict Biden before Election!

[Benton]

(10-09-2020, 07:26 AM)treee Wrote: As has been said before, it is really not smart for Trump to be trying to set the precedent of prosecuting previous presidents. But then again one might say foresight isn't his strong suit.

He's probably feeling pretty bullet proof.

He says what he says and his base supports him. He's getting justices on the scotus. Hes still in office after an impeachment. He's stacked the federal government with family members and cronies. His tax returns were partially made public and people are still good with a billionaire who pays more in parking fees than federal taxes.

Thanks to the gop, he's probably thinking there's not much that anyone can do to him. And they're right.

[treee]

(10-09-2020, 02:34 PM)Benton Wrote: He's probably feeling pretty bullet proof.

He says what he says and his base supports him. He's getting justices on the scotus. Hes still in office after an impeachment. He's stacked the federal government with family members and cronies. His tax returns were partially made public and people are still good with a billionaire who pays more in parking fees than federal taxes.

Thanks to the gop, he's probably thinking there's not much that anyone can do to him. And they're right.

They're not right.

[Big Boss]

Stable genius:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1314627983471239168

[Dill]

(10-09-2020, 09:57 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Didn't realize that wanting people to go to prison who you think committed various crimes was considered facism. 

But, I guess whether or not a crime was committed only matters if it's the current sitting president. 

You are no good as a fascist, Philhos. You don't know how to do it.

The point here is that one of the people you want to go to prison is the person running against you for top office in the country.

Arrest him and you've won. Democracy has lost. 

Probably Trump can't arrest Biden, but is pushing at least to get an impending indictment in the news--the kind of thing he was trying to force from the Ukraine.

Add to that the crime is TRUMPED up, a consequence of Trump's control of a DOJ supposed to be independent of his political influence.

I believe I said earlier that if the "evidence" sees the light of court, the whole sham falls through. But if Trump/Hannity can keep "impending" in the news, they may get some benefit from it.  Remember how Guiliani was on the verge of a blockbuster revelation for months during the impeachment?

[*bfine32*]

Well this can't hurt

https://news.yahoo.com/explosive-york-post-story-thats-164147312.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGMD61W8j_if9iyJi_m1wVTy8tts4gM_mTDvu95O_2QzMjYC4c4a_C_m2GQCRdxPAuc6FigBsBh9GmPnZlHR6f--LWqufblY0xDicITeR4f5NjoaxhpRCj5YCKQbRk7qw6g38kqASFml4UOCHJcpZ420cmTqGXqXwgyJXcGV8ehC

Quote:The Post said that in one email in May 2014, about a month after Hunter Biden joined the board of the Ukrainian natural-gas company Burisma Holdings, Vadym Pozharskyi, the third-ranking executive at Burisma, emailed him asking for "advice on how you could use your influence to convey a message" or "signal."

[fredtoast]

(10-14-2020, 07:42 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Well this can't hurt

https://news.yahoo.com/explosive-york-post-story-thats-164147312.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGMD61W8j_if9iyJi_m1wVTy8tts4gM_mTDvu95O_2QzMjYC4c4a_C_m2GQCRdxPAuc6FigBsBh9GmPnZlHR6f--LWqufblY0xDicITeR4f5NjoaxhpRCj5YCKQbRk7qw6g38kqASFml4UOCHJcpZ420cmTqGXqXwgyJXcGV8ehC

• The Post's report said that an unidentified computer-repair-shop owner discovered the emails and other compromising material about Hunter Biden after an unidentified person dropped off a water-damaged laptop last year to be repaired but never picked it up.
• The repair shop owner was later identified as John Paul Mac Isaac, an avid Trump supporter who told several reporters who tracked him down that Trump's impeachment was a "sham." Isaac also did not have a clear grasp on the timeline of events that he initially described to the Post.
  

The Post said it learned of the emails' existence last month through Steve Bannon, the former White House chief strategist, and obtained them through Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump's personal lawyer

[Dill]

(10-14-2020, 07:52 PM)fredtoast Wrote:

• The Post's report said that an unidentified computer-repair-shop owner discovered the emails and other compromising material about Hunter Biden after an unidentified person dropped off a water-damaged laptop last year to be repaired but never picked it up.
• The repair shop owner was later identified as John Paul Mac Isaac, an avid Trump supporter who told several reporters who tracked him down that Trump's impeachment was a "sham." Isaac also did not have a clear grasp on the timeline of events that he initially described to the Post.
  

I believe that the repair shop owner is legally blind too, right? 

Big discussion about this on the Brian Kilmeade show this morning. 

It fills up the empty space left by this:

Trump 'not happy' with Barr, won't commit to keeping AG in potential second term: 
The Justice Department found no evidence of wrongdoing and declined to release its report publicly or to file any charges in Obama-era "unmasking."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/trump-not-happy-barr-won-t-commit-keeping-ag-potential-n1243489

Recently, news emerged that the Justice Department had concluded an investigation commissioned by Barr into the Obama-era "unmasking" of people named in national security documents related to the Russia investigation — a practice that Trump and conservatives pundits claimed was a political conspiracy.

However, the Justice Department found no evidence of wrongdoing and declined to release its report publicly or to file any charges. The Washington Post was first to report the news.

A federal prosecutor appointed by Barr concluded his review without finding evidence of wrongdoing, according to a source with direct knowledge of the inquiry, and without interviewing former CIA Director John Brennan, NBC News has reported.

Brennan told NBC News that he was not interviewed by the prosecutor, U.S. Attorney John Bash of the Western District of Texas, or anyone else related to the investigation. Another key figure in the unmasking controversy, who declined to be named, said there was no interview by Justice Department officials.

[Dill]

Just last week we had this:

‘Where are all of the arrests?’: Trump demands Barr lock up his foes
The day-long run of tweets and retweets marked the most frantic stretch of Trump’s public activity since he left Walter Reed.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/07/trump-demands-barr-arrest-foes-427389
“DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, THE BIGGEST OF ALL POLITICAL SCANDALS (IN HISTORY)!!! BIDEN, OBAMA AND CROOKED HILLARY LED THIS TREASONOUS PLOT!!! BIDEN SHOULDN’T BE ALLOWED TO RUN - GOT CAUGHT!!!” Trump tweeted.

The day-long run of tweets and retweets marked the most frantic stretch of Trump’s public activity since he left the presidential suite at Walter Reed Medical Center and returned to treatment at the White House. They also underscored the degree to which Trump remains fixated on his grievances over the Russia probe, and often on obscure aspects of that investigation that are unintelligible to all but its most careful followers.

Since late Tuesday, Trump has vowed to declassify all documents he claims will show improper activity by Obama and his intelligence advisers — before quickly reversing himself and suggesting he had already done so “long ago” — and repeatedly cited Russian intelligence services’ claims that Clinton “stirred up” the Trump-Russia collusion scandal that has dogged his presidency.

Then this happened:

'Unmasking' probe pushed by Barr ends with no charges:
Former CIA Director John Brennan, one of the key figures in the investigation, told NBC News he was never interviewed in the “politically motivated probe.”https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/unmasking-probe-pushed-barr-ends-no-charges-n1243397

The end of Bash's probe means it is unlikely that Trump will be able to point to politically motivated and wrongfully initiated investigations into his 2016 campaign ahead of Election Day.
Bash announced his resignation from the Justice Department last week, citing his desire to go into private practice.

Which led to this:

White House official pushes back on Trump's Barr critique, claiming AG ‘saved his presidency'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-bill-barr-criticism-administration
“The great irony in the president’s remarks is he is only in a position to complain because Bill Barr saved his presidency and everyone knows it,” a senior administration official told Fox News on Wednesday.

[Belsnickel]

There is also the frustration in the Trump team over the lack of any product from Durham, and that there won't be until after the election.

[*michaelsean*]

(10-15-2020, 02:51 PM)Dill Wrote: I believe that the repair shop owner is legally blind too, right? 

Big discussion about this on the Brian Kilmeade show this morning. 

It fills up the empty space left by this:

Trump 'not happy' with Barr, won't commit to keeping AG in potential second term: 
The Justice Department found no evidence of wrongdoing and declined to release its report publicly or to file any charges in Obama-era "unmasking."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/trump-not-happy-barr-won-t-commit-keeping-ag-potential-n1243489

Recently, news emerged that the Justice Department had concluded an investigation commissioned by Barr into the Obama-era "unmasking" of people named in national security documents related to the Russia investigation — a practice that Trump and conservatives pundits claimed was a political conspiracy.

However, the Justice Department found no evidence of wrongdoing and declined to release its report publicly or to file any charges. The Washington Post was first to report the news.

A federal prosecutor appointed by Barr concluded his review without finding evidence of wrongdoing, according to a source with direct knowledge of the inquiry, and without interviewing former CIA Director John Brennan, NBC News has reported.

Brennan told NBC News that he was not interviewed by the prosecutor, U.S. Attorney John Bash of the Western District of Texas, or anyone else related to the investigation. Another key figure in the unmasking controversy, who declined to be named, said there was no interview by Justice Department officials.

No charges and won’t release the report. I imagine the Democrats are fuming right about now.

[Belsnickel]

(10-15-2020, 03:27 PM)michaelsean Wrote: No charges and won’t release the report. I imagine the Democrats are fuming right about now.

Why? Just confirms what they already knew from congressional hearings on the topic.

[Dill]

(10-15-2020, 03:27 PM)michaelsean Wrote: No charges and won’t release the report. I imagine the Democrats are fuming right about now.

Not sure. 

I think all that report can say is that the FBI was listening in on Russian agents and operatives in the U.S. who were seducing or working with members of Trump's campaign. Barr would act if there were a shred of evidence to twist.

For clarity, people on the NSC wanted to know the redacted names of some of the Americans who were discussing the election with the Russians--E.g., who was promising Kislyak that sanctions would be eased when Trump was In?.

Those mysterious American friends turned out to be a lot of members of the Trump campaign. "Top" members, like his National Security Advisor to be.

So Obama/Biden/Rice/the FBI were "spying" on a campaign colluding with Russian spies. 

Pocketing that report at least means Trump surrogates have shut up about it on talk radio, which Dems are probably happy about.  (Barely a month ago this big reveal which was going to knock the legs from under the Biden campaign was just around the corner. The new "around the corner" is the mysterious laptop incriminating Biden and son--if its not another Russian psyop.)

[Dill]

(10-15-2020, 03:09 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: There is also the frustration in the Trump team over the lack of any product from Durham, and that there won't be until after the election.

Well, frustration on Trump's part for sure.

But I think a lot of the team realizes the product is a nothingburger. 

What value it has, it has only if no one knows that for sure. Conspiracy minded supporters can keep demanding to know why "they" are hiding/witholding it. Must be something there.

But start trying to indict people and POOF--the leverage, the power to accuse/indict is gone once the report/"charges" hit the sunlight.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-15-2020, 03:27 PM)michaelsean Wrote: No charges and won’t release the report. I imagine the Democrats are fuming right about now.

If a report falls in a forest and no one is there to hear no wrong doing/no charges, does it make a sound?

[Belsnickel]

Is this where we were talking about the Hunter Biden emails? I can't remember, but figured this would be a good place for it: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/business/media/new-york-post-hunter-biden.html

Even the NY Post, which is known for printing things without as much vetting as the more reputable agencies, knew there were doubts as to the veracity of these claims and some folks refused to put their names on it. On top of that, Rudy apparently openly admits he gave it to the Post because they wouldn't fact check him.

Maybe this would be why social media companies were not letting this spread. But no, we have to give in to the false narrative that conservatives are being censored rather than the issue being that there is actual disinformation being propagated. Even our federal agencies were questioning the source of these emails.

[BmorePat87]

(10-19-2020, 02:35 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Is this where we were talking about the Hunter Biden emails? I can't remember, but figured this would be a good place for it: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/business/media/new-york-post-hunter-biden.html

Even the NY Post, which is known for printing things without as much vetting as the more reputable agencies, knew there were doubts as to the veracity of these claims and some folks refused to put their names on it. On top of that, Rudy apparently openly admits he gave it to the Post because they wouldn't fact check him.

Maybe this would be why social media companies were not letting this spread. But no, we have to give in to the false narrative that conservatives are being censored rather than the issue being that there is actual disinformation being propagated. Even our federal agencies were questioning the source of these emails.

WRONG! It's a violation of the first amendment for a private company to regulate what content it allows on their platforms that we voluntarily use after agreeing to terms of service. 

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-19-2020, 02:35 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Is this where we were talking about the Hunter Biden emails? I can't remember, but figured this would be a good place for it: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/business/media/new-york-post-hunter-biden.html

Even the NY Post, which is known for printing things without as much vetting as the more reputable agencies, knew there were doubts as to the veracity of these claims and some folks refused to put their names on it. On top of that, Rudy apparently openly admits he gave it to the Post because they wouldn't fact check him.

Maybe this would be why social media companies were not letting this spread. But no, we have to give in to the false narrative that conservatives are being censored rather than the issue being that there is actual disinformation being propagated. Even our federal agencies were questioning the source of these emails.

Giuliano’s willingness to be manipulated by Russia to influence voters and interfere with the presidential elections is just shameful.

[GMDino]

(10-19-2020, 02:35 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Is this where we were talking about the Hunter Biden emails? I can't remember, but figured this would be a good place for it: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/business/media/new-york-post-hunter-biden.html

Even the NY Post, which is known for printing things without as much vetting as the more reputable agencies, knew there were doubts as to the veracity of these claims and some folks refused to put their names on it. On top of that, Rudy apparently openly admits he gave it to the Post because they wouldn't fact check him.

Maybe this would be why social media companies were not letting this spread. But no, we have to give in to the false narrative that conservatives are being censored rather than the issue being that there is actual disinformation being propagated. Even our federal agencies were questioning the source of these emails.

I apologize for not reading your link yet but here is more about the story being so questionable even FOX didn't take it.

I wonder if OAN did?

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/exclusive-fox-news-passed-on-hunter-biden-laptop-story-over-credibility-concerns/

Quote:Mediaite has learned that Fox News was first approached by Rudy Giuliani to report on a tranche of files alleged to have come from Hunter Biden’s unclaimed laptop left at a Delaware computer repair shop, but that the news division chose not to run the story unless or until the sourcing and veracity of the emails could be properly vetted.

With the general election just three weeks away, Giuliani ultimately brought the story to the New York Post, which shares the same owner, Rupert Murdoch. The tabloid has been exhaustively covering the contents of the laptop — which include everything from emails regarding Hunter Biden’s work for a Ukrainian company to personal photos of the recovering addict — with each morsel being amplified in the conservative media world, including on Fox News’ top-rated opinion programs. Thus far, the Fox’s News division has only been able to verify one email from the tranche leaked.


The former New York City mayor and personal attorney to President Donald Trump has long had a working relationship with Fox News, the cable news network whose opinion shows have an overwhelmingly pro-Trump point of view.


But according to two sources familiar with the matter, the lack of authentication of Hunter Biden’s alleged laptop, combined with established concerns about Giuliani as a reliable source and his desire for unvetted publication, led the network’s news division to pass. Fox News declined to comment on this story.

Some of Fox News’ top news anchors and reporters have distanced themselves from the story. During an on-air report that largely focused on how social media platforms handled this story, Bret Baier said, “Let’s say, just not sugarcoat it. The whole thing is sketchy.”


“You couldn’t write this script in 19 days from an election, but we are digging into where this computer is and the emails and the authenticity of it,” he added.


Chris Wallace also called the story “suspicious” and said, “I can understand the concern about this story. It is completely unverified and frankly, Rudy Giuliani is not the most reliable source anymore. I hate to say that, but it’s just true.”


According to a leaked memo obtained by The Daily Beast earlier this year, the research department at Fox News had previously described Giuliani as “amplifying disinformation” surrounding the Ukraine corruption story that lay at the heart of the impeachment of President Trump earlier this year.


The initial laptop story broke on Wednesday of last week. By Friday, Fox News had confirmed the veracity of just one email, which has been used by some to validate the entire tranche of files “uncovered” by Giuliani:

Quote:One email, dated May 13, 2017, and obtained by Fox News, includes a discussion of “remuneration packages” for six people in a business deal with a Chinese energy firm. The email appeared to identify Hunter Biden as “Chair / Vice Chair depending on agreement with CEFC,” in an apparent reference to now-bankrupt CEFC China Energy Co.

The Fox News article, which was co-bylined by Sam Dorman and Mike Emanuel, doesn’t name the source who confirmed the contents of this email. Fox News also reported that sources identified one of the six people to be Joe Biden — who was at the time out of office and a private citizen. There is no evidence in his released tax returns that Joe Biden benefited from this supposed graft arranged by his son Hunter and it is unrelated to Ukraine or then Vice President Biden’s work to oust an allegedly corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor.


According to an Associated Press report, the mixing of legitimate emails with false ones was a tactic used by Russian intelligence operations in the 2017 French election. Leaked emails that were called “utterly mundane” were included to lend credibility to falsified information designed to undermine Emanuel Macron’s reelection bid.


On Sunday night, the New York Times reported that the New York Post had a difficult time finding a reporter to put their byline on the story amidst internal concerns about its dubious sourcing. The Times reported that the staff writer who mostly wrote the story, Bruce Golding, refused put his name on the report because he doubted its credibility. Post editors then “pressed staff members to add their bylines to the story — and at least one aside from Mr. Golding refused,” according to the Times report, which cited two unnamed Post journalists. A Post spokeswoman had no comment on how the article was written or edited.


“The senior editors at The Post made the decision to publish the Biden files after several days’ hard work established its merit,” the Post’s Col Allan told the Times.


The story’s bylines eventually went to Emma-Jo Morris, a former associate producer on Fox News show Hannity, who joined the Post as an editor this year and had yet to publish a story with her byline, and Gabrielle Fonrouge, a Post reporter since 2014. According to the Times, Fonrouge only learned her name was on the story after it was published.

[*Nately120*]

Just to reiterate, I was pulling hard for Rudy to get the Republican nod in 2008. Man oh man have things changed.