What the Net Neutrality Rollback Means for Netflix Users

[BoomerFan]

(02-14-2017, 02:38 PM)treee Wrote: Glad to see posters from both sides of the aisle agreeing how imperative net neutrality is. It all comes down to the free flow of information...

An actually bipartisan issue! Feel da love. 

[GMDino]

http://www.avclub.com/article/fcc-making-good-threats-dismantle-net-neutrality-250959?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing

Quote:New FCC chairman is making good on threats to dismantle net neutrality
By Danette Chavez@bonmotvivant
POSTED 2 HOURS, 3 MINUTES AGO

Ajit Pai (Photo: Nicholas Kam/Getty Images)Ajit Pai (Photo: Nicholas Kam/Getty Images)

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We knew this was coming—just one month after being appointed he new director of the Federal Communications Commission, Ajit Pai has fired the first shot in his attack on net neutrality. Pai’s been an outspoken opponent of the concept that all data should be treated equally, which is presumably what earned him Trump’s approval. So naturally, one of Pai’s first official acts in his new position is to counter the measures put in place by the Obama administration to protect it.

[url=https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/it-begins-trumps-fcc-launches-attack-on-net-neutrality-transparency-rules]Motherboard reports that the FCC voted to eliminate open internet transparency protections on Thursday, which means that small-to-midsize internet services providers are no longer required to disclose specific information on broadband speeds, fees, and rates. Previously, companies with 100,000 subscribers or less were exempt from sharing this info, but that’s just been upped to companies with 250,000 subscribers.

The transparency protections were intended to help consumers make informed decisions when signing up with an ISP, but Pai considers it far more important to rid these broadband providers of “onerous reporting obligations.” (That, and the notion of an “informed” anything is anathema to this administration.) There are those who are speaking out against the move, of course, including Democratic FCC
Commissioner Mignon Clyburn, who said it ”represents yet another in a series of steps being taken to jettison pro-consumer initiatives, and we should not stand silent as consumer protections ‘go gentle into that good night’.” Clyburn also noted that the larger broadband companies actually have holdings in these smaller companies, which means that the figures used for exemption could actually be way off.

[BoomerFan]

Senate Votes 50-48 to Allow ISP's to Collect and Sell User Data w/o Permission


Last fall, the FCC adopted a new privacy framework that would allow broadband consumers to have a much bigger say into what happens to their data as it passes through internet providers’ cables. The Senate has just voted to kill those protections, before they went into effect.

All 50 votes were Republicans:



This makes me angry. It should make everyone angry. 

[CKwi88]

(03-23-2017, 06:06 PM)BoomerFan Wrote: Senate Votes 50-48 to Allow ISP's to Collect and Sell User Data w/o Permission


Last fall, the FCC adopted a new privacy framework that would allow broadband consumers to have a much bigger say into what happens to their data as it passes through internet providers’ cables. The Senate has just voted to kill those protections, before they went into effect.

All 50 votes were Republicans:



This makes me angry. It should make everyone angry. 

Finally, the little guy is getting looked out for. 


Oh....wait....

[CageTheBengal]

F.U. Portman and Turtle!

[Vas Deferens]

Doesn't matter. Most of Trumps base has such low speeds they gave up on information a while ago.

Nice work small government. Regan would be proud.

Maybe this will keep some of the right wing pedophiles offline at least.

Would be fun to see which one got the most Comcast DNA in their eye. Heard that stings.

[BmorePat87]

There should only be one thing being throttled when you're on Pornhub. Let's keep it that way.

[JustWinBaby]

Yawn.....Wake me up when any of you understands pricing.

[GMDino]

(03-24-2017, 03:16 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Yawn.....Wake me up when any of you understands pricing.

Pricing on my information they are selling?

[CageTheBengal]

(03-24-2017, 03:16 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Yawn.....Wake me up when any of you understands pricing.

What part of Net Neutrality are you talking about?

The protection of your private info being tossed around to the highest bidder?

The protection of your dollar to make sure you actually are getting the service you pay your ISP for?

What about when ISPs offer unlimited data but then throttle you after 8 GB a month?

What about when ISPs never even gave you the internet speed you paid for to begin with?

What about the fact that there are companies like Hughes Net out there that rape the pockets of rural citizens with their crap satellite internet because there are no other options for them?

[JustWinBaby]

(03-24-2017, 12:57 PM)CageTheBengal Wrote: What part of Net Neutrality are you talking about?

The free market part, which has been working just fine (with a few hiccups, handled well by existing law) that past 20 years.

I could go on a long winded diatribe about how clueless, and how gullible, the fist-pumpers are in this thread. But, once again, lazy pseudo-intellectuals that are neither smart enough to know what they are arguing, nor insightful enough to propose something better, are throwing paint.

[JustWinBaby]

(03-24-2017, 12:57 PM)CageTheBengal Wrote: What part of Net Neutrality are you talking about?

And I would add that you are badly confused about what Net Neutrality means....as you spammed us with about 10 unrelated things.

[JustWinBaby]

(03-24-2017, 07:06 AM)GMDino Wrote: Pricing on my information they are selling?

Again, wake me up when you have a clue.

This will probably end-up like me asking for evidence of climate change.

[Rotobeast]

(03-23-2017, 06:06 PM)BoomerFan Wrote: Senate Votes 50-48 to Allow ISP's to Collect and Sell User Data w/o Permission


Last fall, the FCC adopted a new privacy framework that would allow broadband consumers to have a much bigger say into what happens to their data as it passes through internet providers’ cables. The Senate has just voted to kill those protections, before they went into effect.

All 50 votes were Republicans:



This makes me angry. It should make everyone angry. 

Oh, I'm gonna tweet Sasse on this one.

[GMDino]

(03-25-2017, 02:43 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Again, wake me up when you have a clue.

This will probably end-up like me asking for evidence of climate change.

Clue about pricing is what you said.

Pricing for what?

Explain or keep trolling...your choice I guess.

[CageTheBengal]

(03-25-2017, 02:41 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: And I would add that you are badly confused about what Net Neutrality means....as you spammed us with about 10 unrelated things.

I don't think you know what Net Neutrality is...like at all.

Keep spouting your uneducated opinion from your high horse though.

http://lifehacker.com/5720407/an-introduction-to-net-neutrality-what-it-is-what-it-means-for-you-and-what-you-can-do-about-it

(03-25-2017, 02:35 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: The free market part, which has been working just fine (with a few hiccups, handled well by existing law) that past 20 years.

I could go on a long winded diatribe about how clueless, and how gullible, the fist-pumpers are in this thread.   But, once again, lazy pseudo-intellectuals that are neither smart enough to know what they are arguing, nor insightful enough to propose something better, are throwing paint.

No please go on. You have flexed your intelligence thus far continue to enlighten us.

[JustWinBaby]

(03-25-2017, 10:56 AM)GMDino Wrote: Clue about pricing is what you said.

Pricing for what?

Explain or keep trolling...your choice I guess.

Pricing for service, and both the sender and receiver pay for service, which is usually where the confusion starts.

Selling your info is concerning, mainly due to lack of transparency and competition.  But normally you can opt out.  And if it's just metadata, then so what?

I can probably come up with at least half a dozen different services that sell your data, and opting out is difficult if not impossible. But it's mostly only when digital media is involved that the pitchforks come out.

[JustWinBaby]

(03-25-2017, 11:32 AM)CageTheBengal Wrote: I don't think you know what Net Neutrality is...like at all.

This is a thread wrongly, again, equating Netflix with Net Neutrality.

Net Neutrality is a pretty simple concept that is commonly misconstrued and misapplied to become an umbrella term for anything and everything people don't like about the internet.

And not a single issue in your list had anything to do with Net Neutrality, nor needs new rules to "protect" you. 

1) Selling your data is a privacy issue.  Many, many companies sell your data. Normally you can opt out, I don't disagree that you should have to opt in (maybe for discounted pricing), but it's not really a NN issue.

2) Not getting advertised speeds is already handled by existing advertising laws.

3) Throttling is not a NN issue when all data is created equal.  And when it's not, competition laws have handled this pretty well as companies have been fined hundreds of millions of dollars to favor their own products over third party.

4) "Raping" rural consumers is a competition issue, not a NN issue.

[GMDino]

(03-25-2017, 07:01 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Pricing for service, and both the sender and receiver pay for service, which is usually where the confusion starts.

Selling your info is concerning, mainly due to lack of transparency and competition.  But normally you can opt out.  And if it's just metadata, then so what?

I can probably come up with at least half a dozen different services that sell your data, and opting out is difficult if not impossible.  But it's mostly only when digital media is involved that the pitchforks come out.

And all we're talking about is them selling our data and the lack of privacy.

But...pricing.

[JustWinBaby]

(03-25-2017, 10:46 PM)GMDino Wrote: And all we're talking about is them selling our data and the lack of privacy.

Which is not a Net Neutrality issue.

Isn't this privacy issue already covered under existing FTC rules that govern the exact same thing with Google and the like?