i tried. i really did

[*Nately120*]

(06-16-2023, 05:53 PM)Leon Wrote: no one said a parade equals molestors. that you trying to avoid the specifc topic again by pretending i said something differnt

what do you say to post 33. are you ok with that or no

Im ok with it. If parents take their kids to it you should call the police on the parents I guess.  Is that the plan?  When I was a kid some of us had pretty easy access to playboy or R rated movies.  Some parents let their kids be exposed to adult stuff and some don't.  It has to be impossible to shield kids from sexual stuff in the internet age. 

If exposing kids to sexual stuff is criminal we need to go after parents for granting access to adult sexual content.  Hopefully the statute of limitations has passed for my friends dad letting us rent those slasher films in 1991. 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(06-16-2023, 06:04 PM)Leon Wrote: ive ownd a wide variety of guns for over 40 years. anyone saying any handgun and ar15 are on same level in ways of doing the fastest most damage in a short spurt dont know what there talking about an shouldnt own guns. theres a clear reason why ar15 is weapon of choice for psycos doing these shootings.

That's not what we're discussing.  We're discussing the "weapons of war" or "military grade" talking points.  Any semi-automatic long gun can do as much "damage" as an AR15, some considerably more, in the same amount of time.  None of that makes them "military grade" or "weapons of war".

[*pally*]

Far more "grooming" situations have taken place by ministers and priests in church settings. i have never seen an effort aimed at banning them from even standing in front of a child. In fact, most conservatives more than encourage a child to put themselves into the hands of a pastor. They openly push a child toward the church and promise all sorts of evil things if they don't go.

Inherently, a man performing in drag is not "grooming" a child any more than any other performer is grooming them. A hp thrust or chest shimmy dance move is equally "sexual" whether performed by a man or woman yet there is no effort aimed at banning cheerleading or dance squads.

Please tell me how exactly the vast majority of drag performers, acting in front of an audience, are grooming a child. And don't give me one-offs or dramatically edited videos produced by right-wing culture warriors. Tell me exactly in your own words how exactly is a drag performer is more harmful to a child than any other performer.

[Leon]

(06-16-2023, 06:06 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Im ok with it. If parents take their kids to it you should call the police on the parents I guess.  Is that the plan?  When I was a kid some of us had pretty easy access to playboy or R rated movies.  Some parents let their kids be exposed to adult stuff and some don't.  It has to be impossible to shield kids from sexual stuff in the internet age. 

If exposing kids to sexual stuff is criminal we need to go after parents for granting access to adult sexual content.  Hopefully the statute of limitations has passed for my friends dad letting us rent those slasher films in 1991. 

were your parents showing you the playboy and telling you to look at or did you go behind there backs. big differnce. you say you cant shield them nowdays but that doesnt mean you have to push it in there face. 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(06-16-2023, 06:09 PM)pally Wrote: Far more "grooming" situations have taken place by ministers and priests in church settings.  i have never seen an effort aimed at banning them from even standing in front of a child.  In fact, most conservatives more than encourage a child to put themselves into the hands of a pastor.  They openly push a child toward the church and promise all sorts of evil things if they don't go.

Inherently, a man performing in drag is not "grooming" a child any more than any other performer is grooming them.  A hp thrust or chest shimmy dance move is equally "sexual" whether performed by a man or woman yet there is no effort aimed at banning cheerleading or dance squads.  

Please tell me how exactly the vast majority of drag performers, acting in front of an audience, are grooming a child.  And don't give me one-offs or dramatically edited videos produced by right-wing culture warriors.  Tell me exactly in your own words how exactly is a drag performer is more harmful to a child than any other performer.

Are you actually saying that performing a sexually suggestive dance, while scantily clad, within feet of a child is ok?  I don't care if the performer is male, female, gay, straight or anything else.  It's suspect as hell and I would question the morals and intentions of anyone choosing to expose a child to that.

[*pally*]

(06-16-2023, 06:12 PM)Leon Wrote: were your parents showing you the playboy and telling you to look at or did you go behind there backs. big differnce. you say you cant shield them nowdays but that doesnt mean you have to push it in there face. 

but isn't that a decision for parents to make for their own child not the government or other parents forcing their choices on them

[*Nately120*]

(06-16-2023, 06:12 PM)Leon Wrote: were your parents showing you the playboy and telling you to look at or did you go behind there backs. big differnce. you say you cant shield them nowdays but that doesnt mean you have to push it in there face. 

The point is that adults due to intention or negligence let me and other kids view adult content.  I will say some adults I knew were a lot more "ok" with letting the boys see sexual stuff in order to "make men out of them."  We had a poster on here who was pretty right wing who talked about the tradition of taking teen sons to the strip club as a sort of tradition. 

Stuff like this is why people tried to ban the thong bikini.  Everything is sinful and sexual to Some folks. 


I will admit there were times when I'd be with my older cousin and they'd be watching something a bit racy and my ol man would be very "dont let your mom know you saw this" as he walked through the room.  

I also saw my first cinemax softcore porn when I was 13.  It was called Hung Jury.  Classic. 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(06-16-2023, 06:17 PM)pally Wrote: but isn't that a decision for parents to make for their own child not the government or other parents forcing their choices on them

Deliberately exposing a child to pornography is child abuse and will absolutely get DCFS, or CPS involved if reported.

[Leon]

(06-16-2023, 06:09 PM)pally Wrote: Far more "grooming" situations have taken place by ministers and priests in church settings.  i have never seen an effort aimed at banning them from even standing in front of a child.  In fact, most conservatives more than encourage a child to put themselves into the hands of a pastor.  They openly push a child toward the church and promise all sorts of evil things if they don't go.

Inherently, a man performing in drag is not "grooming" a child any more than any other performer is grooming them.  A hp thrust or chest shimmy dance move is equally "sexual" whether performed by a man or woman yet there is no effort aimed at banning cheerleading or dance squads.  

Please tell me how exactly the vast majority of drag performers, acting in front of an audience, are grooming a child.  And don't give me one-offs or dramatically edited videos produced by right-wing culture warriors.  Tell me exactly in your own words how exactly is a drag performer is more harmful to a child than any other performer.

you want to call them one offs but you cand find examples every single day. that not a one off. thats a pattern. you want to ignore them cause you no they cant be defended. if you could actally defend them you would,

[*pally*]

(06-16-2023, 06:20 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Deliberately exposing a child to pornography is child abuse and will absolutely get DCFS, or CPS involved if reported.

but is a naked body such as a Playboy centerfold pornographic.?  Is a drag performer pornographic?

[Leon]

(06-16-2023, 06:17 PM)pally Wrote: but isn't that a decision for parents to make for their own child not the government or other parents forcing their choices on them

they can make the decision to do it. and the state can decide to put them in jail or take the kids.

[Leon]

(06-16-2023, 06:26 PM)pally Wrote: but is a naked body such as a Playboy centerfold pornographic.?  Is a drag performer pornographic?

naked women. sexual suggesting positions. touching thereself.  thats porn.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(06-16-2023, 06:26 PM)pally Wrote: but is a naked body such as a Playboy centerfold pornographic.?  Is a drag performer pornographic?

We're firmly in the realm of semantics here, so your answer is going to depend on who you're asking. 

[*Nately120*]

(06-16-2023, 06:35 PM)Leon Wrote: naked women. sexual suggesting positions. touching thereself.  thats porn.

I can't be the only dude here who saw that stuff before he was 18. 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(06-16-2023, 06:42 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I can't be the only dude here who saw that stuff before he was 18. 

Dude, I had a friend in 3rd grade whose dad had a huge Play Boy stash in the attic.  Whenever the parents were out of the house we were in that attic.

[*Nately120*]

(06-16-2023, 06:50 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Dude, I had a friend in 3rd grade whose dad had a huge Play Boy stash in the attic.  Whenever the parents were out of the house we were in that attic.

Teen boys always find the house where the Playboys aren't under lock and key, go figure. 

[*pally*]

(06-16-2023, 06:16 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Are you actually saying that performing a sexually suggestive dance, while scantily clad, within feet of a child is ok?  I don't care if the performer is male, female, gay, straight or anything else.  It's suspect as hell and I would question the morals and intentions of anyone choosing to expose a child to that.

I didn't say that...The question was why is that standard only being applied to drag performers...and not even when they are just involved in an adult performance. Tey are also being targeted for doing nothing more offensive than sitting in a chair reading to children while wearing a costume.

We can start by stating that most truly adult drag performances, like other adult performances, are actually being performed by adults for adults.  

However, a man performing Dolly Parton's music while dressed up like Dolly Parton is no more "dangerous" than a woman dressing up like Dolly Parton performing Dolly Parton's music yet they are being treated differently.  So please tell me why the drag performance in this situation is "wrong" and the female performer is OK?

Why is there no legislative scrutiny over churches where thousands of children have been documented as being physically, sexually, and emotionally abused.  How is that safer for a child that the off chance of dealing with an aggressive drag performer

[*pally*]

(06-16-2023, 06:41 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: We're firmly in the realm of semantics here, so your answer is going to depend on who you're asking. 

absolutely it will depend but when posters are claiming all sorts of things it is good to know what their line is

[BengalYankee]

(06-16-2023, 06:53 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Teen boys always find the house where the Playboys aren't under lock and key, go figure. 

Were you a teenager in the 3rd grade???

[BengalYankee]

(06-16-2023, 06:50 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Dude, I had a friend in 3rd grade whose dad had a huge Play Boy stash in the attic.  Whenever the parents were out of the house we were in that attic.

You make me proud.