(03-13-2020, 01:51 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Hunter Biden received millions while his dad threatened the prosecutor to with hold million if he didn't drop an investigation against the company that hired his son,

This never happened.

Biden threatened to withhold funds in order to INCREASE investigations into corrupt corporations in the Ukraine.  He was demanding that the prosecutor who was TOO LAX on corruption be removed from his position.

And Biden was not acting by himself for his own self interest.  He was acting as part of a group that included multiple European governments, the  World Bank, and the International Monetary Fund.

You have your head so deep in the echo chamber you don't even know any facts about what actually happened.

(03-13-2020, 02:29 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: OMG he doesn't oversee the day to day operations??? What kind of leader does that??
And even now more than ever he needs to be micro-managing his businesses, there's money to be made!!

Still, you think someone who is so convinced that illegals are disease-carrying rapists would make a point to not hire any of them, bottom line and micromanaging be damned!

(03-13-2020, 01:55 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: France is closing for a while.

The government said they will pay for inactivities during the whole crisis. I can work from home so it's OK but many little business would have collapsed without this bailout.

Damn socialism.

They are sending a check to all the businesses to cover their losses?

(03-13-2020, 02:31 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This never happened.

Biden threatened to withhold funds in order to INCREASE investigations into corrupt corporations in the Ukraine.  He was demanding that the prosecutor who was TOO LAX on corruption be removed from his position.

And Biden was not acting by himself for his own self interest.  He was acting as part of a group that included multiple European governments, the  World Bank, and the International Monetary Fund.

You have your head so deep in the echo chamber you don't even know any facts about what actually happened.

Rep.

(03-13-2020, 01:41 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote:
Real Americans listen the news that are believable. The news sources you listen to have been losing in the ratings for years. Why is that. Could it be that intelligent people see thru their propaganda(Mueller report, impeachment). Coordinated attacks against a President by the media ,FBI, FISA courts have jaded the perception of the news media by the average viewer. 

Again, the "coordinated attacks against a President by the media, FBI, FISA courts" exist only in Foxworld and Infowars. This is propaganda directed by the White House and Fox against reputable news sources, which pose a danger to their support. 

In a matter of few hours now, you have put up a succession of uninformed posts full of factual inaccuracies you found "believable," apparently because you distrust reputable sources. That is the stuff of Trump's base, not some "average viewer."

When "believable" takes precedent over the factual record, that is a victory for propaganda.

(03-13-2020, 02:31 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This never happened.

Biden threatened to withhold funds in order to INCREASE investigations into corrupt corporations in the Ukraine.  He was demanding that the prosecutor who was TOO LAX on corruption be removed from his position.

And Biden was not acting by himself for his own self interest.  He was acting as part of a group that included multiple European governments, the  World Bank, and the International Monetary Fund.

Well said. In all my years on this board, I have never seen anyone dump so much disinformation on a thread in so short a time. Obama, Iran, the Bidens, deep state "conspiracy" against the president--even a Russian bot could not put together that many false claims in so short a time.

This is what happens when people come out of the bubble, where right wing rumors circulate unchallenged as "facts."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-rolls-back-rules-protecting-elderly/?fbclid=IwAR1TJEGcGZ89VDWV3KYQtHv_ioKSc84quu1cYo4wl65esUo_h7rLj5jOPAg

(03-13-2020, 02:29 PM)Nately120 Wrote: The media is a bunch of corrupt liars that brainwash and control people, and that's a fact because part of the media that I choose to believe told me so!

I love the part where you should’ve voted for an outsider and then castigated for voting for an outsider.

(03-13-2020, 02:29 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: OMG he doesn't oversee the day to day operations??? What kind of leader does that??
And even now more than ever he needs to be micro-managing his businesses, there's tax payer money to be made!!

So I’m more aware of his hiring practices than he he is? It would only take one phone call to put an end to it. Additionally, Trump is a part of the “problem” now and can propose changes that place American workers first over imported foreign labor. Has he? No. Why not? Because he’s not going to place America First above his own self interest because paying increased labor costs to working class Americans would cut into his profit margin.

(03-13-2020, 02:02 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Are these the same polls saying Hillary was going to win by a landslide?

Well the polls were right. They weren't the electorate tho which is the difference. 65m>62m

(03-13-2020, 01:51 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Thanks for bringing up the many ways Trump has been targeted by the media . Most of what you list are charges against others not Trump. Hunter Biden received millions while his dad threatened the prosecutor to with hold million if he didn't drop an investigation against the company that hired his son, who by the way had ZERO experience in the field. Not one single media followed up on the charges but crucified Trump for far less. If Trumps son would have been involved they would have hung them both.

Do you really want to get into nepotism and making money off their father's name? Because we don't have to point to the 1 million Biden made in 8 years when Trumps kids have made half a billion in 3.

It's a conversation Trump supporters really don't want to have outside of Fox News.

This is going to be a good argument in the fall because Trump kids (their deals and money made off of countries trying to please Trump by awarding trademarks making Ivanka far more than Biden made for example ) are going to get thrown in the spotlight and it's a trap Trump supporters should have long saw coming with this argument and focus.

(03-13-2020, 03:07 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I love the part where you should’ve voted for an outsider and then castigated for voting for an outsider.

Gary Johnson could have run as a republican if neo-cons were more interested in successful republican politicians who promote small government, freedom, fiscal conservatism, and the 2nd amendment.  Alas, being a proud sex offender and mocking a disabled person and veterans were more in line with what they were after.

Hard to compete with that, really.

IM ALLOWED TO POST ON HERE, AND YOU??????!!!!

(03-13-2020, 10:56 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I own 5 businesses and employ over 400 people. I have lead for over 45 years in business. I am just fine, Trump is just fine and a great leader of people. Leaders get results, community organizers speak well but have no clue how to get results.

(03-13-2020, 10:26 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Fair enough, but why is P&R password protected?

I do not have a pw for it which is BS

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, GET THIS MAN A PASSWORD! STAT!

BREAKING NEWS: White House announces 5 second rule has been reduced to 3 seconds amid coronavirus concerns.

Hmmm....



(Pretty sure that has been 'shopped')

(03-13-2020, 04:30 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Hmmm....



(Pretty sure that has been 'shopped')

100%; look at the railcar behind it.

I'm not interested in the political stuff in this thread. But since the thread appears to have moved from Jungle Noise to here I'll mention this. I went to my usual appointment at the VA today that occurs every two weeks . They told me that at least my next appointment and maybe more will be done via online video chat. They were handing out flyers on how to set that up with the VA Telehealth system. Not that I mind, I'd rather not spend time in a waiting room full of people that might be sick anyway. They told me it is mostly to contain and reduce chances of exposure for both patients and providers and that makes sense to me. I'm glad that the system is in place.

Good to see that they're getting smart.

Up here, the schools will be off for two weeks, after our March Break next week.

Both good and bad; good because it will curb the spread tremendously, bad because my wife may not get paid for 3 whole weeks and we will NOT be able to make our bill, property tax and mortgage payments on my salary alone (we could, but then no fuel for cars and no food for us to eat).

Wish Canada would adopt one of the European, "models," of dealing with the closure of things...

Trump is pointing to the HIV test of the 1980's (how long it took) to cover for the lack of testing we are experiencing today.

The 1980's! And when other less developed countries are testing at 10x the rate.

Anyone watching?