(04-05-2020, 10:28 AM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: I follow the news and I am concerned! There is a 2.7 % mortality rate from those who are tested positive for the Corona virus.  But wait, there is a 97.3 % recovery rate from the Corona virus! I like that number better! If you are less than 65 years of age, then you have a 99.56 % recovery rate.
But wait! I heard that 50 % of the people who have the Corona virus,  don't know that they  have it! Does this mean that  the above numbers are more favorable than shown?
But wait! I heard that 40% of the people who are exposed to the Corona virus won't contract it at all? Does that improve the chances for survival?
The news media doesn't approach the virus from this point of view and I understand why. I am not a scientist,  so please don't get mad at me if you disagree.  If I am going to worry, then maybe I can worry intelligently! Be diligent and be safe! God bless you!

I think the flu is somewhere around a .05% after some rough math i did days ago. 

I thought this one was closer to 1%. 2.7% is way worse.

Either way, if I have a 1 in 100 chance of dying if I get this. Well that just blows monkey anus.

We really don't know enough about it tbh. But I do know that I would rather not be willy nilly with a virus that has shut down the planet...

(04-05-2020, 10:27 AM)GMDino Wrote: I think our bank was changing forms because they weren't sure what they needed.

I understand the repayment part and that it's not to replace profit but rather cash flow.  I'm just saying that in three months if our sales stay low there will be no cashflow on the other end instead and we will suffer then instead of now.  And, again, not slamming the program..just that it may need extended if that is it's purpose.

I agree it will probably need extended. The max a business can receive is 2.5 times their average monthly payroll (including all payroll expenses) from January 2019 through February 2020. So the most it will cover is 10 weeks of payroll, but considering businesses can also use it to cover rent/mortgage and their utilities, it will realistically only cover half that worth of payroll. 

I'm thankful my bank is giving anyone who asked a 90 day deferment on principle and interest on any loan payments (personal or business) as well as permitting us to waive any fee a client claims is hardship do to the coronavirus (we don't have to ask for proof and we certainly aren't going to question anyone who asks). Plus we're suspending lease payments for any merchant service machine we provide to businesses. I mean I'm sure all banks (especially of our size) are doing this, but it's good that we're willingly doing what many are saying the government should start making us do. 

That still doesn't solve all a businesses problems, but I think it will make some difference for many.

(04-05-2020, 11:01 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: I think the flu is somewhere around a .05% after some rough math i did days ago. 

I thought this one was closer to 1%. 2.7% is way worse.

Either way, if I have a 1 in 100 chance of dying if I get this. Well that just blows monkey anus.

We really don't know enough about it tbh. But I do know that I would rather not be willy nilly with a virus that has shut down the planet...

Yep... All of that over 65 and underlying health conditions is starting to seem sorta suspect too. Tony Bosselli is 47 years old and a former pro athlete... He was on a ventilator in ICU.

They really don't know shit about this virus. 3-4 months is nothing as far as studying it goes.

(04-05-2020, 10:28 AM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: I follow the news and I am concerned! There is a 2.7 % mortality rate from those who are tested positive for the Corona virus.  But wait, there is a 97.3 % recovery rate from the Corona virus! I like that number better! If you are less than 65 years of age, then you have a 99.56 % recovery rate.
But wait! I heard that 50 % of the people who have the Corona virus,  don't know that they  have it! Does this mean that  the above numbers are more favorable than shown?
But wait! I heard that 40% of the people who are exposed to the Corona virus won't contract it at all? Does that improve the chances for survival?
The news media doesn't approach the virus from this point of view and I understand why. I am not a scientist,  so please don't get mad at me if you disagree.  If I am going to worry, then maybe I can worry intelligently! Be diligent and be safe! God bless you!

The main objective isn't "Only wimps die so what's the problem?"

It's that it massively overwhelms the hospitals and often infects the health staff. Your chances of survival increase when you have enough ventilators . . . if you don't have enough, that 1% goes up much, much higher.

I'm not mad because I disagree . . . I'm mad that your post makes it pretty clear that you listen to right wing media and little or nothing else. Like John Kelly said . . .

Quote:Perhaps Kelly's most sweeping criticism of Trump, though, came when he took aim at another target.

“The media, in my view, and I feel very strongly about this, is not the enemy of the people,” Kelly said. “We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides,” he continued. “So if you only watch Fox News because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."

Look around instead of only at what makes you comfortable. If you take in from only one side, you are voluntarily dumbing yourself down in today's information overload.

(04-05-2020, 01:55 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: The main objective isn't "Only wimps die so what's the problem?"

It's that it massively overwhelms the hospitals and often infects the health staff. Your chances of survival increase when you have enough ventilators . . . if you don't have enough, that 1% goes up much, much higher.

I'm not mad because I disagree . . . I'm mad that your post makes it pretty clear that you listen to right wing media and little or nothing else. Like John Kelly said . . .
Look around instead of only at what makes you comfortable. If you take in from only one side, you are voluntarily dumbing yourself down in today's information overload.

The lack of ICU beds and ventilators in the rural counties of middle America is alarming too... Right now it's concentrated around urban areas... If it makes it that far out into the boonies; look out.

(04-05-2020, 03:19 PM)jason Wrote: The lack of ICU beds and ventilators in the rural counties of middle America is alarming too... Right now it's concentrated around urban areas... If it makes it that far out into the boonies; look out.

It already has. Slower, but this is everywhere. Urban areas are no doubt getting hit hard (my sister is a doctor in NYC, shit is biblical apparently) and rural areas will follow. The hope is that the mitigation worked enough to slow the spread in already sparsely populated areas and that by the time the worst hits the rural areas asome of the resources dedicated to the cities can then be repurposed.

My job said that normal operations would resume in the beginning of May, I'd be shocked if things are back to anything remotely resembling normal before July.

(04-05-2020, 03:28 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: It already has. Slower, but this is everywhere. Urban areas are no doubt getting hit hard (my sister is a doctor in NYC, shit is biblical apparently) and rural areas will follow. The hope is that the mitigation worked enough to slow the spread in already sparsely populated areas and that by the time the worst hits the rural areas asome of the resources dedicated to the cities can then be repurposed.

My job said that normal operations would resume in the beginning of May, I'd be shocked if things are back to anything remotely resembling normal before July.

I heard rumblings this morning on Face the Nation or Meet the Press that this will likely go on til there is a vaccine or treatment... Unfortunately for myself, and millions like me, my work IS basically normal still... I get that I'm fortunate to not be struggling for money, and not falling behind on my bills, but this is life and death out here too. I'm not overly happy about it.

(04-02-2020, 07:35 PM)GMDino Wrote: Can't you just hear the small, man-child, slamming his tiny fists and demanding they "get rid of" the officer who asked for help?  Trump may have looked bad for goodness sake!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/navy-expected-relieve-captain-who-raised-alarm-about-covid-19-n1175351?fbclid=IwAR1nPN1zpXHM9x7cX2j13_tYHjJ3yLKLf_GPkwSRGhZRIuYUwyISjr7qiO0

DOJ inspector general Michael Horowitz issued a statement of support for MIchael Atkinson, the intelligence community inspector general Trump fired late last night: pic.twitter.com/Sut0x4YdsB

— Charlie Savage (@charlie_savage) April 4, 2020

 

He is not helping...seriously.  He needs to shut up.

After touting unproven and potentially dangerous drugs, Trump says: "What do I know? I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doctor. But I have common sense." pic.twitter.com/YGaGiPIMGK

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) April 5, 2020

It's almost like the United States has no President - we are a rudderless ship heading for a major disaster. Good luck everyone!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 20, 2014

 

“People we’re dying” is a grammatical mistake for the history books pic.twitter.com/GeEJTjB29o

— Harry Siegel (@harrysiegel) April 6, 2020

 

A lot of non-doctors giving medical advice while claiming "what do you have to lose" because they know they can't be held accountable when people die.

Peter Navarro on internal administration disagreement with Dr. Fauci about hydroxychloroquine: "I think history will judge who's right on this debate, but I'd bet on President Trump's intuition." pic.twitter.com/IKhTab1aJr

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) April 6, 2020

(04-05-2020, 01:55 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: The main objective isn't "Only wimps die so what's the problem?"

It's that it massively overwhelms the hospitals and often infects the health staff. Your chances of survival increase when you have enough ventilators . . . if you don't have enough, that 1% goes up much, much higher.

I'm not mad because I disagree . . . I'm mad that your post makes it pretty clear that you listen to right wing media and little or nothing else. Like John Kelly said . . .
Look around instead of only at what makes you comfortable. If you take in from only one side, you are voluntarily dumbing yourself down in today's information overload.

I'm not certain, but I believe he is a fairly liberal guy who is just asking some questions.  Maybe I got him confused with someone else, but it's OK to ask questions.  

(04-05-2020, 01:55 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: The main objective isn't "Only wimps die so what's the problem?"

It's that it massively overwhelms the hospitals and often infects the health staff. Your chances of survival increase when you have enough ventilators . . . if you don't have enough, that 1% goes up much, much higher.

I'm not mad because I disagree . . . I'm mad that your post makes it pretty clear that you listen to right wing media and little or nothing else. Like John Kelly said . . .
Look around instead of only at what makes you comfortable. If you take in from only one side, you are voluntarily dumbing yourself down in today's information overload.

I’m not mad either. And I don’t listen to any right wing news. At all. I just took it from a right wing friend of mine who posted it to Facebook and wanted to see how it was going to be received here. Then I’ll take some well thought out posts on here and answer them on Facebook just to watch their heads explode. Plus I hope and pray those posts will educate them better for the future. Not that I’m seeing that come to fruition yet, but that’s my hope.
I agree 100% with your post. Shop around for your news and make an informed opinion for your self and family. These are unprecedented times we’re living in.....be a good neighbor. Look for ways to help others. Don’t hoard. Donate to local food banks and other charities if your able to, support local businesses and most importantly keep a positive attitude. We’re all in this together.

(04-02-2020, 07:35 PM)GMDino Wrote: Can't you just hear the small, man-child, slamming his tiny fists and demanding they "get rid of" the officer who asked for help?  Trump may have looked bad for goodness sake!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/navy-expected-relieve-captain-who-raised-alarm-about-covid-19-n1175351?fbclid=IwAR1nPN1zpXHM9x7cX2j13_tYHjJ3yLKLf_GPkwSRGhZRIuYUwyISjr7qiO0

This may be a cousin’s friend’s sister kind of story, but my brother’s father-in-law was a commander on a destroyer and said this guy would be removed 100% of the time without debate. He probably knew it as well, so you have to give him kudos for putting his neck out there knowing it was going to get chopped off.

(04-06-2020, 12:27 PM)michaelsean Wrote: This may be a cousin’s friend’s sister kind of story, but my brother’s father-in-law was a commander on a destroyer and said this guy would be removed 100% of the time without debate. He probably knew it as well, so you have to give him kudos for putting his neck out there knowing it was going to get chopped off.

I was thinking the same. While I'm not military, government work really has a hard-on for the concept of "chain of command", usually to the overall detriment. 

I got a formal reprimand for calling a team meeting in one of the districts I'm responsible for all because I didn't inform the central office.

(04-06-2020, 12:27 PM)michaelsean Wrote: This may be a cousin’s friend’s sister kind of story, but my brother’s father-in-law was a commander on a destroyer and said this guy would be removed 100% of the time without debate. He probably knew it as well, so you have to give him kudos for putting his neck out there knowing it was going to get chopped off.

Yeah, I'd put more stock in DJT caring one iota about "chain of command" if I didn't hear with my own ears his words about it.

More than once Trump did something he's "allowed" to do but probably should not have.

(04-06-2020, 01:11 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yeah, I'd put more stock in DJT caring one iota about "chain of command" if I didn't hear with my own ears his words about it.

More than once Trump did something he's "allowed" to do but probably should not have.

I think it was not only chain of command, but emailing it to 20 people and having it leaked.  But my bros FIL said it's not even a question no matter who is president.  I've never met the guy so for all I know he's off his rocker, so take it for what it's worth.

(04-06-2020, 01:07 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: I was thinking the same. While I'm not military, government work really has a hard-on for the concept of "chain of command", usually to the overall detriment. 

I got a formal reprimand for calling a team meeting in one of the districts I'm responsible for all because I didn't inform the central office.

Never go against the central office.