(04-16-2020, 08:52 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: They are Steelers fans  :andy:

As I read through I saw a handful of my friends on there...but most seem to be from the Eastern and Central part of the state so I'm assuming Eagles.  

(04-16-2020, 09:00 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: So, I've read the bill, now, and I have to say I made assumptions based on how these things usually work. Usually with a stimulus payment, they refund is a pre-payment of the refund you would get when you file your taxes. This is what we have seen in the past. In this scenario, though, Congress created a new credit for your 2020 taxes to be paid immediately. So I do stand corrected; it appears it will not have to be paid back. This is in Section 2201 of 116 H.R. 748, in case anyone is interested in reading it, themselves.

Thanks for the details

(04-16-2020, 09:22 AM)GMDino Wrote: As I read through I saw a handful of my friends on there...but most seem to be from the Eastern and Central part of the state so I'm assuming Eagles.  

There are a lot of Ravens fans in that territory, too. Some of my family lives in Duncanon, so I've seen that crowd.

This is pure gold ...
Can’t take credit, copied and pasted but no clue where it originated

The Rules as of today: ? ???
1. Basically, you can't leave the house for any reason, but if you have to, then you can.
2. Masks are useless, but maybe you have to wear one, it can save you, it is useless, but maybe it is mandatory as well.
3. Stores are closed, except those that are open.
4. You should not go to hospitals unless you have to go there. Same applies to doctors, you should only go there in case of emergency, provided you are not too sick.
5. This virus is deadly but still not too scary, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster.
6. Gloves won't help, but they can still help.
7. Everyone needs to stay HOME, but it's important to GO OUT.
8. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarket, but there are many things missing when you go there in the evening, but not in the morning. Sometimes.
9. The virus has no effect on children except those it affects.
10. Animals are not affected, but there is still a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested, plus a few tigers here and there…
11. You will have many symptoms when you are sick, but you can also get sick without symptoms, have symptoms without being sick, or be contagious without having symptoms. Oh, my..
12. In order not to get sick, you have to eat well and exercise, but eat whatever you have on hand and it's better not to go out, well, but no…
13. It's better to get some fresh air, but you get looked at very wrong when you get some fresh air, and most importantly, you don't go to parks or walk. But don’t sit down, except that you can do that now if you are old, but not for too long or if you are pregnant (but not too old).
14. You can't go to retirement homes, but you have to take care of the elderly and bring food and medication.
15. If you are sick, you can't go out, but you can go to the pharmacy.
16. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house, which may have been prepared by people who didn't wear masks or gloves. But you have to have your groceries decontaminated outside for 3 hours. Pizza too?
17. Every disturbing article or disturbing interview must start with " I don't want to trigger panic, but…"
18. You can't see your older mother or grandmother, but you can take a taxi and meet an older taxi driver.
19. You can walk around with a friend but not with your family if they don't live under the same roof.
20. You are safe if you maintain the appropriate social distance, but you can’t go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance.
21. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours, no, four, no, six, no, we didn't say hours, maybe days? But it takes a damp environment. Oh no, not necessarily.
22. The virus stays in the air - well no, or yes, maybe, especially in a closed room, in one hour a sick person can infect ten, so if it falls, all our children were already infected at school before it was closed. But remember, if you stay at the recommended social distance, however in certain circumstances you should maintain a greater distance, which, studies show, the virus can travel further, maybe.
23. We count the number of deaths but we don't know how many people are infected as we have only tested so far those who were "almost dead" to find out if that's what they will die of
24. We have no treatment, except that there may be one that apparently is not dangerous unless you take too much (which is the case with all medications).
25. We should stay locked up until the virus disappears, but it will only disappear if we achieve collective immunity, so when it circulates… but we must no longer be locked up for that?

Copied and posted ?

"appetizing opportunities"

DR OZ: "Schools are a very appetizing opportunity. I just saw a nice piece in The Lancet arguing the opening of schools may only cost us 2 to 3%, in terms of total mortality. Any, you know, any life is a life lost, but ... that might be a tradeoff some folks would consider." ? pic.twitter.com/aifMeKTsIv

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) April 16, 2020

 



"pro-life"

This thing is like Vietnam...we are just going to downplay it and let it continue until eventually everyone knows someone who died for nothing and can't ignore it anymore.

(04-16-2020, 01:16 PM)Nately120 Wrote: This thing is like Vietnam...we are just going to downplay it and let it continue until eventually everyone knows someone who died for nothing and can't ignore it anymore.

In Vietnam they died for nothing... This time they will die for the economy.

(04-16-2020, 01:25 PM)jason Wrote: In Vietnam they died for nothing... This time they will die for the economy.

Fair enough.  This just comes down to people being all too quick to volunteer other people to die for their beliefs and desires.  Someone call John Fogerty and get him to write another version of Fortunate Son!  

I regret that I have but one life to give for the economy we willingly print money and bail out on a regular basis....hey wait a minute...

(04-16-2020, 02:02 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Fair enough.  This just comes down to people being all too quick to volunteer other people to die for their beliefs and desires.  Someone call John Fogerty and get him to write another version of Fortunate Son!  

I regret that I have but one life to give for the economy we willingly print money and bail out on a regular basis....hey wait a minute...

I was just listening to a guy with stage 4 lung cancer on the radio ranting about how we need to get the economy opened up...

(04-16-2020, 01:00 PM)GMDino Wrote: "appetizing opportunities"

DR OZ: "Schools are a very appetizing opportunity. I just saw a nice piece in The Lancet arguing the opening of schools may only cost us 2 to 3%, in terms of total mortality. Any, you know, any life is a life lost, but ... that might be a tradeoff some folks would consider." ? pic.twitter.com/aifMeKTsIv

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) April 16, 2020

 



"pro-life"

Fauci said they're looking at ~60,000 deaths now when this is all said and done with the revised model, yeah?

There are ~57 million students in Elementary/Middle/High School in the US. Being able to put 57 million lives back on track, and ensuring at least 57 million minors can get at least 1 solid meal in their day.
vs
1,200-1,800 more deaths

- - - - - - - - - -

EVENTUALLY they have to go back. If we're seriously talking about reliable data that says only 1,200-1,800 more people would die if 57 million students went back to school (and all those teachers/janitors/kitchen staff/coaches went back to work) then you have to consider it. There's NEVER going to be a time when that number will be 0 unless we manage to make a vaccine that works 100% of the time on 100% of the people. (EDIT: And then somehow convince 100% of people in the country to take it.)

I'm full on Team Stay-At-Home, but if those numbers can be trusted, you have to give it strong consideration.

Plus, how many parents are still working but don't have anywhere/anyone to watch their child while they are at work? Or how many parents AREN'T working and a school lunch could be the only full meal that the kid could get all day?

(04-16-2020, 12:20 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: This is pure gold ...
Can’t take credit, copied and pasted but no clue where it originated

The Rules as of today: ? ???
1. Basically, you can't leave the house for any reason, but if you have to, then you can.
2. Masks are useless, but maybe you have to wear one, it can save you, it is useless, but maybe it is mandatory as well.
3. Stores are closed, except those that are open.
4. You should not go to hospitals unless you have to go there. Same applies to doctors, you should only go there in case of emergency, provided you are not too sick.
5. This virus is deadly but still not too scary, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster.
6. Gloves won't help, but they can still help.
7. Everyone needs to stay HOME, but it's important to GO OUT.
8. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarket, but there are many things missing when you go there in the evening, but not in the morning. Sometimes.
9. The virus has no effect on children except those it affects.
10. Animals are not affected, but there is still a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested, plus a few tigers here and there…
11. You will have many symptoms when you are sick, but you can also get sick without symptoms, have symptoms without being sick, or be contagious without having symptoms. Oh, my..
12. In order not to get sick, you have to eat well and exercise, but eat whatever you have on hand and it's better not to go out, well, but no…
13. It's better to get some fresh air, but you get looked at very wrong when you get some fresh air, and most importantly, you don't go to parks or walk. But don’t sit down, except that you can do that now if you are old, but not for too long or if you are pregnant (but not too old).
14. You can't go to retirement homes, but you have to take care of the elderly and bring food and medication.
15. If you are sick, you can't go out, but you can go to the pharmacy.
16. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house, which may have been prepared by people who didn't wear masks or gloves. But you have to have your groceries decontaminated outside for 3 hours. Pizza too?
17. Every disturbing article or disturbing interview must start with " I don't want to trigger panic, but…"
18. You can't see your older mother or grandmother, but you can take a taxi and meet an older taxi driver.
19. You can walk around with a friend but not with your family if they don't live under the same roof.
20. You are safe if you maintain the appropriate social distance, but you can’t go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance.
21. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours, no, four, no, six, no, we didn't say hours, maybe days? But it takes a damp environment. Oh no, not necessarily.
22. The virus stays in the air - well no, or yes, maybe, especially in a closed room, in one hour a sick person can infect ten, so if it falls, all our children were already infected at school before it was closed. But remember, if you stay at the recommended social distance, however in certain circumstances you should maintain a greater distance, which, studies show, the virus can travel further, maybe.
23. We count the number of deaths but we don't know how many people are infected as we have only tested so far those who were "almost dead" to find out if that's what they will die of
24. We have no treatment, except that there may be one that apparently is not dangerous unless you take too much (which is the case with all medications).
25. We should stay locked up until the virus disappears, but it will only disappear if we achieve collective immunity, so when it circulates… but we must no longer be locked up for that?

Copied and posted ?

This takes bits of information given at different times by different people, with different levels of knowledge and authority, and frames them as contradictory dicta from one source--"the experts." (I have mentioned before the dubious use of lists by right wing sources--30,000 "scientists" who dispute global warming, 400 police incidents created by Occupy Wall Street, Hannity's list of "289 promises Trump kept," etc.)

This is the OPPOSITE from the kind of information dispensed by Cuomo's news conference today--an attempt to explain to the public how models and projections are made, and how they determine the rate of spread and then vary according to changes in the rate of spread.  


Why would you want to keep that incitement to accept disinformation circulating?

We're getting to see the troglodytes show their asses in Kentucky, Michigan, and Ohio now. A few scumbag business owners and one state rep here in Kentucky gathered outside the governor's daily briefing to shout and chant in protest of the stay-at-home advisories.

IMO this is entirely politically motivated in every states in which it occurs. Beshear was gaining popularity here, and the far right in the state (no shortage of them) couldn't let that go without a major disruption. It's not a coincidence that the woman organizing the rallies, a local furniture store owner, was appointed to several positions in Ex-governor (and national embarrassment/bible thumper, child rapist pardoner) Matt Bevin's cabinet. She's out for revenge and the herd here is all to happy to oblige.

I understand that people want to re-open the economy, but IMO this is pretty irresponsible. Basically, these people are telling fellow citizens that they don't care if their actions spread a disease that could kill you. I am personally rooting for the virus to tear through those protesters in a week or two. Yeah, it's a shitty thing to say, but they've publicly told the rest of us that the potential cost of our lives is negotiable when it comes to opening their businesses. They are scum and deserve to reap the reward for their stupidity.

(04-16-2020, 03:14 PM)Dill Wrote: This takes bits of information given at different times by different people, with different levels of knowledge and authority, and frames them as contradictory dicta from one source--"the experts." (I have mentioned before the dubious use of lists by right wing sources--30,000 "scientists" who dispute global warming, 400 police incidents created by Occupy Wall Street, Hannity's list of "289 promises Trump kept," etc.)

This is the OPPOSITE from the kind of information dispensed by Cuomo's news conference today--an attempt to explain to the public how models and projections are made, and how they determine the rate of spread and then vary according to changes in the rate of spread.  


Why would you want to keep that incitement to accept disinformation circulating?

I love how so-called skeptics love to post this sort of thing (no offense Hawk, I know you're solid, just a criticism of the post itself, although it is funny) to take shots at things experts are suggesting to combat the pandemic.  These are generally the same kinds of people that will accuse people of "getting their facts from the lame stream media".

It takes a dump truck load of cognitive dissonance to criticize out-in-the-open media, no matter how slanted it is, then in the same argument support your opinion with memes and garbage you've heard from unaccountable, wild-west social media.  Social media is literally the least legit source of information for anything, but it seems to be the only source of content for a sadly large percentage of the population.  Much of it is demonstrably false and intentionally nihilistic, but it does the job of driving the herd well and inoculating the narrative from fact.  These people will get other people killed.

The wife just got back from wal Mart and said almost no customers and none of the employees were in masks and some people audibly scoffed at her for wearing one.

We seem to be asking for trouble.

(04-16-2020, 05:26 PM)Nately120 Wrote: The wife just got back from wal Mart and said almost no customers and none of the employees were in masks and some people audibly scoffed at her for wearing one.

We seem to be asking for trouble.

She probably even wore her seatbelt on the drive home... What a chicken.

(04-16-2020, 06:18 PM)jason Wrote: She probably even wore her seatbelt on the drive home... What a chicken.

She's a cowardly one, that's for sure.

(04-16-2020, 04:51 PM)samhain Wrote: I love how so-called skeptics love to post this sort of thing (no offense Hawk, I know you're solid, just a criticism of the post itself, although it is funny) to take shots at things experts are suggesting to combat the pandemic.  These are generally the same kinds of people that will accuse people of "getting their facts from the lame stream media".

It takes a dump truck load of cognitive dissonance to criticize out-in-the-open media, no matter how slanted it is, then in the same argument support your opinion with memes and garbage you've heard from unaccountable, wild-west social media.  Social media is literally the least legit source of information for anything, but it seems to be the only source of content for a sadly large percentage of the population.  Much of it is demonstrably false and intentionally nihilistic, but it does the job of driving the herd well and inoculating the narrative from fact.  These people will get other people killed.

LOL you got that right.

What I want to see is a compilation of contradictory statements from ONE SOURCE, namely our president, who now says governors "call the shots" when it comes to re-opening the economy. 

I get the impression people school him on Constitutional Law AFTER he makes wild claims at press conferences.

What I don't get are why neo-cons are so dead-set on reopening the economy since they seem to have no trouble preaching that people who are struggling financially just need to sell their fancy phones and stop wasting money. Shouldn't they be financially set and gleefully watching the liberal dopes starve and panic?

Anyone else here the governor of New Jersey say understanding the Bill of Rights is above his pay grade?

(04-16-2020, 05:26 PM)Nately120 Wrote: The wife just got back from wal Mart and said almost no customers and none of the employees were in masks and some people audibly scoffed at her for wearing one.

We seem to be asking for trouble.

It wasn’t a scoff. Well it was, but she wasn’t supposed to hear it.