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W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - GMDino - 05-10-2017 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/05/10/w-virginia-reporter-arrested-yelling-questions-visiting-hhs-secretary-tom-price/101503242/ Quote:A veteran West Virginia reporter has been arrested and charged with "disruption of government services" in the state capitol for "yelling questions" at visiting Health and Human Services secretary Tom Price and White House senior advisor Kellyanne Conway. Snowflakes don't like voices I guess? (Did I do that right?) RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - Benton - 05-10-2017 Was just thinking about posting something on this. Of course, I'm admittedly one-sided on this issue. But arresting reporters because they asked questions too loudly — chiefly because they were being ignored — is a horrible road to go down. Price didn't have to answer the question. He could've said "I don't know" or "No comment" or "you've got bad breath, put it in an email." But to ignore a representative of the people and arrest that representative is dangerous. RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - Dill - 05-10-2017 (05-10-2017, 12:49 PM)Benton Wrote: Was just thinking about posting something on this. When one looks at this incident in the context of Trump administration press relations, then it certainly looks bad, part of a trend to rebuke, intimidate, limit access and otherwise muzzle the press. But the description above leaves open another interpretation, namely that the law enforcement in this case may have mucked this up on their own initiative, over-reacted. Even so, Price might have stuck up for the reporter, demanding he be released from jail. RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - bfine32 - 05-10-2017 Quote:“The above defendant was aggressively breaching the secret service agents to the point where the agents were forced to remove him a couple of times from the area walking up the hallway in the main building of the Capitol,” Yep, that'll get you in trouble every time. RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - Benton - 05-10-2017 (05-10-2017, 01:21 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Yep, that'll get you in trouble every time. Depends on protocol. I've never been a DC area reporter, so I can't speak to that. But I have traveled with governors, senators, etc., and been in state houses, jails, courtrooms and other areas where there are very specific regulations on where you are allowed to go, where you can have electronic devices, and other restrictions. Media are often allowed access that people off the street aren't because they are representative of those people off the street... provided they follow a few guidelines. Being polite is not one I've ever encountered. This reporter wasn't exactly new to the beat. It is possible he was intentionally pushing so he could get arrested and get a moment of fame on the other side of the camera. Sure. I find it more likely, though, that he was doing something he had probably done regularly throughout his career there, he just wasn't used to an administration that prefers a fettered press. RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - CageTheBengal - 05-10-2017 (05-10-2017, 12:49 PM)Benton Wrote: Was just thinking about posting something on this. Don't like it either. The governor of Texas signed a bill he knew he would get flack for on Facebook Live because there would be nobody to answer to. RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - GMDino - 05-10-2017 (05-10-2017, 01:33 PM)Benton Wrote: Depends on protocol. After 30 years I don't think he would have felt the need to get arrested to make a point. I think it's not elected officials aren't happy with tough questions and they are used to avoiding it. Doesn't mean the reporter didn't cross a line somewhere. But it could probably have been handled without an arrest and charges being filed. Bad optics at the least. RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - GMDino - 05-10-2017 (05-10-2017, 01:35 PM)CageTheBengal Wrote: Don't like it either. Or the midnight signings, or late Friday media dumps. They know how to hide their dirty laundry. RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - bfine32 - 05-10-2017 (05-10-2017, 01:33 PM)Benton Wrote: Depends on protocol. I've never seen any protocol where actively trying to breech Secret Service will not get you in trouble. I will say if he were arrested for simply asking a question; then there is a problem, I have mentioned my displeasure with the way the Trump administration has dealt with the media in the past. However, the examples I remember were simply disagreeing with the validity of their stance. If we are arresting folks for simply asking questions; as the OP suggest, then we have a serious problem. RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - Benton - 05-10-2017 (05-10-2017, 01:48 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Depends on the situation. Media are, normally, given different treatment. If this was a guy on the street shouting a question and trying to push through SS, then I would agree. If it's a reporter who — based off my own experience with security details — normally shouts a question and pushes through the detail, I disagree. It's entirely up to the individual, though. As in courtrooms where a judge has authority to limit some devices, discussion, photos, etc. It boils down to personal preference. I've been in courtrooms where the judge ordered court security to keep things minimally intrusive, and others where judges didn't care if reporters sat up near the bench. Lawmakers, likewise, are able to allow or disallow how strict their security details are. If the norm for Price is to allow reporters into some areas and ask questions, then he — in my opinion — made a significant error by ordering or in the least allowing that protocol to change because he was didn't want to answer a question. RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - bfine32 - 05-10-2017 (05-10-2017, 02:47 PM). Benton Wrote: Depends on the situation.Okey Doke we'll just disagree on the assertion of actively trying to breech the Secret Service can be allowed depending on protocol or the situation and additional leeway is given to the media. This was not "some security detail." I'll stand by the assertion that it will get you in trouble every time. Now weather is was standard proceedure for Secret Service to deny what he was doing is a totally different situation. RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-10-2017 That's how we treat the enemy of the people. Keep it up and we will declare you a non-combatant of the people and ship your ass to Guantanamo. RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - michaelsean - 05-11-2017 Yeah I'm not getting the issue here. The secret service removed him several times? Sorry, but you were warned. If you don't think they should have done that, then take it up with someone later. It's like with cops. You're not going to win at the scene. RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-11-2017 (05-10-2017, 02:57 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Okey Doke we'll just disagree on the assertion of actively trying to breech the Secret Service can be allowed depending on protocol or the situation and additional leeway is given to the media. This was not "some security detail." I'll stand by the assertion that it will get you in trouble every time. What was he doing to "aggressively breach" the Secret Service that forced them to remove him a couple times from "the area walking up the hallway"? That could mean he stood in their path asking questions and they had to "remove" him from their path. That is the part of the story that makes this newsworthy or the reporter a dumbass for doing something stupid. We will likely never know. RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - Benton - 05-11-2017 (05-11-2017, 10:26 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Yeah I'm not getting the issue here. The secret service removed him several times? Sorry, but you were warned. If you don't think they should have done that, then take it up with someone later. It's like with cops. You're not going to win at the scene. The issue is the where of it. If he was removed from a public area or a press area, that's significant issue. That's along the lines of the police asking you to get off the sidewalk because a public official doesn't like you, not at the scene of a crime. If it was a restricted area where exceptions weren't normally made for the media, I agree. If it was, or a public area as some of the stories are saying, then it was handled poorly. RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - michaelsean - 05-11-2017 (05-11-2017, 01:41 PM)Benton Wrote: The issue is the where of it. If he was removed from a public area or a press area, that's significant issue. That's along the lines of the police asking you to get off the sidewalk because a public official doesn't like you, not at the scene of a crime. I agree, but you take it up down the road. If you end up in jail because you repeatedly ignore the Secret Service, that's your own stupidity. RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-11-2017 (05-11-2017, 02:46 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I agree, but you take it up down the road. If you end up in jail because you repeatedly ignore the Secret Service, that's your own stupidity. This reminds me of some of the initial reaction to the passenger on United who refused to give up his seat due to overbooking. I need more detail to know who is in the wrong here. RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - Benton - 05-11-2017 (05-11-2017, 02:46 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I agree, but you take it up down the road. If you end up in jail because you repeatedly ignore the Secret Service, that's your own stupidity. The secret service has no right to kick you out of a public place because they don't like you. Edit to add, if I remember right, it was the capitol police, not the ss. RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-11-2017 Quote:Valerie Woody, who was there as outreach coordinator for the West Virginia Citizen Action Group, said Price's group was moving quickly down a hallway and Heyman was racing after them. Granted that's only one eye witness account, but that description doesn't equal multiple or aggressive breachs of Secret Service security. RE: W. Va. reporter arrested for 'yelling questions' at HHS secretary - Nebuchadnezzar - 05-12-2017 I think he was arrested because he didn't obey the commands of the Secret Service...many times. It says right there in the article that he had to be "removed a couple of times", so that tells me he was told multiple times to back up or whatever. |