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Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - GMDino - 08-07-2017 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/05/madison-girls-soccer-team-bristles-critics-who-say-players-boys/459741001/ Quote:When Mira Wilde was 8 years old, she wanted to cut her hair like one of her idols, Ellen DeGeneres. So she did. It continues to amaze me that grown men and women can't accept a girl with short hair in 2016. They are girls playing soccer against other girls. They aren't going out for the boy's team, they aren't taking hormones...they have a haircut conducive to their sport of choice and based on an adult who plays at the world level. What more do these biased fools want? Oh yeah...they want the girls to "look like girls" and not play so "rough". Sad. RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - Au165 - 08-07-2017 As a high school coach, I hate youth sports with a passion. It brings out the worst in adults. RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - Benton - 08-07-2017 Having spent the last year and a half on the sidelines of competitive youth soccer, this does't surprise me at all. Not about the gender, just about crappy people as parents. You want to see some stressed out, overly involved adults yelling at children (normally telling them something completely wrong), go to a soccer game. One girl in our club is unusually tall for her age. She looks like a 6-foot tall teenager, but she's only 11. Every team that plays hers heckles the kid or complains to the ref that they brought a high schooler. She takes it pretty hard sometimes when a 40 year old guy is telling her she should be ashamed for playing little kids. RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - Au165 - 08-07-2017 (08-07-2017, 10:59 AM)Benton Wrote: Having spent the last year and a half on the sidelines of competitive youth soccer, this does't surprise me at all. Not about the gender, just about crappy people as parents. Yep, this is really the takeaway from this article. Some of the worst displays of humanity I have ever witnessed have been at youth sport contests. RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - Vlad - 08-07-2017 (08-07-2017, 10:32 AM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/05/madison-girls-soccer-team-bristles-critics-who-say-players-boys/459741001/ Even now in 2017. So so sad, its borderline oppressive. RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - GMDino - 08-07-2017 (08-07-2017, 10:57 AM)Au165 Wrote: As a high school coach, I hate youth sports with a passion. It brings out the worst in adults. (08-07-2017, 10:59 AM)Benton Wrote: Having spent the last year and a half on the sidelines of competitive youth soccer, this does't surprise me at all. Not about the gender, just about crappy people as parents. Oh, no doubt! When our daughter played soccer I was totally relieved that she decided to quit before going up to the next level. Parents are awful in general when it comes to sports. Not all of them, but enough of them! But this thing with worrying about girls versus boys based on a haircut just reeks of 50's and 60's mentality to me. I wouldn't be surprised to see an article about "colored" kids next. RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - GMDino - 08-07-2017 (08-07-2017, 11:25 AM)Vlad Wrote: Even now in 2017. Ha! I forgot the year! That should tell you what kind of day this has been already! RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - Au165 - 08-07-2017 (08-07-2017, 11:26 AM)GMDino Wrote: Oh, no doubt! I have seen parents physically assault high school kids refing youth sports. This is just a different version of youth sport parents being an idiot. The topic of their stupidity changes, but the underlying issue is universal. RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - Nebuchadnezzar - 08-07-2017 I remember when my two oldest played soccer and watching other parents lose their minds. There was more than a few times a parent or parents would threaten the refs, coaches, other parents and their own child with violence. "I'LL BE WAITING FOR YOU IN THE PARKING LOT AFTER THE GAME!" yelled parents at that 15 year old ref, "We are going to TALK about this." It was disgusting. Soccer is a too violent spectator sport, it brings out the worse in people for some reason. RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - GMDino - 08-07-2017 (08-07-2017, 11:39 AM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: I remember when my two oldest played soccer and watching other parents lose their minds. There was more than a few times a parent or parents would threaten the refs, coaches, other parents and their own child with violence. "I'LL BE WAITING FOR YOU IN THE PARKING LOT AFTER THE GAME!" yelled parents at that 15 year old ref, "We are going to TALK about this." It was disgusting. My daughter's league was reffed by the kids in the next level up. So 12-14 year old kids were calling the games for 8-12 year old kids. Unfortunately the older kids understood the game...but not so much the rules. One time...just once...I talked when I should not have. A kid from the opposing team LITERALLY ran over our goalie. Knocked her straight to the ground. Then they scored and I said to my wife sitting next to me "If they are going to let these younger kids call the games they should teach them the rules of the game." (This was after a few games of missed offsides and other small calls that it is good to teach the younger players. I get they aren't going to call everything all the time, but if you go a whole game and never call an offsides the kids never learn what they are doing wrong as players.) Anyway that one time one of the uppity ups from the league was behind me and said loud enough for me to hear but not directly to me "If people want to complain are the kids can volunteer to do the job." So I shut my mouth and realized I shouldn't say anything...until the next day when I realized I *should* have said something: I wasn't complaining so much about the kids or the volunteers but rather about the ADULTS who only cared about the upper/competitive leagues. they already were working with the younger kids they thought they could use at the next level. The rest were just objects for them to run around. Don't miss that at all. RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - Au165 - 08-07-2017 (08-07-2017, 11:39 AM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: I remember when my two oldest played soccer and watching other parents lose their minds. There was more than a few times a parent or parents would threaten the refs, coaches, other parents and their own child with violence. "I'LL BE WAITING FOR YOU IN THE PARKING LOT AFTER THE GAME!" yelled parents at that 15 year old ref, "We are going to TALK about this." It was disgusting. I walked out of the school once after a workout in the off season as a baseball game was ending. Two umpires were walking through the parking lot after the game and a parent from our school started accosting them. I walked over between them and told the gentleman he was making an ass out of himself and his school, and to walk away. He proceeded to ask who the hell I was and to mind my own business. I explained I was actually a coach for the school, albeit a different sport, but if he wanted to ever be allowed back on school grounds he needed to leave now. In another act of parent stupidity, I once had a parent shove me after forfeiting a match where his kid obviously had a concussion. To make things better he is a freaking cop and should know better. I am in my 8th year as a head coach at a high school, and to be frank this will be my last. I love coaching, but I hate the parents and the red tape that comes with it now. RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - Benton - 08-07-2017 (08-07-2017, 11:37 AM)Au165 Wrote: I have seen parents physically assault high school kids refing youth sports. This is just a different version of youth sport parents being an idiot. The topic of their stupidity changes, but the underlying issue is universal. (08-07-2017, 12:25 PM)Au165 Wrote: I walked out of the school once after a workout in the off season as a baseball game was ending. Two umpires were walking through the parking lot after the game and a parent from our school started accosting them. I walked over between them and told the gentleman he was making an ass out of himself and his school, and to walk away. He proceeded to ask who the hell I was and to mind my own business. I explained I was actually a coach for the school, albeit a different sport, but if he wanted to ever be allowed back on school grounds he needed to leave now. In another act of parent stupidity, I once had a parent shove me after forfeiting a match where his kid obviously had a concussion. To make things better he is a freaking cop and should know better. I've tried telling parents not to talk to the officials, but they think they've got to confront them. We've had an issue with one parent harassing other teams from time to time. Well, we were at a tournament last year where the a couple officials made comments along the lines of "we've heard about you guys" before making some really crappy calls. So a couple parents got together because they thought really needed to point out the injustices of bad calls during a youth soccer game, and they let the head official know what they thought. I don't think we had another call go our way the entire tournament. It was laughably bad... but it also was preventable (probably) if the parents had just shut up. On the flip side, officials can be pretty crappy too. Case in point, the girl I mentioned earlier is scared to touch another player for fear of getting a card. She had a side ref tell her once "If you touch any of these little kids you won't play the rest of the game." In 17(off and on) years reporting sports, I've seen several coaches get out of it because they just can't deal with the parents. It's a shame. RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - Vlad - 08-07-2017 (08-07-2017, 10:32 AM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/05/madison-girls-soccer-team-bristles-critics-who-say-players-boys/459741001/ Here we go again, an article written twisted in order to produce another class of victims. You're being subjective. There is not one line in this article that states grown men and women can't accept girls with short hair. This is obviously a very good girls team...A girls team so good that their short hair styles makes opposing parents and coaches to question their gender....that is the way this piece should be presented. Boys and girls at that age have similar anatomies. So which line states that in 2017 people don't accept girls having short hair? "They say, 'They're too good. They move like boys..." .... a Nebraska girl whose youth soccer team claimed it was disqualified from a tournament because organizers thought she was a boy. an opposing coach came up to Duffy and said it looked like she had boys playing for her team. "People have said they're afraid their daughter is going to get hurt playing against boys," RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - GMDino - 08-07-2017 (08-07-2017, 01:03 PM)Vlad Wrote: Here we go again, an article written twisted in order to produce another class of victims. Quote:Molly Duffy, coach of the team the last two years, remembers holding a meeting at which parents voiced concern about people commenting on their short-haired daughters. She took it with a grain of salt. Quote:In June, the 56ers were touched by the story of a Nebraska girl whose youth soccer team claimed it was disqualified from a tournament because organizers thought she was a boy. The girl, Mili Hernandez, just wanted to have short hair like Wambach. The entire article was about how opposing parents thought they were boys because of their hair. RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - michaelsean - 08-07-2017 (08-07-2017, 01:48 PM)GMDino Wrote: I don't think the part about thinking they were boys because of their haircut is unreasonable. How you handle it is a different matter. RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - GMDino - 08-07-2017 (08-07-2017, 02:01 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I don't think the part about thinking they were boys because of their haircut is unreasonable. How you handle it is a different matter. See I do find it unreasonable, but more because I hate sports parents who act like that in general and this gives me new fuel to hate them with. RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - Millhouse - 08-07-2017 To go with theme here, I go to a ton of nieces and nephew's soccer & basketball games. And more often than not, especially at my nephew's who is now 13, the most mature people there are the refs and the players. Way too many parents just acting like their little precious got the wrong call, or getting to roughed up, or coach isnt playing them right. Or in this case, the other team has girls with short hair. But the worst is the abuse the refs can take sometime. Sometimes it is called for, I will admit I have seen some bad refs out there. Most times though the ref simply didnt see it or it was too tight of a call to make. It's pretty crazy when you think about it. How immature parents can be. And the worst of it is you know the parents that do this a lot is probably passing on how they act to their kids by example. RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - Nately120 - 08-09-2017 If you spend 10 minutes enduring the parents at a youth sporting event you'll realize why the rest of the world wants to blow us up. RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - PhilHos - 08-10-2017 Just out of curiosity, which would you consider to be a worse offense: Thinking that a girl with short-hair is a boy and getting upset to the point of calling them out? OR Having your son pretend he is a girl and having them join a girl's sports team? RE: Madison soccer team endures criticism because players have short hair - GMDino - 08-10-2017 (08-10-2017, 11:14 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Just out of curiosity, which would you consider to be a worse offense: It would be worse to force your child to pretend they are the opposite sex just to play a game. It is still awful that adults care so much about a game that they "call out" girls with short hair because they are afraid they are being "cheated". |