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French Soldiers Targeted - TheLeonardLeap - 08-09-2017 Man, most of Europe sounds like it'd be pretty awful to be in for awhile now. http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/vehicle-hits-soldiers-paris-suburb-injuring-49108138 Quote: A man rammed his car into a group of soldiers near Paris, injuring six of them, and then was cornered by police in a highway manhunt - the latest in what's become a disturbingly familiar pattern of attacks targeting French security forces. RE: French Soldiers Targeted - Arturo Bandini - 08-10-2017 It's like saying America is under fire everytime a dude makes a mass shooting in an university. France is quieter than you think. RE: French Soldiers Targeted - TheLeonardLeap - 08-10-2017 UPDATE: Turns out he's an Algerian national named Hamou Benlatreche. He's a practicing Muslim with no criminal history and not on any watch list. RE: French Soldiers Targeted - GMDino - 08-10-2017 (08-10-2017, 11:54 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: UPDATE: Turns out he's an Algerian national named Hamou Benlatreche. He's a practicing Muslim with no criminal history and not on any watch list. So random crazy guy. Why does being a practicing Muslim matter then? RE: French Soldiers Targeted - TheLeonardLeap - 08-10-2017 (08-10-2017, 12:01 PM)GMDino Wrote: So random crazy guy. Why does being a practicing Muslim matter then? You're trying too hard. "Hey, I know Muslims have been running people over pretty frequently in this country, but what does this guy who accelerated and aimed for a group of soldiers being a Muslim have to do with anything?" RE: French Soldiers Targeted - GMDino - 08-10-2017 (08-10-2017, 12:07 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: You're trying too hard. (08-10-2017, 11:54 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: UPDATE: Turns out he's an Algerian national named Hamou Benlatreche. He's a practicing Muslim with no criminal history and not on any watch list. RE: French Soldiers Targeted - TheLeonardLeap - 08-10-2017 (08-10-2017, 12:22 PM)GMDino Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_attack Clearly his being Muslim was unrelated to the attack then, too... because if you don't have a criminal history, you clearly can't be a terrorist according to you. If only the rest of the world were as clever as you, GMD. RE: French Soldiers Targeted - GMDino - 08-10-2017 (08-10-2017, 12:30 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_attack If this person had ties to terrorists...he is a terrorist. I don't care if he was Muslim or Christian or Atheist. But by throwing in the religion of a man with no criminal history or on any watch list it serves only to forward the fear and hatred of an entire group over the actions of another member. RE: French Soldiers Targeted - PhilHos - 08-10-2017 (08-10-2017, 12:01 PM)GMDino Wrote: So random crazy guy. Why does being a practicing Muslim matter then? Maybe it explains why someone who has committed no crimes prior would suddenly commit murder. Just sayin'. RE: French Soldiers Targeted - GMDino - 08-10-2017 (08-10-2017, 01:05 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Maybe it explains why someone who has committed no crimes prior would suddenly commit murder. Because just being a practicing Muslim means that person is always a potential murderer? RE: French Soldiers Targeted - BmorePat87 - 08-10-2017 (08-10-2017, 11:42 AM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: It's like saying America is under fire everytime a dude makes a mass shooting in an university. American logic, man. A guy drives a car into a group of people and doesn't kill any means that any and all muslims are a threat. If a guy uses a legally purchased gun to kill 10 people, it's the university's fault for not allowing guns on campus. The US has a higher murder rate than all Europe nations besides Russia and Lithuania. Europe is the dangerous place. RE: French Soldiers Targeted - PhilHos - 08-10-2017 (08-10-2017, 01:09 PM)GMDino Wrote: Because just being a practicing Muslim means that person is always a potential murderer? If you've got some other reason why this ordinary, non-criminal would seemingly out-of-nowhere commit a terrorist act, by all means, share it. RE: French Soldiers Targeted - GMDino - 08-10-2017 (08-10-2017, 03:37 PM)PhilHos Wrote: If you've got some other reason why this ordinary, non-criminal would seemingly out-of-nowhere commit a terrorist act, by all means, share it. Bad day? Bad year? Mental issues? Mother was raped by a soldier? Drugs? Alcohol? RE: French Soldiers Targeted - StLucieBengal - 08-10-2017 (08-10-2017, 12:07 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: You're trying too hard. Every time we see a story like this it's always an safe bet it's a Muslim or migrant. It's a shame and as Europe allows these people to come across their borders they will always get this stuff. RE: French Soldiers Targeted - PhilHos - 08-10-2017 (08-10-2017, 03:44 PM)GMDino Wrote: Bad day? Bad year? Mental issues? Mother was raped by a soldier? Drugs? Alcohol? Got any evidence of this guy having any of that? Let's say TheLeonardLeap said: "UPDATE: Turns out he's an Algerian national named Hamou Benlatreche. He has no criminal history and not on any watch list but his Mom has a history of schizophrenia . Would you be questioning TLL's inclusion of his Mom's mental history? RE: French Soldiers Targeted - GMDino - 08-10-2017 (08-10-2017, 04:01 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Got any evidence of this guy having any of that? I have no evidence of anything. I was asked to submit any other possible reasons behind what he did. I did that. Maybe he just REALLY hated soldiers. Or people in France. His religion may have had nothing to do with it. Just like when the race of an officer is used in a shooting. People gnash their teeth and beat their breasts at the "race baiting" going on. Just doesn't matter to me. A terrorist is a terrorist. A criminal is a criminal. A person with a family history of mental issues is still guilty. A person who uses a religious ideology (or a political one) to justify their acts of violence is still guilty. But I can at least have a little sympathy for a person who isn't all there mentally. Although, thinking about that, that might include the overly religious also. RE: French Soldiers Targeted - TheLeonardLeap - 08-10-2017 (08-10-2017, 03:44 PM)GMDino Wrote: Bad day? Bad year? Mental issues? Mother was raped by a soldier? Drugs? Alcohol? Okay, here's what we can do. You give us the odds on the following causes of why he did it... Bad Day: Bad Year: Mental Issues: Mother Raped By Soldiers: Drugs: Alcohol: Muslim: We will then bet real money on it, based off of your odds, and you will pay off on those bets according to those odds when we find out why he accelerated and turned into a group of soldiers. Of course you'll be willing to give Muslim the biggest payout since clearly religion has nothing to do with it, and you are the one who provided all the other possibilities, right? - - - - - - My point is, just because they are possibilities, doesn't mean they are likelihoods. Pretending otherwise is silly. You know it's because he's Muslim. I know it's because he's Muslim. We ALL know it's because he's Muslim. It'd be a lot easier if you just stopped pretending. RE: French Soldiers Targeted - GMDino - 08-10-2017 (08-10-2017, 04:25 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Okay, here's what we can do. You give us the odds on the following causes of why he did it... One, I don't gamble...but thanks for the offer. Two, if he is Muslim that committed a crime that doesn't be he did it because he is a Muslim. I'm guessing that's where we are differing. Edit: I should add for clarity that I *do* understand that Muslim's commit crimes because of their view of their religion. That, to me, is still the individuals fault...not every member of the religion. RE: French Soldiers Targeted - PhilHos - 08-10-2017 (08-10-2017, 04:07 PM)GMDino Wrote: I was asked to submit any other possible reasons behind what he did.No you weren't. I specifically asked you if you knew of any other reason why this particular guy commited this act. You know as much about this guy as I do. You have no idea if any ot those responses you gave are legitimate. We do know he's a Muslim. And barring any other information that suggests otherwise, that's the most likely reason he commited this act. I can freely admit that most Muslims are peace-loving non-terrorists. But, I can also admit that there are a significant number of people claiming to be Muslims that believe in using terrorism to advance their cause. If a person commits a terroristic act and is also a Muslim, why is it so hard for you to accept that maybe this person did so in the name of his religion? RE: French Soldiers Targeted - GMDino - 08-10-2017 (08-10-2017, 04:43 PM)PhilHos Wrote: No you weren't. I specifically asked you if you knew of any other reason why this particular guy commited this act. Well no one knows why...for example: (08-10-2017, 04:43 PM)PhilHos Wrote: You know as much about this guy as I do. You have no idea if any ot those responses you gave are legitimate. We do know he's a Muslim. And barring any other information that suggests otherwise, that's the most likely reason he commited this act. See? (08-10-2017, 04:43 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I can freely admit that most Muslims are peace-loving non-terrorists. But, I can also admit that there are a significant number of people claiming to be Muslims that believe in using terrorism to advance their cause. If a person commits a terroristic act and is also a Muslim, why is it so hard for you to accept that maybe this person did so in the name of his religion? If a person commits a crime (was this a terrorist act because it was against soldiers or because he was a Muslim?) if a person commits a crime and they are a Christian and we know nothing else about them does that mean his religion was the cause? Or can we eliminate that factor because "I can freely admit that most It may be he was ideologically predisposed to commit this crime. Perhaps his twisted beliefs of his own religion led him to it. If so does that make it worse? Better? Does it matter? |