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EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - StLucieBengal - 11-13-2017 http://www.euractiv.com/section/defence-policy/news/eu-to-sign-joint-defence-pact-in-show-of-post-brexit-unity/ The Germans now getting their army. I can’t copy this properly and post the entire article. If someone else could I would appreciate. Thanks in advance. Quote:The Permanent Structured Cooperation, or PESCO, could be the biggest leap in EU defence policy in decades and may go some way to matching the bloc’s economic and trade prowess with a more powerful military. RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - Belsnickel - 11-13-2017 This does not create an EU army. This is a framework for cooperation among EU member states with regards to defense and security, allowing them to work jointly on projects that member states deem beneficial and a priority for the EU. Each military remains independent within its sovereign state. RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - StLucieBengal - 11-13-2017 (11-13-2017, 01:16 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: This does not create an EU army. This is a framework for cooperation among EU member states with regards to defense and security, allowing them to work jointly on projects that member states deem beneficial and a priority for the EU. Each military remains independent within its sovereign state. Under EU control. RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - hollodero - 11-13-2017 Yeah I can do that. Quote:At least 20 members of the European Union will next week sign up to a new defence pact, heavily promoted by France and Germany, to fund and develop joint military hardware in a show of unity following Britain’s decision to quit the bloc. My comment: Good. RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - Belsnickel - 11-13-2017 (11-13-2017, 01:21 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Under EU control. Only those units working on the collaborative projects. The EU will not just have control over the entire military of the member states. RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - Belsnickel - 11-13-2017 (11-13-2017, 01:24 PM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah I can do that. I usually ignore links Lucie posts, deciding instead to search for a source that is less editorialized than I assume has been provided. Interesting that this source lays some of the blame, for lack of a better word, as the feet of Trump. RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - StLucieBengal - 11-13-2017 (11-13-2017, 01:24 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Only those units working on the collaborative projects. The EU will not just have control over the entire military of the member states. For now. Don’t forget the EU was originally supposed to be only a trade union. Now they are forming an army. RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - StLucieBengal - 11-13-2017 (11-13-2017, 01:24 PM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah I can do that. Ofc you like it. You come from a weak country. You guys are used to laying down for the Germans The Brits dodged a bullet. RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - hollodero - 11-13-2017 (11-13-2017, 01:27 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I usually ignore links Lucie posts, deciding instead to search for a source that is less editorialized than I assume has been provided. Interesting that this source lays some of the blame, for lack of a better word, as the feet of Trump. Trump sure was a wake up call for Europe. Relying on the US is no longer a long-term solution, and it shouldn't be. (I know that the article's "blame" focusses on a different aspect, but this is the initial "blame" as I see it.) About Mr. Lucie, I have no idea what this is all about. If Germany does nothing to ramp up its own defense, Trump hands out bills with interest to Merkel. If Germany sets steps as demanded to be more independent of US defense spending, people like Mr. Lucie cry foul and promote allying with Putin's Russia to oppose a democratic country. Doesn't make too much sense, it's either this or that (and preferring Putin over European demoocracies doesn't make much sense in the first place). RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - Belsnickel - 11-13-2017 (11-13-2017, 01:33 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: For now. Don’t forget the EU was originally supposed to be only a trade union. Now they are forming an army. That is the prerogative of the member states to evolve the union as they see fit. And no, they are not. RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - StLucieBengal - 11-13-2017 (11-13-2017, 01:38 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: That is the prerogative of the member states to evolve the union as they see fit. A lot of member states are being forced into things now. Would you be In favor of allowing each member a referendum on EU membership? RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - hollodero - 11-13-2017 (11-13-2017, 01:35 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Ofc you like it. You come from a weak country. You guys are used to laying down for the Germans The Brits can't even get their withdrawal negotiations going. As it looks now, this will end quite badly for GB. As for me being from a weak country... that is true. As it is now, I prefer a joint European effort we can actually contribute to (we do not and that's a shame) to take care of us and our continent. Relying on Trump's USA is no longer a viable alternative for weak countries as mine. RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - Belsnickel - 11-13-2017 (11-13-2017, 01:40 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: A lot of member states are being forced into things now. Would you be In favor of allowing each member a referendum on EU membership? I think member states should always be allowed such an option, and they are by EU rules. RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - GMDino - 11-13-2017 We should let Putin and Russia handle it. I understand he and they are very trustworthy and better allies. RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - GMDino - 11-13-2017 (11-13-2017, 01:49 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I think member states should always be allowed such an option, and they are by EU rules. Matt the US should stay OUT of global affairs! Except when we need them to do things like we say instead. Right? RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - StLucieBengal - 11-13-2017 Gonna leave this here since it’s obvious to some this has been going on for a while . RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - michaelsean - 11-13-2017 I'm fine with Europe having a stronger military however it comes about. Isn't that what we've been asking for? RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - StLucieBengal - 11-13-2017 (11-13-2017, 02:40 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I'm fine with Europe having a stronger military however it comes about. Isn't that what we've been asking for? A German led European army? Last couple of times the Germans had a military it didn’t go so well for the world. The EU is just saving them time from conquering those nations. RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - michaelsean - 11-13-2017 (11-13-2017, 02:42 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: A German led European army? Last couple of times the Germans had a military it didn’t go so well for the world. It's not the same now as then. Our military is light years ahead of where we were in 1939 comparatively speaking. RE: EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity - StLucieBengal - 11-13-2017 (11-13-2017, 02:56 PM)michaelsean Wrote: It's not the same now as then. Our military is light years ahead of where we were in 1939 comparatively speaking. So bloc’s of nations forming armies is a good thing? I guess we have all forgotten about the USSR. There is no threat where an EU army is needed. The Russians aren’t marching into Europe. All this is doing to consolidating power under the Germans. And their patsies.... The French. |