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Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - GMDino - 01-14-2017 Eight years. They had eight years to "craft a plan" to replace the existing one. They still don't have one. For most of my adult life, whenever the GOP has total control of congress they have had no long term plan just one to keep saying they have a plan and hope people vote before they catch on. It's sad. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/republicans-obamacare-subsidies-233618 Quote:On their way to killing Obamacare, Republicans are leaning toward funding up to $9 billion in health care subsidies this year to keep the program afloat — even though they sued the Obama administration to stop those exact payments. RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 01-15-2017 The lack of a replacement for Obamacare after all this time tells you where their focus is or isn't. RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - Benton - 01-15-2017 That's what was frustrating about spending millions of tax dollars on Obamacare repeal attempts. They did it over and over knowing they didn't have a plan It was just hollow grandstanding. On the other hand, if they had come up with a plan, said this is our alternative, and then tried to repeal it, then ok. At least try to do your job halfway instead of just taking an 8-year vacation. RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - JustWinBaby - 01-15-2017 (01-15-2017, 12:48 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: The lack of a replacement for Obamacare after all this time tells you where their focus is or isn't. Or it tells you they didn't expect to win the Oval Office. Or maybe they actually do have a plan and the liberal blogs are ignoring it. I don't know, I haven't researched it but I don't let equally ignorant bloggers form my opinions. I am, however, willing to bet when Repubs eventually get around to voting on a plan that the "they don't have a plan" meme will be replaced by "their plan sucks' memes, or perhaps "their plan screws you" memes. The main difference between Repubs and Dems is that many people still think there's a significant difference. In either case, none of that matters. Results matter....and Obamacare was a disaster. RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 01-15-2017 (01-15-2017, 04:40 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Or it tells you they didn't expect to win the Oval Office. So you're unaware of the Obamacare replacement plan because it hasn't been publicized on all the liberal blogs you read? And Huffpo or Vox haven't told you the plan sucks, yet? RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - GMDino - 01-15-2017 (01-15-2017, 04:40 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Or it tells you they didn't expect to win the Oval Office. A friend posted a link late last night that Paul Rand has a plan, plans to submit it and it has been either "approved" by Trump or it was something trump said he would approve of. I need to find the link. RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - GMDino - 01-15-2017 Paul Rand's plan. First page anyway. RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - michaelsean - 01-16-2017 (01-14-2017, 06:29 PM)GMDino Wrote: Eight years. Contract with America was a plan. RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - GMDino - 01-16-2017 (01-16-2017, 01:17 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Contract with America was a plan. It was a talking point that lasted a few years. RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - Benton - 01-16-2017 (01-16-2017, 01:17 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Contract with America was a plan. https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/mind-gop-pussycats Quote: My colleagues Stephen Moore and Stephen Slivinski found that the combined budgets of the 95 major programs that the Contract with America promised to eliminate have increased by 13%. Republicans have gotten very, very good at naming things to drum up support. If they'd called it what it was — Contract to Increase Government to Support Our Campaign Supporters — it probably wouldn't have ushered in the next great generation of tax cuts for the wealthy and large companies at the expense of workers and small businesses. RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - Mike M (the other one) - 01-16-2017 I know it's hard to believe, but Trump announced he has a plan and that the Republicans probably won't like it, but he will get them to toe the line. I've been telling people that Trump believes in Universal Healthcare for a while now. RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - Benton - 01-16-2017 (01-16-2017, 01:57 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: I know it's hard to believe, but Trump announced he has a plan and that the Republicans probably won't like it, but he will get them to toe the line. I've been telling people that Trump believes in Universal Healthcare for a while now. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/16/trump-reportedly-insists-healthcare-replacement-will-have-insurance-for-everybody.html You could be right. I haven't seen anything discussing the cost though. If it's like his infrastructure plan, it's not going to happen. Lobbing Democrat ideas at a Republican congress without any support isn't going to get very far. RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - Mike M (the other one) - 01-16-2017 (01-16-2017, 02:18 PM)Benton Wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/16/trump-reportedly-insists-healthcare-replacement-will-have-insurance-for-everybody.html Numbers is what we are waiting on. But even so, I don't think it could get worse that what we already have. And don't dismiss the power to Twitter. He will shame Republicans that don't support his plan, just like he does with businesses that try to leave the US for greener pastures. And right now, no one wants to be on the shaming side. RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - GMDino - 01-16-2017 (01-16-2017, 01:57 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: I know it's hard to believe, but Trump announced he has a plan and that the Republicans probably won't like it, but he will get them to toe the line. I've been telling people that Trump believes in Universal Healthcare for a while now. Is this the same plan Rand Paul said he'll present? Nonetheless it will end up being Obamacare+plus and his supporters will think he repealed Obamacare. RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - Benton - 01-16-2017 (01-16-2017, 02:37 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Numbers is what we are waiting on. But even so, I don't think it could get worse that what we already have. Mitch McConnell could care less. Leahy will serve another 40 years after Trump is out of office. Hal Rogers has been considered one of the worst congressmen in the country, but since 1994 he hasn't gotten less than 74% percent of the vote. Nationally, for a while now, people talk about how crappy of a job Congress has done. And yet incumbents keep getting sent back. People complain about Congress... but never their congressman. That's one thing I don't think Trump understands. He can't shame a member of Congress into voting his way; they have no shame. And he can't get on the phone and pretend to be his own press secretary and say he "heard from a reliable source" that some Congress member was going to vote his way. But as far as the "worse than we already have," eh, I dunno. I've never supported either plan (although I guess mine would be closer to the Dems, in that I would go with the federal government negotiating an insurance collective that people can take part in if they want, which should make it cheaper since it would have millions of customers for inruance companies willing to participate). I don't like the Dems plan because it costs money (taxes), and I don't like the Repubs plan (Obamacare) because it forces people to spend their own money. RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - Belsnickel - 01-16-2017 (01-16-2017, 01:57 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: I know it's hard to believe, but Trump announced he has a plan and that the Republicans probably won't like it, but he will get them to toe the line. I've been telling people that Trump believes in Universal Healthcare for a while now. My understanding is that his plan is still relying on the market to provide insurance. That could be wrong, and I could be conflating it with other plans I had heard about, but that is what I seem to remember. Any of these plans where the government relies on the market for health insurance is going to fall flat. RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 01-16-2017 (01-16-2017, 04:19 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: My understanding is that his plan is still relying on the market to provide insurance. That could be wrong, and I could be conflating it with other plans I had heard about, but that is what I seem to remember. Any of these plans where the government relies on the market for health insurance is going to fall flat. Not is it universal healthcare. Where is the conservative outrage at another entitlement program propagating a cycle of dependency which they have to pay for these free loaders? RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - Mike M (the other one) - 01-16-2017 (01-16-2017, 04:40 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Not is it universal healthcare. Where is the conservative outrage at another entitlement program propagating a cycle of dependency which they have to pay for these free loaders? When it saves people money, tunes change very fast. If it is a Universal Healthcare, I certainly hope all members of Congress must use it as well. RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 01-17-2017 (01-16-2017, 06:15 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: When it saves people money, tunes change very fast. If it is a Universal Healthcare, I certainly hope all members of Congress must use it as well. How does anyone know it will save them money if no one has seen the plan? RE: Republicans move to spend billions on Obamacare — before they kill it - Benton - 01-17-2017 (01-17-2017, 12:16 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: How does anyone know it will save them money if no one has seen the plan?you have to pass the plan before you can know what's in the plan. |