(10-02-2020, 04:09 PM)hollodero Wrote: But you have to admit that the Proud Boys demonstrably did hear it the way fred described it. They're very visibly happy, made a logo and everything. Fred is not making this up.

(10-02-2020, 04:09 PM)hollodero Wrote: But you have to admit that the Proud Boys demonstrably did hear it the way fred described it. They're very visibly happy, made a logo and everything. Fred is not making this up.

(10-02-2020, 04:40 PM)PhilHos Wrote: If you're talking about the debate, yes. I'm not saying that his words are ALWAYS twisted, but when he goes out of his way to mention non neo Nazis and non white supremacists in saying "fine people" but people are still trying to say he called neo Nazis and white supremacists "fine people".

There's no denying Trump says some stupid shit. A lot of the time. But there's also no denying that people twist his words sometimes, too. 

(10-02-2020, 04:40 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As I've said: People with an agenda heard it the way they wanted.

(10-02-2020, 04:38 PM)PhilHos Wrote: The ones who weren't neo Nazis and white supremacists but also didn't want the statues to be removed.

(10-02-2020, 06:10 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The event was 100% organized and publicized by white supremacist.  I didn't see any others there.  Got any pictures of them?

There must be since Trump knew about them, right?

(10-02-2020, 06:35 PM)PhilHos Wrote: If you want to argue that there were no non-Neo Nazis in favor of keeping the statues up there that day, knock yourself out. The fact of the matter remains that Trump did not call any of the neo Nazis or white supremacists "fine people".

(10-02-2020, 06:10 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The event was 100% organized and publicized by white supremacist.  I didn't see any others there.  Got any pictures of them?

There must be since Trump knew about them, right?

(10-02-2020, 06:10 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The event was 100% organized and publicized by white supremacist.  I didn't see any others there.  Got any pictures of them?

There must be since Trump knew about them, right?

Quote:Trump’s defenders have seized on that line to argue that it’s false to say Trump praised white supremacists. But that requires a willful ignorance of who organized the rally and who attended it. Unite the Right was not some spontaneous demonstration, nor was it a big-tent gathering meant to rope in a broad coalition. It was plainly advertised as a white supremacist rally, by and for neo-Nazis. It was supposed to be menacing. And it was the only rally in Charlottesville that day (other than the counterprotests). There was no second group. The Washington Post’s fact-checker noted that “The 207-page independent review commissioned by Charlottesville…makes no mention of peaceful pro-statue demonstrators.”

“I looked the night before,” Trump said at one point during his press conference. “If you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.” The rally “the night before” was the famous tiki-torch parade, in which attendees shouted “Jews will not replace us”—not the kind of thing you can find yourself unintentionally partaking in. And Unite the Right’s support of the Lee statue was mostly just a pretext. As Vox’s Jane Coaston noted, “it is fascinating just how little the statue of Lee, or honoring Confederate veterans, seemed to matter to the organizers and attendees of Unite the Right.” Instead, promotional materials for the rally described it as an attempt to, for instance, “end Jewish influence in America.”

(10-02-2020, 04:35 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I did not know that. Hence, why I asked my question. 

(10-01-2020, 09:44 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: WTF are you talking about?

(10-01-2020, 02:50 PM)samhain Wrote: Hey, by the way, when your homeboys out in San Luis Obispo got into the shootout last week with that white supremacist guy, did you do all you could to stop it?  Did you tell them how distasteful it was to do violent things to far-right extremists?  I mean, there are people throwing stuff and spray painting at protests.  Who has time to worry when the right gets into shootouts with cops, amirite?  Just leave the poor 2A patriot alone and fight the real enemy, IE anyone on the left!

Wasn't it offensive for the media to characterize him as a Nazi?  I'm curious.

(10-01-2020, 09:44 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: WTF are you talking about?

(10-02-2020, 11:30 PM)samhain Wrote: The shootout that police had with the actual white supremacist last week.  As in an Aryan nation gang member with a weapons stockpile ambushed officers.  Put one in a wheelchair.  Probably a good dude, though, right.  Smashing libz and all.  Protestors bad, Nazis good, amirite?

Quote:White supremacist killed in shootout with San Luis Obispo County deputy

CALIFORNIA
by: Associated Press
Posted: Sep 24, 2020 / 08:27 PM PDT / Updated: Sep 24, 2020 / 08:27 PM PDT



Investigators gather near the shooting scene in which a man was killed by sheriff’s deputies after he shot and wounded a deputy in Templeton on Sept. 24, 2020. (Laura Dickinson / The Tribune via Associated Press)


A man killed by sheriff’s deputies after he shot and wounded a deputy in central California Thursday has been identified as a convicted felon and white supremacist gang member.

Officials say the man opened fire on deputies while hiding behind bushes after he ran from his vehicle in an unincorporated area just outside Templeton, about 5 miles south of Paso Robles.

San Luis Obispo County officials say the vehicle was spotted around 10:21 a.m. on a 101 Freeway frontage road by a deputy, who recognized it as belonging to a wanted felon. When the man pulled over, he fled on foot.

The suspect ran through vineyards to a cemetery, where he ambushed the deputies, firing multiple rounds from a handgun, according to the Sheriff’s Office.

The injured deputy was hospitalized in stable condition after being shot in the leg.

The suspect tried to flee after deputies returned fire, but deputies stopped him as he tried to return to his vehicle, officials said.

Authorities say they shot and killed the suspect, who remained armed.

His name was not immediately released, pending the notification of his next of kin.

However, the Sheriff’s Office said he is a convicted felon with an outstanding felony warrant, an extensive history of weapons charges and is a white supremacist gang member.

(10-05-2020, 01:12 PM)GMDino Wrote: But that was a month ago so I'm not sure that counts. 

(10-02-2020, 04:40 PM)PhilHos Wrote: There's no denying Trump says some stupid shit. A lot of the time. But there's also no denying that people twist his words sometimes, too. 

(10-02-2020, 11:30 PM)samhain Wrote: The shootout that police had with the actual white supremacist last week.  As in an Aryan nation gang member with a weapons stockpile ambushed officers.  Put one in a wheelchair.  Probably a good dude, though, right.  Smashing libz and all.  Protestors bad, Nazis good, amirite?

(10-05-2020, 01:12 PM)GMDino Wrote: this:

https://twitter.com/SirajAHashmi/status/1313115928910082049



But that was a month ago so I'm not sure that counts. 

(10-05-2020, 01:46 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Didn't you hear? Violence by white supremacists ended three weeks ago.



And aren't you shocked that SSF never heard a thing about it.

(10-05-2020, 03:24 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: If you're trying to say something then just grow a pair and say it.

(10-05-2020, 03:24 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: If you're trying to say something then just grow a pair and say it.

(10-05-2020, 03:46 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Yea, gonna come here and say you never dismissed actual white supremacists. I know the two of us spoke about the issue with the term being broadly applied to all alt-right groups while also recognizing the very real supremacist or nazi groups that do exist. 

(10-05-2020, 03:51 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Actually he is the one who says what he means.

Quote:All you can do is ask questions and then act like you knew all along what you were talking about.

So next time instead of asking a question that makes you look like you have no clue what you are talking about why not just grow a pair and say what you mean?

Quote:The little "question game" that gets played so much around here is tiresome.  It makes everyone waste a lot of time even figuring out what people are talking about.

(10-02-2020, 06:49 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Thank you for giving me permission to make my argument.

Now please tell me who Trump was calling "good people"?

I am sure you would not state something as a fact if you don't have anything to back it up other than "Trump can't be wrong!!!", would you?  Because right now that is all I am seeing.  And I don't buy that BS.

That even was 100% organized and promoted by white supremacists.  And from all the evidence I have seen those were the only people there.