(12-05-2021, 11:23 PM)Tony Wrote: Burrow is the most turnover prone QB in football.. I just can't get over that fact... He threw , what 5 least year? I think with all these weapons the Idea is they should be able to throw it all over the place and Burrow just isn't that QB. He needs balance... When Joe throws 2ints + a game this year they are 0-4... There was another stat when he has over 30 attempts they are bad too.. I can't remember the record, but it was bad..

(12-05-2021, 11:26 PM)samhain Wrote: Stangely, I think most of Herbert's sacks were on Herbert just as much as their line.  When he loses yards, he doesn't half step, he moves backwards and loses chunks.  

A couple of Burrow's sacks were on blitzes where he was flat-out dead to rights from jump.  So was the one where Tranquil came up the middle and Hill was MIA trying to double team a DL.  

(12-05-2021, 11:27 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Don’t throw 2020 in the Burrow wins loss column. We’re talking about this season. That 2020 team was horrendous and was asking Burrow to carry them with 40 attempts per game

Burrow’s only in his 2nd year. The o-line is bad. Everything will grow. Bengals are ahead of schedule. Burrow is still 11th in passer rating despite the interceptions. We’re all good here. The AFC is inconsistent all across the board

(12-05-2021, 11:27 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Don’t throw 2020 in the Burrow wins loss column. We’re talking about this season. That 2020 team was horrendous and was asking Burrow to carry them with 40 attempts per game

Burrow’s only in his 2nd year. The o-line is bad. Everything will grow. Bengals are ahead of schedule. Burrow is still 11th in passer rating despite the interceptions. We’re all good here. The AFC is inconsistent all across the board

(12-05-2021, 11:27 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Don’t throw 2020 in the Burrow wins loss column. We’re talking about this season. That 2020 team was horrendous and was asking Burrow to carry them with 40 attempts per game

Burrow’s only in his 2nd year. The o-line is bad. Everything will grow. Bengals are ahead of schedule. Burrow is still 11th in passer rating despite the interceptions. We’re all good here. The AFC is inconsistent all across the board

(12-05-2021, 11:19 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: How many people are saying sHerbert is going to take the Chargers to the SB (at any point in his career), right now?

(12-05-2021, 11:33 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Some folks are saying it, but as much as we can talk about Burrow being saddled by the Bengals organization, Herbert is playing for a franchise that is historically a non-factor and their only SB appearance was 27 years ago and is regarded less as their crowning moment and more in terms of "Well, the Steelers SHOULD have been in that SB!"  Oy, that's got to sting.

Other than the fact that they've beaten us twice in 2 years, I'm fine with Herbert and the Chargers being good.  We have a tendency to get sick of all the focus being on the Steelers and Patriots and so on, so the Chargers/Herbert being good is fine by me.  Do I recall correctly that Herbert was considered a risk or reach for the Chargers?  Other than being linked to Burrow via the draft class thing, I could see the appeal in a besmirched new QB trying to unseat the old guard.  

(12-05-2021, 11:41 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Chargers fans and blogs don't count.

(12-05-2021, 11:46 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Ok, so no one is saying it and now Herbert has a chip on his shoulder to prove that dastardly media wrong.  Look out, world!

(12-05-2021, 09:00 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Do I think 148 yards on 29 attempts is good? Hmm there’s that word again, Context.

Seems to me that was the game plan. 20-29 is a damn good day completion wise. And when the raiders have a d-line(max crosby) who can get to the qb with the best of them, you tend to get rid of the ball quickly for shorter gains.

Also, like we all saw that game, Joe Mixon was DOMINANT. And so was the defense.

All you have to do is game manage at that point. Just don’t lose the game. That’s all burrow needed to do, and he did it

You keep focusing on numbers and continue to ignore the workings of that game

(12-05-2021, 09:50 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Adding the "by a lot" seems like a stretch, but I'm open to hear the details.  But that could also be a knock against the Bengals as an organization.  Burrow outplays Herbert by a lot and still ends up losing by 19 points at home and having a crappy stat line?  Weird.

(12-05-2021, 08:21 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: His Oakland performance was fine. His Pitt performance was good. It doesn’t pop out in the stat book, so of course you could use it for your narrative.

Burrow played well today considering the pinky injury, and the first interception was completely Jamarr Chase’s fault.

The stat book puts that int on burrow, when we all know that was on Jamarr chase

(12-06-2021, 12:59 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: 20-29 is average for Burrow this year...and when you're throwing so many passes at or hehind LOS, your completion rate should he at least that high.

Anyways, you seem to be missing what I'm driving at in your sensitivity to perceived Burrow criticism, which is...


This is what I'm trying to drive at. How do we have 3 quality receivers who are inarguably better than Herbert's, yet our guys struggle to get open, while Herbert's guys were WIDE open.

IMO, it's scheme above all else. We're not fooling anyone. Chase shouldn't be completely shut down just by shading a safety in his direction...and if he is, why can't we find a way around that?

(12-06-2021, 01:58 AM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: He DID NOT PLAY WELL.

The opening drive fumble - on him. He’s fumbling a lot. Getting sacked a lot.

He has no pocket awareness.

Took 2-3 bad sacks today. Takes bad sacks every week.

Never audibles out of a bad matchup.

Forces plays and forces bad passes.

And no, I don’t hold the Chase pick against him. Obviously.

He’s absolutely regressing. You act as though Taylor just decided he was going to have him play a game manager role against LV. It became a necessity because it he was off.

He’s not some waiver wire fodder. He’s a good QB. Oftentimes very good. But he’s not a star and has some really concerning trends/habits that he can’t seem to shake, and they limit his upside considerably.

(12-06-2021, 02:17 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: The bold is just completely untrue. He won the Thursday night game against JAX with a big time audible. And that’s just one example. He’s very good at reading pre-snap defenses.

(12-06-2021, 01:58 AM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: He DID NOT PLAY WELL.

(12-05-2021, 11:32 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: This really can not be emphasized enough. We’re basically playing with house money this season. When you look at teams with young QB’s like the Bills and Cards it was year 3 when they really took a step forward. And those guys weren’t coming off major injury like Burrow was. Pleasant surprise this year. Next year big expectations. At least that’s how I see it.

(12-06-2021, 03:02 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: I already know what the argument is gonna be from kijana

“That was against the crappy Jaguars so it doesn’t count”

(12-05-2021, 11:52 PM)Destro Wrote: Hopefully Burrow can complete the season.

(12-05-2021, 11:32 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: This really can not be emphasized enough. We’re basically playing with house money this season. When you look at teams with young QB’s like the Bills and Cards it was year 3 when they really took a step forward. And those guys weren’t coming off major injury like Burrow was. Pleasant surprise this year. Next year big expectations. At least that’s how I see it.