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RE: Coronavirus - hollodero - 05-22-2020 (05-21-2020, 12:05 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Of course, off the top of my head, I've defended Hillary on Bengazi, Oh that is cool. I guess you also thought she did not kill Seth Rich. Not quite a comparison. I, for example, give Trump credit, very sincerely, that he did not start a war. I don't get to use that to prove everything else I say about him is fair and unbiased too. (05-21-2020, 12:05 AM)bfine32 Wrote: nor have I defended Trump here. Merely given my thoughts on why there's such an uproar. but I'm sure you think you're right. So you can collect your 10 zillion. Yeah, you do not defend Trump. You only relentlessly attack Trump critics on everything. You hunt for every possible exaggeration, every little terminology that might be constructed as over the top, evey bigger or even microscopical wrong in their posts. I guess you do so to show that Trump is just a normal president, like Obama, like Bush, like everyone, that just enrages the left because they are so biased and unreasonable. Never mind that I think this approach often fails on its face -- I also see it as a huge logical flaw, to think that by proving the left (or one individual person, often Dino) is unreasonable and over the top and exaggerating in one point or another makes Trump a normal POTUS. He still is not a normal POTUS. Eg. his whole handling of corona is inept, moronic and would be laughable if it weren't so tragic. There are lists of a million other unnormal and flat out awful things he said and did throughout his tenure and before. And even you finding someone going after him unfairly in one instance or another does not change that, that deductive inference is just wrong. And you permanently choose to die on that hill. Hence, you do not get to complain about being perceived as a Trump defender. I for one think you're captured in a conservative vs. liberal culture war, but sure so are others. I give you the credit you "demand" with your Benghazi example, for it's true, you do not follow every conspiracy and don't quite go down every "deep state" rabbit hole, which distinguishes you from most other "conservatives" really. Your disdain for the left, however, unites you with them. Which is why you always go after Dino, but almost never against those on your side that hammer outlandish conspiracy theories into their keyboards. ---- Specifically, I can guarantee that if the chancellor of my country had repeatedly promoted an unproven and explicitly unrecommended drug to fight corona, including "what you got to lose?" and doubling down by claiming he self-medicates with said unproven unrecommended drug, there would be an uproar in my country. Chances are chancellor would not be chancellor any longer. This is not a prime example of leftist exaggeration. RE: Coronavirus - Dill - 05-22-2020 (05-22-2020, 02:55 AM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah, you do not defend Trump. You only relentlessly attack Trump critics on everything. You hunt for every possible exaggeration, every little terminology that might be constructed as over the top, evey bigger or even microscopical wrong in their posts. I guess you do so to show that Trump is just a normal president, like Obama, like Bush, like everyone, that just enrages the left because they are so biased and unreasonable. Because Dino! Yes, that implies a kind of projection, acting out the behavior one imputes to others, but that cannot unite the projector with "the left" in this case unless "the left" really is defined by constant distortion of a not-really-all-THAT-bad Trump's actions, plus "forgetting" of the many many scandals under Obama. Fox left has always been FAR WORSE than Trump; and people lose sight of that when Dino posts every new allegation of sexual assault or outrageous lie tweet or disinformation about COVID-19 or abuse of power in plain sight, thereby normalizing and validating a "left" which now presents as guardian of decency and traditional norms appealed to by the Right two decades ago. Dino has turned your "Trump Tweets Thread" into a legitimate research archive into Trump misbehavior. Has to be some pushback. Somehow. So we get "because Trump" because Dino. And maybe "because Hollo," too, as no one so far has demonstrated your capacity for marshalling the concrete specifics of Trump malfeasance in every category, ranging from marital infidelity to pandemic disinformation to summitry. (05-22-2020, 02:55 AM)hollodero Wrote: Specifically, I can guarantee that if the chancellor of my country had repeatedly promoted an unproven and explicitly unrecommended drug to fight corona, including "what you got to lose?" and doubling down by claiming he self-medicates with said unproven unrecommended drug, there would be an uproar in my country. Chances are chancellor would not be chancellor any longer. This is not a prime example of leftist exaggeration. LOL Most certainly not! Es lebe Kakania! RE: Coronavirus - GMDino - 05-22-2020 https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/22/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-study/ Quote:A study of 96,000 hospitalized coronavirus patients on six continents found that those who received an antimalarial drug promoted by President Trump as a “game changer” in the fight against the virus had a significantly higher risk of death compared with those who did not. Again, it is quite possible Trump is lying or doesn't even know what medication he is on. RE: Coronavirus - CKwi88 - 05-22-2020 (05-22-2020, 12:48 PM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/22/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-study/ I really think he's bullshitting. I'll believe it when I see him pop a pill at a RE: Coronavirus - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-22-2020 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/republican-house-member-says-he-and-multiple-family-members-are-taking-hydroxychloroquine-to-ward-off-coronavirus-2020-05-21?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo Quote:U.S. Rep. Roger Marshall, who is running for the U.S. Senate, said he doesn’t have COVID-19 but is taking hydroxychloroquine as a preventative drug. His parents, siblings and wife also are taking the drug, a spokesman for Marshall told the Kansas City Star on Tuesday. There is zero scientific evidence hydroxychloroquine works as a prophylaxis against Covid-19. Marshall, a OB/GYN, had this to say about legalizing medical marijuana . . . http://local1082.rssing.com/chan-14735418/all_p396.html Quote:I’m not convinced that it’s medically proven . . . I’m going to be very cautious . . . I just haven’t seen enough scientific data to say it’s a good thing The height of hypocrisy. RE: Coronavirus - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-22-2020 (05-22-2020, 12:48 PM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/22/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-study/ “What do you have to lose? Take it.” Quote: For those given hydroxychloroquine, there was a 34 percent increase in risk of mortality and a 137 percent increased risk of a serious heart arrhythmias. For those receiving hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic — the cocktail endorsed by Trump — there was a 45 percent increased risk of death and a 411 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias. (05-21-2020, 06:40 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I've clearly said his touting of household cleaners was some dangerous shit, but this HCQ pimping really is not. There are folks out there that are sick and dying, with no remedy. Why are we mad if POTUS tells them there might be hope? Hmm, a 34-45% increased risk of death and a 137-411% increased risk of potentially fatal arrhythmias with or without azithromycin. I don’t know, bfine, still think the dangers are overblown? Holy shit! It’s almost like a federal drug agency responsible for the oversight of the safety of drugs with some credibility and credentials issued guidance on how potentially harmful drugs should be prescribed was actually looking out for the welfare of patients. Instead of selling snake oil. RE: Coronavirus - Belsnickel - 05-22-2020 (05-22-2020, 01:24 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/republican-house-member-says-he-and-multiple-family-members-are-taking-hydroxychloroquine-to-ward-off-coronavirus-2020-05-21?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo I'm curious. Given that there is no evidence, and certainly no FDA approval, for hydroxychloroquine to be used as a preventative medication for COVID-19 and a lack of evidence that it is an effective treatment, could doctors/PAs/NPs lose their license/certification for prescribing it incorrectly? RE: Coronavirus - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-22-2020 (05-22-2020, 01:53 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm curious. Given that there is no evidence, and certainly no FDA approval, for hydroxychloroquine to be used as a preventative medication for COVID-19 and a lack of evidence that it is an effective treatment, could doctors/PAs/NPs lose their license/certification for prescribing it incorrectly? Inappropriate prescribing is something which can certainly cause you to lose your license. But, this sort of board action would most likely start as part of a malpractice suit to gain the board’s attention for potential disciplinary action. RE: Coronavirus - GMDino - 05-22-2020 As far as reopening goes not one state has met the Federal guidelines and Trump wants everyone to open. Now, because he's starting to taste that desperation, he's falling back on the evangelicals and demanding that places of worship open. If they do not he will "override the governors".
RE: Coronavirus - 6andcounting - 05-22-2020 (05-22-2020, 12:48 PM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/22/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-study/ I don't think there's enough (if any) evidence to say the drug is effective at treating Covid, but there's also not enough to say it's more dangerous to take it. Right from the article it says, "The study, published Friday in the medical journal the Lancet, is the largest analysis to date of the risks and benefits of treating covid-19 patients with antimalarial drugs. It is based on a retrospective analysis of medical records, not a controlled study in which patients are divided randomly into treatment groups — a method considered the gold standard of medicine." So all this study concludes is that the patients who were so sick they were given an experimental drug died at a higher rate than those with more milder symptoms. We really can't conclude anything from this study because it's purely observation. Understandably, anything covid related is just observation at this point, but without a control group (or any consistent basis of who and why the drug was given to certain patients) we really can't infer anything. Did hospitals without enough ventilations given the drug as the only other option they had, and naturally had a higher death rate than more equipped hospitals? Did some hospitals give the drug any after positive tests? Did some give it just based on symptoms? Did some wait until positive cases got worse after a week? We have no idea of any of this RE: Coronavirus - GMDino - 05-22-2020 (05-22-2020, 04:30 PM)6andcounting Wrote: I don't think there's enough (if any) evidence to say the drug is effective at treating Covid, but there's also not enough to say it's more dangerous to take it. Did they try leeches? Perhaps a nice cup of chicken soup? Do we KNOW if in the heat of the moment they didn't just try to PRAY it away?!??! Without knowing absolutely EVERYTHING about everything else we simply can NOT even SUGGEST that Trump was being reckless in pushing an unproven drug that has shown to be even the slightest bit dangerous or taking it himself. Frankly I am appalled at the level of discourse aimed at a POTUS who shows such great personal courage! RE: Coronavirus - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-22-2020 (05-22-2020, 04:30 PM)6andcounting Wrote: I don't think there's enough (if any) evidence to say the drug is effective at treating Covid, but there's also not enough to say it's more dangerous to take it. False. Just forget about Covid-19 for a second. This drug has known adverse reactions that anyone who takes it is at an increased risk of developing just from taking the medication. That’s why there is a risk benefit analysis for every prescription and why the FDA and other medical organizations have issued their current guidelines while we continue to gather more data on its efficacy and safety for the Covid-19 indication. RE: Coronavirus - BigPapaKain - 05-22-2020 (05-22-2020, 03:48 PM)GMDino Wrote: As far as reopening goes not one state has met the Federal guidelines and Trump wants everyone to open. It's cute that he thinks he can override governors. RE: Coronavirus - BmorePat87 - 05-22-2020 (05-22-2020, 07:46 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: It's cute that he thinks he can override governors. Yea, I'm interested in knowing how he'd achieve that one. RE: Coronavirus - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-22-2020 (05-22-2020, 07:46 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: It's cute that he thinks he can override governors. Expect a rebuttal from the conservative state’s right fanatics in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . . never. RE: Coronavirus - samhain - 05-23-2020 (05-19-2020, 04:58 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: We're all going to die. I always seem to be shopping at the same exact time as one of those who like to pick up, scrutinize every single meat package on the shelf, prior to making their "final decision". That is a peeve of mine, even in times of non-crisis. Makes me want to shout in my sternest, most booming voice that I can muster, "Why must you, put your grimy hands on every effing package on the damn shelf??". I totally brought a jar of protein at my local supplement shop because I stood there reading the label with it in my hands for a few minutes. I didn't want it, just felt bad about picking it up and putting it back. RE: Coronavirus - hollodero - 05-23-2020 (05-22-2020, 10:55 AM)Dill Wrote: So we get "because Trump" because Dino. And maybe "because Hollo," too, as no one so far has demonstrated your capacity for marshalling the concrete specifics of Trump malfeasance in every category, ranging from marital infidelity to pandemic disinformation to summitry. Just to be precise, I never thought too much about the infidelity part. I'd put around 500 things above it. There's not much to add to the rest of your post. So sorry for being so brief :) others might appreciate that though. (05-22-2020, 10:55 AM)Dill Wrote: LOL Most certainly not! Es lebe Kakania! lol, I see you are accustomed to Robert Musil's work. So I guess you do know where that term stems from? RE: Coronavirus - GMDino - 05-23-2020 (05-22-2020, 09:50 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Expect a rebuttal from the conservative state’s right fanatics in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . . never. "Trump being Trump" "He didn't mean that" RE: Coronavirus - Dill - 05-23-2020 (05-23-2020, 07:16 AM)hollodero Wrote: lol, I see you are accustomed to Robert Musil's work. So I guess you do know where that term stems from? Yes, from you guys packing your Austrian Kaisertum and Hungarian Koenigreich together in one state and then the acrobatic phraseology to label it and address your leaders all proper. Back then. The Musil allusion was Just ribbing you a bit about your rosy assessment of Austrian politics and how you can count on even your "bad" leaders to adhere to norms. Order at home tsk tsking at the chaos beyond the borders. Really jealousy and sour grapes on my part, though. We should be better than you cuz we have way more aircraft carriers and movie stars. But we're not. RE: Coronavirus - 6andcounting - 05-23-2020 (05-22-2020, 05:05 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: False. You're right on this. I should clarify that there are known side effects and depending on your pre-existing conditions these side effects may put you at greater risk, but this is something doctors know and can control for this by making sure the consider how it will affect the specific patient in front of them. These are well known side effects that doctors have been accounting for when they treat their patients with this for decades. It may not be right for every patient, but my original comment was made under the assumption those treated in a hospital with this drug were under competent and ethic medical care of doctors. |