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RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - Millhouse - 08-14-2017 (08-14-2017, 02:33 AM)Passepartout Wrote: Really the President needed to come down beyond hard on Nazis and racists. More than that of North Korea. As it is happening in our backyard there. Doubt he will because he will never every vote he can scrape off the bottom of humanity if he decides to run again in 3 years. RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - GMDino - 08-14-2017 (08-14-2017, 10:52 AM)Millhouse Wrote: Doubt he will because he will never every vote he can scrape off the bottom of humanity if he decides to run again in 3 years. "If"? He's already running. He announced the day of his inauguration. That allows him to fundraise and hold rallies immediately. RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - GMDino - 08-14-2017 I'll just leave this here.
RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - GMDino - 08-14-2017 http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/14/investing/merck-ceo-trump-charlottesville/index.html Quote:Trump lashes out at CEO who quits council RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - Dill - 08-14-2017 (08-14-2017, 08:44 AM)Vlad Wrote: Isn't it special how these Antifa clowns mimic their Islamic counterparts. Liberals are so unfair. lol What about Obama and Islamic terrorism?? Why aren't we talking about that too? double lol. RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - StLucieBengal - 08-14-2017 (08-14-2017, 11:09 AM)GMDino Wrote: I'll just leave this here. Funny you post this..... he directly addresses how the Nazi's separated people much like the leftists do today. Pitting them against each other. Ofc you can throw in the white supremecists in there but do they even have any power? Leftists are stronger today and can actually affect people's lives. RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - GMDino - 08-14-2017 (08-14-2017, 12:35 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Funny you post this..... he directly addresses how the Nazi's separated people much like the leftists do today. Pitting them against each other. Well I suppose there is nothing that will keep people from defending Nazis. I tired. RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - StLucieBengal - 08-14-2017 (08-14-2017, 12:37 PM)GMDino Wrote: Well I suppose there is nothing that will keep people from defending Nazis. You should probably watch he entire unedited film and you can see he is talking about identity politics. Which is exactly what the Nazi's used. RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - GMDino - 08-14-2017 (08-14-2017, 12:56 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: You should probably watch he entire unedited film and you can see he is talking about identity politics. Which is exactly what the Nazi's used. Gonna say it again. I don't side with the Nazis. Apparently that is too hard for some people to say. RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - Belsnickel - 08-14-2017 (08-14-2017, 09:30 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Some of you will, predictably and sadly, equate this comment with support for the person who ran his car into a group of people, taking the life of one of them. That is, unfortunately, the state of discourse in this country. However, the latest, and of course rawest, example of political violence in this country should not blind us to what proceeded it. I hope all of you will join me and, as I once asked as the topic of one of my rare threads, condemn violence against anyone for speaking their beliefs, no matter how repugnant you find them. Yes, lets crack down on violent mobs of all sorts and lets stop pretending this problem is special or unique to one side of the spectrum or another. if you fail to do so, all of us, then you perpetuate what you claim to despise. I would agree with you, if that was what was happening. The Nazis, alt-right, white nationalist, white supremacists, etc., that came to Charlottesville were not there to exercise free speech on a political situation. They were there to incite violence. They came looking for a fight. The evidence exists in forum and blog posts, podcasts, social media, and their actions. They attacked peaceful demonstrators Friday night that did not pose any threat. They attacked clergy that did not pose any threat. They attacked many peaceful protesters. That was why they got shut down in the park and then they were fed to the wolves of Antifa out in the street. The group that had the car run into was coming back from a predominantly black neighborhood that was being harassed by a mob of the white supremacists. No altercation happened there, they were headed there only to show support and there was no violence other than Market Street, where the park lies, and on 4th/Water St. Well, during the day. In the evening there were roaming bands of these shitstains that attacked people in the city. They were not there to exercise free speech, they were there for violence. I abhor all violent groups, but I lay the blame for all of this at the feet of the Nazi scum that came to the city. We need to stop pretending that they are just trying to exercise free speech, because they are there to incite violence, nothing more. That's why they called this weekend a success on their websites. That;s why one of the leader, Weimbach I believe, is quoted saying as much to the Guardian. RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - Dill - 08-14-2017 (08-14-2017, 12:35 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Funny you post this..... he directly addresses how the Nazi's separated people much like the leftists do today. Pitting them against each other. ???? Is Trump a "leftist"??? whatever are you talking about? RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - Belsnickel - 08-14-2017 (08-14-2017, 08:44 AM)Vlad Wrote: Isn't it special how these Antifa clowns mimic their Islamic counterparts. Almost every single person in the hospitals from this weekend were counter-protesters. Almost all of them from the car being driven into the crowd of locals, one of them the son of a colleague of mine. The ones in that picture weren't responsible for the mayhem and violence. The people that decided to bring their hate to the community and drive a wedge between the people here are the ones responsible for it. You're being a Nazi sympathizer with this post. Flat out. RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - BmorePat87 - 08-14-2017 (08-14-2017, 01:45 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: That;s why one of the leader, Weimbach I believe, is quoted saying as much to the Guardian. Matthew Heimbach. 8 years ago he was just this fat loser at Towson University here in Baltimore who kept getting his white nationalist club shut down. RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - Belsnickel - 08-14-2017 (08-14-2017, 01:56 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Matthew Heimbach. 8 years ago he was just this fat loser at Towson University here in Baltimore who kept getting his white nationalist club shut down. That's him. After the violence, after the murder of a woman, he referred to Saturday as "a success." RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 08-14-2017 (08-14-2017, 01:45 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I would agree with you, if that was what was happening. The Nazis, alt-right, white nationalist, white supremacists, etc., that came to Charlottesville were not there to exercise free speech on a political situation. They were there to incite violence. They came looking for a fight. The evidence exists in forum and blog posts, podcasts, social media, and their actions. They attacked peaceful demonstrators Friday night that did not pose any threat. They attacked clergy that did not pose any threat. They attacked many peaceful protesters. That was why they got shut down in the park and then they were fed to the wolves of Antifa out in the street. In this particular incident I completely agree with you. My point is that this incident did not occur in a vacuum and the political violence has been going on for well over a year now. The only thing that makes this incident stand out in that regard is that a person lost their life. This is horrible, it was also bound to happen at some point given how things have been progressing. There has been a lot of violence directed at political speech of late and in far too many cases those perpetrating the violence have been treated with an insane amount of leniency. This only emboldens those who would engage in further violence. Like I said in the post you quoted, we agree this needs to be addressed, and in strong terms. If it had been addressed in strong terms when it began then very possibly this weekend's events don't unfold the way they did and that young lady would still be alive. RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - Belsnickel - 08-14-2017 (08-14-2017, 02:01 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: In this particular incident I completely agree with you. My point is that this incident did not occur in a vacuum and the political violence has been going on for well over a year now. The only thing that makes this incident stand out in that regard is that a person lost their life. This is horrible, it was also bound to happen at some point given how things have been progressing. There has been a lot of violence directed at political speech of late and in far too many cases those perpetrating the violence have been treated with an insane amount of leniency. This only emboldens those who would engage in further violence. Okay, I see where you are coming from. Sorry, still a little worked up about this situation. Usually you can kind of step away from things when something like this happens and take a break, but when it is so local, it infects your whole life and you get no rest from it. RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - BmorePat87 - 08-14-2017 (08-14-2017, 02:01 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: In this particular incident I completely agree with you. My point is that this incident did not occur in a vacuum and the political violence has been going on for well over a year now. The only thing that makes this incident stand out in that regard is that a person lost their life. This is horrible, it was also bound to happen at some point given how things have been progressing. There has been a lot of violence directed at political speech of late and in far too many cases those perpetrating the violence have been treated with an insane amount of leniency. This only emboldens those who would engage in further violence. One of the things that makes it hard to discuss this without coming off as excusing the behavior one particular violent group is that partisan conservatives tend to equate all against the Nazis as Antifa while partisan liberals tend to ignore any Antifa presence. Conservatives believe liberals have failed in the past to distance themselves from or disavow Antifa. It's almost like they want that to be a condition for any disavowing of Nazis/White Nationalists/Supremacists. Unfortunately in this case, the result is that a lot of people are writing off peaceful victims as Antifa, condoning the violence as "well, I'm not saying Nazis are good but was it self defense?" And of course, some, on both sides, are so utterly unaware of the sources of their information that I still see people pushing that 4chan bullshit that the Ohio Nazi wasn't the killer. RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - GMDino - 08-14-2017 And finally... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/14/white-house-response-to-charlottesville/564199001/ Quote:President Trump condemns white supremacists after Charlottesville violence Finally. RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - BmorePat87 - 08-14-2017 (08-14-2017, 02:11 PM)GMDino Wrote: And finally... But not before he took to twitter to attack a critic. RE: Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA - GMDino - 08-14-2017 (08-14-2017, 02:17 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: But not before he took to twitter to attack a critic. Yep. Probably took that long to get him to agree to read a statement and not ad-lib. But at least it was the right statement this time. edit: Of course from this point forward he will never say it again. He and his supporters will say he already said it so nothing else will matter. |