(02-21-2017, 01:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I said it was her supporters, not sure why you brought that point up again, unless you are showing how much we agree. Unless you are trying to stress the fact that a candidate is not responsible for the actions or his or her supporters.

So she never disavowed and only gave support after she lost. So there was no need to further build a base. Trump eventually disavowed the birther movement gave his support to Obama's citizenship too; does that not count?

What do I have to be mad about/ Seems folks that start multiple threads everyday about how POTUS sucks are mad and attacking. But I'm sure the liberal mind sees it diferently. Admittedly the working of such are a mystery to me.

(02-19-2017, 02:34 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Most likely because Cruz's father is a American citizen who came to America in 1957. If he had accused Cruz of being Cuban then that could be argued as racist. 

The birther lies were just like today's stories about Trump. Folks are not happy with the President because their values differ and just threw anything against the wall to see if anything sticks. 

This "Trump started the birther movement" is just silly. Hills and her supporters were bringing it up in 2008. Matter of fact there are articles that suggest it started as early as 2004. Trump first mentioned it in 2011 and I'm sure his goal was to de-legitimize the Obama's Presidency simply because of Political reasons. But it makes Trump sound like a racist if folks go with the narrative: "Trump started the birther movement because Obama is Black". I really don't give those folks credit at looking at much with an open mind. They're probably actually rational people, but the current event have them twisted.  

(02-19-2017, 03:42 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Any thoughts on Hillary and her supporters bringing it up in the 2008 race?

(02-21-2017, 01:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Trump eventually disavowed the birther movement gave his support to Obama's citizenship too

(02-21-2017, 02:42 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: It's stupid but these are the kinds of stories you get when you complain about someone else doing it and then outright lie about you doing it.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-golf-game-rory-mcilroy-235211

(02-21-2017, 02:42 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: In other news, Trump accused Obama of always vacationing and playing golf and said he would never leave the White House.

So far 25% of his term has been spent in Florida and he played a full round of golf this weekend. Golfing is obviously not a big deal, everyone deserves some down time. However, the White House attempted to downplay how much golfing was done. They initially said only a few holes before Rory Mcllroy revealed that they played a full round. The WH then responded by saying that he only meant to play a few holes.

It's stupid but these are the kinds of stories you get when you complain about someone else doing it and then outright lie about you doing it.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-golf-game-rory-mcilroy-235211

(02-21-2017, 01:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Thanks for telling me why I'm mad. No doubt I have flooded this forum with Threads expressing my anger. It has drowned out the more rational threads created here.

I have no idea why you put defending in quotes. Of course I'm defending him against these alligations of racisim.

Not one person would assoiciate Trump with the birther movement since 2012 until he annouced his candidacy and someone dug something he said a few (not quite 8) years back.

Here a synopsis of his cultivation. Let's all look at it with an open-mind:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-perpetuated-birther-movement-years/story?id=42138176.

He questioned it orginally because he thought he was going to be running against Obama. But you guys roll with Because he's racist; it sells.

(02-21-2017, 03:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Especially in the 'gotcha" society we currently live in.

(02-21-2017, 01:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Thanks for telling me why I'm mad. No doubt I have flooded this forum with Threads expressing my anger. It has drowned out the more rational threads created here.

(02-21-2017, 01:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I have no idea why you put defending in quotes. Of course I'm defending him against these alligations of racisim.

(02-21-2017, 01:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Not one person would assoiciate Trump with the birther movement since 2012 until he annouced his candidacy and someone dug something he said a few (not quite 8) years back.

Here a synopsis of his cultivation. Let's all look at it with an open-mind:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-perpetuated-birther-movement-years/story?id=42138176.

He questioned it orginally because he thought he was going to be running against Obama. But you guys roll with Because he's racist; it sells.

Quote:Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump acknowledged for the first time today that President Obama was born in the United States -- after years of leading the "birther" movement, casting doubt on the president's birthplace and fueling a raft of conspiracy theories.

Trump, in fact, refused to acknowledge that Obama was born in Hawaii even yesterday in an interview published in the Washington Post, more than five years after the president released his long-form birth certificate.

The real estate mogul repeatedly called for the President to release his full birth certificate and questioned the authenticity of the documents once he did so. As a presidential candidate, he has declined to say the President was born in the United States -- until today.

(02-21-2017, 01:56 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Got it. Go with he's a racist.

Just don't be surprised at the reaction when the wolf really shows up.

(02-21-2017, 03:41 PM)GMDino Wrote: Because time and again folks say they are "not defending Trump" when that is all they do.  Especially when they "didn't vote for Trump."

(02-21-2017, 02:14 PM)michaelsean Wrote: How do you tell the difference?

But it seems "urban poor" is just another name for black people so it goes right up there next to "black" and African American".

(02-21-2017, 10:14 PM)Dill Wrote: If you don't see the difference between saying "blacks need to get off welfare" and "urban poor would benefit from welfare reform" or the problem with using "urban poor" interchangeably with "black", then you don't want to go into politics.

(02-21-2017, 10:14 PM)Dill Wrote: If you don't see the difference between saying "blacks need to get off welfare" and "urban poor would benefit from welfare reform" or the problem with using "urban poor" interchangeably with "black", then you don't want to go into politics.

(02-22-2017, 02:07 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Why not? Would this lack of political correctness kill any chances of excelling in the field? You most likely meant you don't want to go into politics as a liberal. 

(02-21-2017, 03:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Especially in the 'gotcha" society we currently live in.

(02-22-2017, 09:21 AM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah well. It might not be the topic of utmost importance, but this whole vacation and golfing behaviour sure puts hypocrisy on a whole new level. There's really no reasonable way around it.

Then again, fans eat up almost anything these days, it seems. Won't last forever, though.

(02-22-2017, 07:23 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: In other words, you're a little, mini Trump. 

(02-22-2017, 09:21 AM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah well. It might not be the topic of utmost importance, but this whole vacation and golfing behaviour sure puts hypocrisy on a whole new level. There's really no reasonable way around it.

Then again, fans eat up almost anything these days, it seems. Won't last forever, though.

(02-22-2017, 12:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Does anyone claim that Trump had a monopoly in questioning a sitting President's vacation habits?

(02-22-2017, 12:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Politicians do it to each other all the time. This kind of points to the motivation of my left "end game" thread. They are digging themselves a hole.