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RE: Well.....Well....Well... - Dill - 06-27-2018 (06-27-2018, 04:55 PM)PhilHos Wrote: At no point should we even care about which side does it more, let alone actually try to find out who does it more. What we SHOULD be doing is putting an end to bad behavior, not figuring out which side is worse. An interesting difference of opinion then. However, I was not suggesting we simply figure out "which side is worse." I was suggesting we figure out if the bad behavior has causes, and whether it may be legitimized in party culture.That would be a step towards "putting an end" to it. If you understood me, but disagree, then you are saying we should not be looking at institutions/parties/party leaders to see if they could be part of the problem. We should not be looking for trends like increasing frequency to understand what might be their cause. In your view, how should we end bad behavior? RE: Well.....Well....Well... - jj22 - 06-27-2018 (06-27-2018, 04:52 PM)PhilHos Wrote: My thing is: so what if he bakes a cake for a gay couple to be used in a gay marriage? Does he think God's going to actually punish him for showing love and kindness to "sinners"? My thing is Christians serve people in prison who kill, rape, and molest kids. They serve people in shelters on drugs who have stole, sold their bodies etc. They even serve unwed moms, adulterers, divorcees etc... Why are they only picking on one sin and not the others? Who says one is worse? I haven't read all of the Bible, but did God rank them? Is it ok to bake cakes for everyone but gays? Because that bakery does. That's why you have to roll your eyes at some "Christians" picking and choosing what sins are ok to serve and which ones aren't. At least if they do that can they refuse to serve child molesters and rapist? RE: Well.....Well....Well... - fredtoast - 06-27-2018 (06-27-2018, 04:57 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Does it matter if they incite violence? They are a religion. Yes it matters. What if someone claimed their religion said it was okay to rape children? Religious beliefs are only protected when they do not conflict with the law. RE: Well.....Well....Well... - PhilHos - 06-27-2018 (06-27-2018, 05:02 PM)Dill Wrote: An interesting difference of opinion then. However, I was not suggesting we simply figure out "which side is worse." I was suggesting we figure out if the bad behavior has causes, and whether it may be legitimized in party culture.That would be a step towards "putting an end" to it. If you understood me, but disagree, then you are saying we should not be looking at institutions/parties/party leaders to see if they could be part of the problem. We should not be looking for trends like increasing frequency to understand what might be their cause. For politicians, it's pretty easy: get rid of them. Well, easy to SAY, I know. But, you want to get rid of bad bahavior? You de-incentivize it. Allow the negative consequences of the bad behavior to occur. IMO, trying to prove the "other side" is worse just a justification of bad behavior. RE: Well.....Well....Well... - PhilHos - 06-27-2018 (06-27-2018, 05:13 PM)jj22 Wrote: My thing is Christians serve people in prison who kill, rape, and molest kids. They serve people in shelters on drugs who have stole, sold their bodies etc. They even serve unwed moms, adulterers, divorcees etc... Why are they only picking on one sin and not the others? Good question. For certain programs, it's impossible to work on one sin, but in terms of refusing to serve people of certain sins, IMO, there's no good, Godly reason to refuse service of one sinner and serve another. Unfortunately, many Christians are allowing themselves to be led by bad shepherds so they will say and do what their LEADER wants not what God wants. (06-27-2018, 05:13 PM)jj22 Wrote: Who says one is worse? I haven't read all of the Bible, but did God rank them? I blame Catholicism. They were the ones that have some sins being worse than others. In the Bible, there's one sin that's worse than all others and that's the unpardonable sin or the blaspheming of God. Every other sin is considered a sin and all sins are considered bad. It might seem to us that one is worse than the other (like murder seems worse than lying), but to God, sin has no place in His presence and they ALL must be washed away. (06-27-2018, 05:13 PM)jj22 Wrote: Is it ok to bake cakes for everyone but gays? Because that bakery does. IMO, the only thing that should be called into question is the message put on a cake. If a gay person wants a wedding cake, then they should be served. If a Westboro Baptist moron wants a cake that says "Thank God for the Shooter" they should be shown the door. (06-27-2018, 05:13 PM)jj22 Wrote: That's why you have to roll your eyes at some "Christians" picking and choosing what sins are ok to serve and which ones aren't. At least if they do that can they refuse to serve child molesters and rapist? That's the argument that I see many Christians failing to adequately address and makes me wish they would just shut up and show God's love to EVERYONE. RE: Well.....Well....Well... - PhilHos - 06-27-2018 (06-27-2018, 05:20 PM)fredtoast Wrote: What if someone claimed their religion said it was okay to rape children? So then it's okay to not serve Muslims? RE: Well.....Well....Well... - michaelsean - 06-27-2018 (06-27-2018, 05:13 PM)jj22 Wrote: My thing is Christians serve people in prison who kill, rape, and molest kids. They serve people in shelters on drugs who have stole, sold their bodies etc. They even serve unwed moms, adulterers, divorcees etc... Why are they only picking on one sin and not the others? Who says one is worse? I haven't read all of the Bible, but did God rank them? Is it ok to bake cakes for everyone but gays? Because that bakery does. With the baker he would say he is participating in the sin. He would serve them anything else. Frankly it’s being afraid to step outside what you were taught and question the the way God is being presented. All powerful and highly irrational. RE: Well.....Well....Well... - fredtoast - 06-27-2018 (06-27-2018, 05:37 PM)PhilHos Wrote: So then it's okay to not serve Muslims? Muslims do not support support rape of children any more than Christians support killing firstborn children to get what they want. Trump has changed you Phil. You didn't use to be like this. RE: Well.....Well....Well... - bfine32 - 06-27-2018 (06-27-2018, 03:14 PM)fredtoast Wrote: What if sexual orientation is a protected class under a state law? Then we must appreciate the laws of that state; as long as it doesn't conflict with federal law such as religious freedoms. RE: Well.....Well....Well... - bfine32 - 06-27-2018 (06-27-2018, 05:13 PM)jj22 Wrote: My thing is Christians serve people in prison who kill, rape, and molest kids. They serve people in shelters on drugs who have stole, sold their bodies etc. They even serve unwed moms, adulterers, divorcees etc... Why are they only picking on one sin and not the others? Who says one is worse? I haven't read all of the Bible, but did God rank them? Is it ok to bake cakes for everyone but gays? Because that bakery does. There's a difference between serving a murder than there is baking him a cake with a knife in. Think about that for a few if see if you understand the correlation. As to ranking sins: He did come up his a top 10 and made one unpardonable. RE: Well.....Well....Well... - GMDino - 06-27-2018 (06-27-2018, 05:58 PM)bfine32 Wrote: There's a difference between serving a murder than there is baking him a cake with a knife in. Think about that for a few if see if you understand the correlation. You're correlation is the cake for the wedding assisted in completing the wedding like baking a cake with a knife in it would help someone commit a murder. Just when I thought it couldn't get any dumber.... RE: Well.....Well....Well... - GMDino - 06-27-2018 What happens when people are more riled up that the woman who lies to them daily can't get a piece of chicken than just about anything else? http://wset.com/news/local/west-virginia-man-charged-after-police-said-he-threw-feces-at-the-red-hen Quote:West Virginia man charged after police said he threw chicken feces at the Red Hen RE: Well.....Well....Well... - Nately120 - 06-28-2018 I can't wait until a democrat gets elected so we can magically watch it become patriotic to hate the government again. RE: Well.....Well....Well... - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 06-28-2018 (06-28-2018, 10:57 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I can't wait until a democrat gets elected so we can magically watch it become patriotic to hate the government again. And enforcing immigration law stops being equated to Nazi Germany? Let's please stop pretending insane levels of hypocrisy are confined to one side of the aisle. RE: Well.....Well....Well... - Nately120 - 06-28-2018 (06-28-2018, 11:08 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: And enforcing immigration law stops being equated to Nazi Germany? Let's please stop pretending insane levels of hypocrisy are confined to one side of the aisle. Exactly .The government knows better than we do.....for now RE: Well.....Well....Well... - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 06-28-2018 (06-28-2018, 11:18 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Exactly .The government knows better than we do.....for now For some. For others we're living in the beginning stages of the 4th Reich. I, for one, would really enjoy a return to the days where hyperbole was consigned to the lunatic fringe of both parties, rather than the standard for behavior. RE: Well.....Well....Well... - michaelsean - 06-28-2018 (06-28-2018, 11:18 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Exactly .The government knows better than we do.....for now I may be splitting hairs, but I think it's Trump and not the government. Trump is still thought of as outside the government or the establishment. RE: Well.....Well....Well... - Nately120 - 06-28-2018 (06-28-2018, 11:26 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: For some. For others we're living in the beginning stages of the 4th Reich. I, for one, would really enjoy a return to the days where hyperbole was consigned to the lunatic fringe of both parties, rather than the standard for behavior. Hyperbole sells. Give the people what they want. The customer is always right. RE: Well.....Well....Well... - GMDino - 06-28-2018 (06-28-2018, 11:08 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: And enforcing immigration law stops being equated to Nazi Germany? Let's please stop pretending insane levels of hypocrisy are confined to one side of the aisle. Exactly. we need to always remind the Democrats that they are as bad as Republicans. ![]() RE: Well.....Well....Well... - GMDino - 06-28-2018 (06-28-2018, 11:33 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Hyperbole sells. Give the people what they want. The customer is always right. Like "Lock her up!" and "Mexico will pay for the wall!"? |